One magnet no bearing Bedini motor

[jonnydavro]

Hi.Today i did some coil orientation tests and the coil seems to power the rotor in any postion and from positions which won't work with a standard Bedini.I made a vid so you can see what i mean.Regards jonny

YouTube - One magnet no bearing Bedini motor.Coil orientation test

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Searle

I'm just having a little fun with that Whip Mag run away scare. What's really exciting here is the mono pulse multi rotor effect. The Searle moter generator is in that catagory, but his invention is cumbersome and costly compared to the prospects your discovery leads to. You stated you were searching for a way to use both ends of the coil, looks like you found one and the middle too! The pulse coil appears to be brodcasting a magnetic field in all dirctions like a radio beacon. Any number of radios does nothing to diminish the strength of the broadcast signal. The principle is probably roughly the same here for this apparatus. The implications are quantum leap!

[Vortex]

jonnydavro shows coil orientation does not matter...
As you all can see from this video.
ECONOMY MAGNETIC MOTORS / Equilibrius Grid / Jon DePew
The magnets will all sync up and spin together.
One coil can power ?unlimited? number of magnets.
In possibly ?unlimited? number of levels.

I spoke about this once before here.

A test might be as jonnydavro has done, start a magnet on top of the coil
and then place it down at the side of the coil. Start another and place it
on the side, etc. Next would be to try them in a row so that the 1st magnet is powering the 2nd magnet... The 2nd magnet is not powered by being next to the coil.

Coil ... 1st magnet on side ... 2nd magnet on side of 1st magnet.

Just
Randy

[Jbignes5]

Dangit Jonny...

Every time I turn around you are on the cusp of discovering new quirks about this stuff! Awesome Jonny! Simply Awesome!

Now start throwing some coils into the mix and see if you can get anything usefull out of it all. Using multiple magnets would be ok but don't they have to be rotating the opposit direction from the first? Like gears or does it work the same as the original coil to first magnet?

Think of the posibilities here 1 coil running at low volts and even low ma current draw, 50 magnets spinning end to end each with a coil hooked to a bus bar collector. What does an air coil generate for current each... Hmmm this seems to good to be true.

Welp keep up the great discovering Jonny and the rest be looking forward to your next leap into the magnet mystery.

Hmmm vortex reminds me of something. The shape of the magnet might have alot to do with it. Think of it as a funnel on both ends no matter how you orient the original source it will continue to channel the magnetic force the same way causing it to continue to spin in the exact way that it was started, thru the centers of the sources of magnetic flux. In the case of the coil it is generated but the magnets it is a constant channel. You said you could power an led from a coil 8 inches away and it doesn't alter the magnets path? There might be something to this then. If you could work out the daisey chain of magnets. That would be one big magnetic flux field whirling away at even faster speeds then the magnets could ever do.
If you can get multiple mags running in a row then use your led detector coil to see the fields boundries and any anomolies it might have like external vortexes outside of the normal magnetic boundry. Hmmm I got to try this now lol...

[jonnydavro]

@Vortex.Hi. I think you maybe right and this is maybe what jondepew is doing but won't tell.I suspect it is.I was trying to think who posted the link to his vid so thanks for that.
From the experiments i have done,it seems the coil is at the centre of a magnetic bubble and if the rotor is placed within that bubble,it will spin.
Your idea of rows and chains of magnets is interesting and may work.These magnets are so strong that if i hold an other one in my hand a meter away,i can feel it vibrating so they certainly can have an influence on each other.Wether its enough to get another magnet spinning we shall see but every time i think something won't work and try it with this motor it works so i am taking a new approach with this motor and not thinking standard Bedini.Keep your great idea's coming as we are all in this together. Regards jonny
@Jbignes5.Hi.The initial tests i have done with my pickup coil show that this new rotor generates a much stronger magnetic field than the snake egg and this has reflected in like for like tests.With the snake egg,using the same pickup coil,i can light the led from 2 inches and with the new rotor 8 inches.This new rotor is also a lot more stable so the pickup coil has a much reduced disturbance effect on the magnet.
I don't know if you have seen some of my other Bedini vids but i have been interested in multi rotor Bedini's for a while and have only ever run 2 magnets of a master coil as each magnet operating off the master will trigger it and if they are not in sync they end up fighting each other.My solution to this was to use slave coils,that way there is no triggering issue here is a vid of my 4 rotor bedini so you can see the idea.This could be employed on this motor.But like i said to Vortex.I am taking a new approach with this motor so i will try anything.Glad your thinking about trying this.You won't be disapointed.Regards jonny
YouTube - Four Rotor Bedini Motor

[Jbignes5]

From your previous experiences.

You have to understand that this is not entirely the traditional bendini motor. You have stumbled onto a new approach to this concept. You proved it by noticing that no matter where you put the rotor, with your current setup, it works so now you have to adjust your thinking and go into new territory. I would go from the fact that this is something new! A new priciple that works with the new rotor setup you have. You have to start from scratch in your thinking in order to advance. Which I believe you are now understanding. Keep going and keep experimenting. You will find many more suprises I bet waiting to be discovered.
The reason that I brought up the subject of counter rotating magnetic flux fields is that might be the reason you were having trouble starting more then one rotor. It might work that way when starting other rotors with the same config off of the 1st magnetic rotor. Seeing that the new rotors are way more powerful it might be better to give them alittle more room and let them find thier own spot to rotate in the begining when adding more rotors to the setup. ^(coil)v ^(rotor1)v ^(rotor2)v ^(etc)v. Once you have found the sweet spots they should auto maintain them selves but that is just a guess for now. A better experiment would be to determine the spin orientation to the coil then try to figure out if they are in sync or counter spining with each other. Also one other reason they could be spinning so fast, compared to the output of the coil, could be because of the slingshot effect and the magnetic bounce amplification from outside the setup. If there is zero resistance to an external vortex it could concievably go way faster then the output of the coil which could be draging the rotor along minus the resistance on the rotor from friction and it's own weight. Thats why I suggested to use your led coil setup to detect any weird hot spots outside the normal fields this should make. Especially when you add more rotors.
Just a few more suggestions to try.

jbignes5

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Wind Chime Rotors.

I believe the very high spinning tube magnet R.P.M. is building broadcast strength into the magnetic pulse. The high frequency pulse energizes the coil and magnifys the coils power. I think a ring of long diametrically polarized tube magnets 6 or 8 inches long, perhaps suspended on swivals or just spinning with a ball on the bottem and a pin through the top, like Wind Chimes in a circle around the circumfrence might reinforce each other like the Equilibrium demo magnets, and allow for tall polyphase output windings. Milliwatts in Kilowatts out! My first thought was for a tube through the core, Jonny's discovery may multiply the rotors many times at no increased cost to input power. I believe the coil is generating free energy at this point.

[jonnydavro]

Thanks for all the great suggestions and idea's guys.I like the wind chime idea.El-tigre is doing something similar with a "top" rotor and reports good results so a stack of 6 or so would be an interesting experiment and then maybe multiple stacks.I better order some more magnets.I only have two Jonny

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Equilibrius grid.

Vortex refers us to the Equilibrius grid youtube video of Jon Depew. I think JonnyDavro is correct in his opinion that Depew is using a master and three slave coils based on Depew's other videos where he shows stained glass mandala patterns that conform to the positoning of the 16 spinner arrangement. Depew alleges he is way over unity and uses the term Broadcast Power in his video comment. Furthermore, if you look at his ¨Life force contained¨ video, a metal conductor sphere appears on a stand, just the right size to cover the spinning magnets. This is perhaps the new output collecter device he refers to! Looks like this guy has been there and done that. He is making an apparent attempt to comercially market an O.U. generator like Steve Mark, revealing only portions of his invention while keeping critical elements hidden. His secret is out now.

[kiwifreeenergy]

magnetic bearing

how about suspending the magnet in a circular halbach array as a frictionless bearing?, check out that thread,it gives a link to a supplier.

[el-tigre]

multiple rotor setups

how about suspending the magnet in a circular halbach array as a frictionless bearing?, check out that thread,it gives a link to a supplier.

Anybody got a scrap air hockey table? You could make multiple bedini tops from the pucks and suspend your coil or coils over the table. A quick jet of air will start the tops rotating (I can start my top by blowing through a straw a few times to build up starting speed) and voila, near frictionless tabletop multi rotor setup. Only potential problem will be tops may drift too close to each other and crash, but that is easily avoided by confining them with retaining walls (4 or 6" slices of plastic pipe) to keep them far enough apart. Better yet, use collection coils to keep them seperate and we now have a practical multiple rotor generator setup.

One interesting note on the top, I can run it with either a N-S or a N-N pole configuration. it does not have to be diametrically magnetized. Actually, it runs smoother in a N-N configuration and does not show as much eliptical orbit tendency and uses less power (very stable and smooth at 22ma & 15v) tops configured N-N should repel each other and no physical barrier would be needed to separate them, they should just self align in the optimum orbit around the drive coil?

The drive coil magnetic field may be better thought of as a doughnut than a funnel as mentioned earlier, therefore, you may want to experiment with a suspended coil and 2 or 3 rotors above the coil and 2 or 3 more below. My top definately operates best when oriented at the 10 oclock position compared to the coil. A three dimensional setup now seems possible and would permit more rotors operating at once. I suspect you can operate rotors in closer proximity vertically than horizontally because it takes much more magnetic force (closer proximity) to lift a rotor than to pull it sideways.

This is experimental science at it's best, keep on building, free energy or bust...

[Mark]

I just ordered (5) 1 x 1 inch with 1/4 inch hole grade 42 cylinder magnets for $22.00. I will see how these bigger magnets do! Thanks for the ideas guys.

Mark

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Magnetic levitation bearing.

The Mendacino moter has a magnetic levitating bearing with two ring magnets
on each end of a bic pen over two disc magents. The photo cell roter is cubical and induces a little wobble, but a round one should spin smoothly. Check out the youtube video. This appears to be alot cheaper then the Hallbach array.

[sigzidfit]

from out of left field again

Ya'll are reminding me of this now:
Jon's / EQUILIBRIUS GRIDS

Peace
PJ

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N-N

Anybody got a scrap air hockey table? You could make multiple bedini tops from the pucks and suspend your coil or coils over the table. A quick jet of air will start the tops rotating (I can start my top by blowing through a straw a few times to build up starting speed) and voila, near frictionless tabletop multi rotor setup. Only potential problem will be tops may drift too close to each other and crash, but that is easily avoided by confining them with retaining walls (4 or 6" slices of plastic pipe) to keep them far enough apart. Better yet, use collection coils to keep them seperate and we now have a practical multiple rotor generator setup.

One interesting note on the top, I can run it with either a N-S or a N-N pole configuration. it does not have to be diametrically magnetized. Actually, it runs smoother in a N-N configuration and does not show as much eliptical orbit tendency and uses less power (very stable and smooth at 22ma & 15v) tops configured N-N should repel each other and no physical barrier would be needed to separate them, they should just self align in the optimum orbit around the drive coil?

The drive coil magnetic field may be better thought of as a doughnut than a funnel as mentioned earlier, therefore, you may want to experiment with a suspended coil and 2 or 3 rotors above the coil and 2 or 3 more below. My top definately operates best when oriented at the 10 oclock position compared to the coil. A three dimensional setup now seems possible and would permit more rotors operating at once. I suspect you can operate rotors in closer proximity vertically than horizontally because it takes much more magnetic force (closer proximity) to lift a rotor than to pull it sideways.

This is experimental science at it's best, keep on building, free energy or bust...

*By N-N do you mean the magnets are polarized axialy from end to end,
rather then side to side as in the diametrical fashion?