One magnet no bearing Bedini motor

[Pirate88179]

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Bill

[jonnydavro]

Hi.Today i did a test using an aircore bifilar coil and a 6mm Neo sphere.The motor ran very economicaly on 1.4v@1.75mA and 2mA when lighting the led.I used a pickup coil to light an LED and i was also recovering the bemf from the relay coil and power winding.This was just a quick test to see if you could get such a small magnet to work so it's not pretty and the sphere is hard to see but it is in there spinning away and there are lots of places to make further savings starting with the elimination of the cardboard end stop which the little ball is rubbing against.I made a vid as i was suprised it drew so little current and here is a closeup pic showing the coil and cardboard endstop retaining the sphere.Regards jonny

YouTube - One magnet Bedini 6mm Sphere motor -1.4v @1.75mA

[el-tigre]

Jonny, you may have some luck reducing friction if you use a short glass test tube with a diameter that fits inside your coil. Spin the magnet inside the tube and lower both into the coil, that way you can experiment with the best operating location and elevation in the coil.

I have found that glass plates work well as an operating platform with the spheres. I have also been experimenting with stabilizing the neo sphere by placing a small piece of metal underneath the glass and the neo tends to hold it's location over the metal. You can't use too lare a piece of metal or it will stop the neo from spinning. I can get a sphere to sit dead still this way while rotating faster than my tach can measure so it's going over 100k rpm I guess.

[Lidmotor]

Top Charger

Well I went back to the "spinning top" idea to get things quiet again around the house. My screaming ball magnet didn't go over too well. I changed the circuit and made a new coil that is just a bifilar with 845 turns of 30ga on each winding. The coil is wound on a wire spool with little nails and epoxy for the core. The circuit uses a 2n2222. The top is partially levitated with a support arm that has a small neo attracting another small neo in the spinner shaft. It runs on 5 to 12 volts at 15 to 30 milliamps. The charger part is just a 1N4007 diode coming off the backend of the drive coil. I run that energy through a couple of paralleled white LEDs on it's way to the charge battery.
Here is the video of it------

YouTube - Lidmotor---TOP CHARGER

Lidmotor

[jonnydavro]

Hi.I think i may have made a bit of a breakthrough with this.I have been experimenting with Neo sphere's and i wondered if i could combine the very powerful cylinder magnet with the sphere's and you can.This is what i did.
I used the cylinder magnet as the main rotor and i placed small 6mm N42 sphere neo's into seperate plastic containers with lids.I found i could get a satalite rotor to spin from the magnetic field from the main rotor at a distance of 12" from the main rotor so that give's a 24" spin zone around the main rotor.I also found that i could stack them.I think you could spin as many magnets as you can get close to the main rotor.I only had 10 of the 6mm sphere's but after todays test,i have ordered another 40.I can also recover energy from the satalites witha pickup coil and i found that if you place a pickup coil between two pairs,they will share it so thats another bonus.
Here are some pics and a video.regards jonny.

YouTube - One magnet no bearing bedini motor with 10 satalite rotors

@El-tigre.Thanks for the suggestions.I will try them.
@Lidmotor.Thanks for shareing your top charger with us.I love the stability.

[synchro]

Satellite tubes.

@Jonnydavro. Once again Bravo for a thrilling first! This gave me an idea. How about enclosing the tiny 6mm neo sphere inside a clear soft plastic tube, that connects with next size OD couplings. Now, these tubes could be covered in spiral copper windings and stacked one over the other. The output coils could then be connected in series. Maybe 25 each stack, ten around for a total of 250. You are looping the input. An anology would be running water from an overhead storage tank over a series of water wheels. The difference is a switch runs the water back uphill. The pulse coil is already running close to unity, anything more would be all gravy. These units could wire into the smart grid planned for by the current administration, and supply a portion of our Nations energy needs.

[synchro]

@Lidmotor. Your new pulse coil adaptation of the Joule Thief circuit may be as important an advance as John Bedini's original. Congratulations on what may prove to be a really important achievment. Do you think it might be possible to double duty the Joule Thief coil to charge back to the primary battery by regulating the duty cycle and using the rest period to oscillate the transister for a charge burst, then switch the coil function back to efficient pulse? A Zener diode might do the trick, reversing the current at a higher back voltage.

[Vortex]

Hi.I think i may have made a bit of a breakthrough with this.I have been experimenting with Neo sphere's and i wondered if i could combine the very powerful cylinder magnet with the sphere's and you can.This is what i did.
I used the cylinder magnet as the main rotor and i placed small 6mm N42 sphere neo's into seperate plastic containers with lids.I found i could get a satalite rotor to spin from the magnetic field from the main rotor at a distance of 12" from the main rotor so that give's a 24" spin zone around the main rotor.I also found that i could stack them.I think you could spin as many magnets as you can get close to the main rotor.I only had 10 of the 6mm sphere's but after todays test,i have ordered another 40.I can also recover energy from the satalites witha pickup coil and i found that if you place a pickup coil between two pairs,they will share it so thats another bonus.
Here are some pics and a video.regards jonny.

YouTube - One magnet no bearing bedini motor with 10 satalite rotors

@El-tigre.Thanks for the suggestions.I will try them.
@Lidmotor.Thanks for shareing your top charger with us.I love the stability.

The initial spin-up of each magnet will burden the input source/coil ...
Once spin-up has been obtained, spin is mostly maintained via each magnet's
field interacting with each other and not by the coil/input source magnetic field. (As I see it?)

Is this multiplication of input force?

[Jbignes5]

Bravo Jonny!

@Vortex I would think it is a resonance effect once it attains syncro operation. This is what I was trying to get at because of the video of the magnets all spining off of each other on the bowls upside down. I can't remember the author of that video but it was shown that it could be maintained even if the original was powered the net gain from all the rest of the magnets should out weigh all the input once resonance was attained. even if the gains were very small it is still a gain and a whole room could be filled with cells that could generate massive results. I am thinking that the approach of where you pick off the energy is the key. Like angle or vectoring the pickup in order to least affect the source but maximize the gain to the fullest.

@ Jonny. I told you it was possible to do it! And you went out and did it. Not by doing the usual but by thinking outside the box and that is what is needed to find new effects and observations with this new tech!
Now all you need to do is find out how to collect the energy without killing the rotation of the magnets and walla you have an expandable power generation machine.
Now some questions:

Does your input get affected by any draw of generation coils from the satalites?
Have you noticed any speed changes with the change in the amount of satalites added or subtracted after syncronicity has been achieved?

[Lidmotor]

Charging circuit

@Lidmotor. Your new pulse coil adaptation of the Joule Thief circuit may be as important an advance as John Bedini's original. Congratulations on what may prove to be a really important achievment. Do you think it might be possible to double duty the Joule Thief coil to charge back to the primary battery by regulating the duty cycle and using the rest period to oscillate the transister for a charge burst, then switch the coil function back to efficient pulse? A Zener diode might do the trick, reversing the current at a higher back voltage.

@Synchro----Thanks for tip on the Zener diode. That might do the trick. I might be playing with this circuit for awhile to see what it can do. All the values of the components I just guessed at.

@ Jonny----Great idea with the multiple slave balls running to draw off more power----or suck it in? If the speed of the main rotor doesn't slow down and the amp draw doesn't go up when adding more mass in motion, then something really strange is happening.

Lidmotor

[synchro]

Circular tube generator.

Jonnydavro's most recent discovery gave me a new idea. A circular tube, rotating an internal sphere magnet, powered by a set of Bedini coil collars positioned at intervals around the tube. Between the coil collars, output windings could be wraped around the tube. Let's say four collars at cross coners and four large semicircular copper wraps in between. The tube could be evacuated of air, and the magnet sphere would really start to rip around the inside. Output would be directly proportional to magnet strength.

[jonnydavro]

Hi.I have managed to get the satellite magnets to self start and completly stable.(I have only tried 4 as i don't have any more containers but all 4 self started)I noticed yesterday that if i had a stationary satellite on the worktop within 7"of the main rotor,it would vibrate and then i realised it was spinning on the spot so i placed a pickup coil underneath and the Led will light to full brightness.I also tried the 6mm sphere's in toy plastic eggs and it works great.
Here is a vid and some pics.
YouTube - One magnet no bearing Bedini self starting stable satellite rotor test

@syncro.Thanks.Interesting idea's you keep coming up with.Your tube idea would probably work and it should give constant current.Keep em coming. jonny
@Jbignes5.Hi.Thanks for your kind compliments.I have done a test today which has convinced me that it is relatively easy to recover the energy.Have a look at my latest vid and let me know what you think.
Regarding amp draw.With just the main rotor spinning,amp draw was 8.5mA.When i added the 10 satellites it went up to 11mA but from what i can see,each satellite is well capable off lighting an led to full brightness. Regards jonny.
@Lidmotor.Thanks.I think syncro may be right.It would be interesting to know how your circuit performs with the snake egg rotor and also your high rpm sphere.Regards jonny

[Jbignes5]

dude you are on the way!

@jonny You got it now all you need to do is harvest all that magnetic energy that is around the main rotor! Coils and mini mags all generating current from a low current drawing driver circuit as you are employing. This must be exciting for you to break new ground on this major discovery. Think 3d now. Pull energy from every angle you can and pool it together lets see what kind of multiplication you get from the single source.
You have got to start doing numbers now. figure out how much you are generating vs. your costs.
The video has a good example of how the main mag is not generating the current as you take away the mini mag the led goes out and that is what I had suspected. The magnetic force from the rotor is only strong enough to affect the mini mag and not the coil. I wonder if you have discovered a new aspect about magnets and how two magnets can form a magnetic vortex with each other. The proof is in the pudding there in the video since the coil does not get energized when you remove the mini mag but still keeps the mini mag running. what i think is that the central segments of the magnets are the vortex conduits. Your discovery leads me to believe that the vortexes created from spining are in fact linking up together forming a mag drive, kinda like a flexible drive shaft used in weed eaters and such. Too bad we cannot view the magnetic fields like a camera and see how they interact with each other or how more mini mags affect the vortex strength per drive. One thing that I suspect you will come to is that only a certain amount of mini mags can be run at the same time due to saturation of the magnetic field of your original rotor mag. But more experimenting is needed to fully flesh out your limits.
But it is indeed exciting to see that you have made great strides in this new discovery and you surprise me every day with the new observation you provide us on this subject. Keep up the great work my friend and anyone else who has contributed to this subject. Bravo!

[Lidmotor]

Perfomance testing with capacitors

I did some testing on my TOP using supercapacitors and a small solar panel to see if these spinners can be made to self run by using just a small amount of solar energy each day. It is an interesting study. At these low amp draws and voltages it looks good.
Here is the video of it--

YouTube - Solar powered TOP CHARGER

Lidmotor

[Jbignes5]

Thats refreshing...

Lidmotor what a refreshing take on this subject. Not only should we be going in the more out then in but you have taken the efficiency to the next level. I do like the solar option seeing that if we can get more running on such little draw with a renewable source it would make it green to boot! Awesome job!



@Lid did you try the new way to run satalites on that? or is it too small of a field to link to?