One magnet no bearing Bedini motor

[Xenomorph]

Stable Spinner

@Jonnydavro:
Thank you so much for being so descriptive and illustrative with the satellite eggs and dish soap cap. The later works excellent !
Unfortunately i am not reaching the voltages that you do, so i need to error-source this, maybe my coil has a major short somewhere.
But when i hold it next to the main rotor it shoots up well over 20 Volt whereas my 2000 turn coils only show 6 or 7, so it seems right.

What wire gauge are you using?

Video: YouTube - StableSpinner

[el-tigre]

Satellite variation

@Synchro:

I am using N45 satellite rotors (magnet spheres). I think there is no stronger ones with that little weight (weight is important to have them move)

Gentlemen, I have experimented successfully with non shperical satellites and I think there is room to advance along these lines.

The apparatus consists of a test tube, glass (careful) or plastic, of a diameter that will fit inside a pickup coil.

At the bottom of the tube, affix a small disk neo. You can tape it or glue it to hold it in place on the outside of the tube.

Drop a cylinder neo (.25x 1" works well) into the tube that repulses the one you fixed on the bottom of the tube, so now you have a relatively frictionless magnetic support for the cylinder in the tube. It will work with the cylinder magnetized either axially or diametrically. (I suspect diametrically will prove out more efficient, please test to confirm)

Now move the tube containing the magnets close to your spinning rotor to start it rotating. Once it cogs you can back away and extend the distance out to the limit or your rotor field.

Now slide the tube with the rotating cylinder right inside the pickup coil and your generator is in production. Repeat as necessary to put the electric company out of business.

Benefits:
very easy to start, no flying/orbiting shperes, no dishes or cups or guide tracks etc., much larger satellites can be used, rotation is fast, rotation is totally confined in a small area, easy to orient pickup coils, many more satellites may be possible due to reduced space demands.

I have not had time to test generator output or optimize the setup so I hope some of you will pitch in here and test this out. I have even got a .25x.25x1 bar neo (diametrically magnetized) to rotate by sticking a couple of metal washers to the ends that fit inside the tube. the washers hold the square edges away from the tube and the whole assembly spins well.

I'm thinking that this setup will permit numerous higher power satellites to be manipulated with much better control and more compact pickup coil dimensions etc. Please confirm when able.

Steady progress, with all of us rowing toward the same goal...

[Xenomorph]

@el-tigre:

Please make a video for us, it sounds very interesting.
Mobile phone cam or photo camera cam is sufficient.
Too few people make videos here

A question to you:
Since the magnet you drop into the tube is no monopole per se. What makes you think that it will only be repulsed and not turn around and actually snap together with the outside disc magnet ? Can you elaborate on that?

Maybe i am wrong, but isnt the satellite speed somewhat tied to the main rotor speed as it is pushed with every single revolution of the main rotor a bit ?
So the stable spinners have the smallest rotation radius as they rotate around themselves which maximizes the speed. But even if friction is no issue anymore, i thought the satellite rotation is limited by the main rotor.
What do you think?

[Jbignes5]

well...

The rotation speed of the satalites is not directly linked to the rotor and here is why. From what I can tell the magnets can spin, two, three and even 4 times per main rotor spin. Depending on the distance between the two. As the 150k and 300k versions that run from within the coil it seems that when the threads cog together it seems to be whipping the satalite mag or the main rotor mag to higher spin rates. Since the magnetic field travels somewhere around the speed of light it would allow the spin to go faster between the threads or the source. But until i get my setup running I cannot confirm this. Is there a way to figure out what speed the rotation of the main mag vs. the coils rotation is? Or even figuring out the relation to the main mag and satalites would allow us to see if the mags are double or triple rotating compared to the others.This would definetly explain the shifting sounds from the 150k and 300k units. It would be an interesting experiment.

[el-tigre]

@el-tigre:

Please make a video for us, it sounds very interesting.
Mobile phone cam or photo camera cam is sufficient.
Too few people make videos here

A question to you:
Since the magnet you drop into the tube is no monopole per se. What makes you think that it will only be repulsed and not turn around and actually snap together with the outside disc magnet ? Can you elaborate on that?

Maybe i am wrong, but isnt the satellite speed somewhat tied to the main rotor speed as it is pushed with every single revolution of the main rotor a bit ?
So the stable spinners have the smallest rotation radius as they rotate around themselves which maximizes the speed. But even if friction is no issue anymore, i thought the satellite rotation is limited by the main rotor.
What do you think?

No time for a video today, but here are a couple of stills to get you interested.

Cylinder mag needs to be long enough that it can't turn and snap to repulsing magnet. i.e. length must be greater than diameter of test tube. I have actually run this setup, so it's not a theoretical discussion but longer or shorter cylinder mags may work better, still to be tested.


I agree satellite speed is dependant on main rotor speed, so I will argue that this type of satellite should be faster than orbiting spheres as they describe a much larger diameter during their roll around a cup. Maybe not so if spheres are spinning inside a pickup coil, however, this setup permits much larger/stronger magnets to be rotated inside a coil and so should generate greater output. This setup also permits infinite experimentation to optimize pickup coil location as satellite can be physically moved inside, outside, up, down etc. and keeps rotating, seems more difficult to manipulate shperes and keep them going consistently.

It cogs up and starts up easily just by moving it close to the main rotor, no hand spinning required, and the axially spinning field may be beneficial to generating higher volts as well, (not tested yet).

sorry, got to go back to work now...

[Lidmotor]

Retrod1 on Youtube

If you get a chance check out Retrod1's work posted on Youtube. He is generating over 70 volts AC and lighting up 30 LEDs off a 9v battery. The pickup coil is a degaussing coil. Very very impressive. Also check out the extremely simple bifilar that he is using on the Bedini circuit. He is working off a kitchen table just like me.
YouTube - retrod1's Channel
Cheers,
Lidmotor

[Jbignes5]

Very nice!

@lidmotor
Wow that is impressive. How come he isn't in this thread. That is one hell of a magnet. Can he run other satalites the same size off of it?

@el-tigre nice setup as well! So the big statlite works from the main rotor as well? Since I can see what you are talking about the tube setup is very nice. High Speed?

[Xenomorph]

@el-tigre: Thanks for the pic.

It is more clear now. I have not considered that the cylinder is inhibited to turn around by the tube walls.
You convincingly argue that this would allow much stronger and bigger magnets with the benefit of pretty much no friction.

I just made an audio analysis of the spinning satellite.
If i havent made a mistake, i would say that the tone developed by the sphere is at around 18 Hz which indicates 1120 RPM.
The main rotor had the same tone (even while it crashed into the microphone )
So i would go as far as to say that they actually spin at the same speed, if i am wrong with that then at least they spin at multiples of each other. The frequencies are identical, just difficult to determine the octave of it.

A tachiometer measurement is most exact of course, maybe Jonny can make it ?

So it has to be verified experimentally if this levitated cylinder satellite can reach higher speeds.

But the main thing is a stronger satellite will yield more output.

WOW I just checked out retrods videos! The larger flux permeation area is smart. After all the field of the main rotor fills the whole room hehe.

I hope he joins us here

[el-tigre]

@lidmotor

@el-tigre nice setup as well! So the big statlite works from the main rotor as well? Since I can see what you are talking about the tube setup is very nice. High Speed?

Yes, the neo cylinder in the tube cogs up with the spinning top and rotates very fast. When in rotation, it continues to touch the tube and the rotation looks like the original snake egg mags X shape orbit. A diametrically magnetized bar I tried rotates more upright. More experimentation required to see what is optimum.

I'm speculating this will be a good dc generator design because the single polar magnetic field can be made to follow an eliptical orbit right inside the pickup coil. (like stirring a spoon in a coffee, the handle does not get wet)

[jonnydavro]

@Xenomorph.Great vids mate,nicely done with the single AA @7mA.That is very very little power.
Ok pickup voltage.Wire size is very important for pickup coils,thick gets you more current, thinner gets you more volts.I am using 40swg which is a lot thinner than your 32swg so thats one difference.
My pickup coil spool is from a roll of plumbers PTFE tape,dimentions are 52mm x 20mm with the centre hole being 25mm.
Also try running your pickup and satellite on the surface and not elevated to the same level as the rotor and now thanks to you i rechecked my earlier voltage test and made a chance discovery.
This is what i found.This test was done at 2.8v,With the pickup coil conected to a bridge rectifier and then to the meter.
With the satelite 6 1/2" away from the main rotor.If i just place my satellite into the pickup coil it will generate quite high voltage,3.2v.See pic 1.
If i tilt the satellite slightly and move it around against the side you can find a position where the voltage starts increasing(7.31v) so then you wedge it in that position with a piece of cardboard see pics 2 and 3.If i move the pickup coil closer to the rotor the voltages will go up a lot higher.
So basically efficiency can be increased a lot more by reducing the friction in the satellites but i think its a combination of the things i have mentioned above.The voltage is there,you just have to tease it out.Hope this helps regards jonny.
Imageshack - nonadjustedpickupcoil.jpg - Uploaded by jonnydavro
http://img189.imageshack.us/i/adjustedpickupcoil.jpg/
Imageshack - wedgedsatellite.jpg - Uploaded by jonnydavro

@El-tigre.Thankyou for sharing your ingenious satellite design.This could be exactly what we need as friction is the enemy here.Thanks again Jonny

[synchro]

Lifter power.

@El-Tigre. Fiendishly simple soloution to the levitation snare, congratulations!

It occured to me that the hi volatge output from a group of high velocity satellite magnets inside cores of hi voltage output coils may generate Lifter leval hi voltage wired in series. The advantage would be the direct transfer of hi voltage into horsepower without the need for costly step down transformers. We may be witnessing the development of a free energy UFO
power plant.

Also, Eroutt has reported measuring faster magnet rotor than pulse speed in his levitation rotor experiments.

[Lidmotor]

SATURN MAGNET BEDINI---What???

I took my 1" neo sphere and stuck two 3/8" spheres on the sides. It worked!!
When it spins up it looks like Saturn with it's rings. I followed Xenomorph and Jonny's lead and got it to run on one AA battery. That was also to keep the the speed down for safety. It drove the satellite generator better. The circuit that I used this time was just a standard SSG but using a 2N2222 for the transistor.

YouTube - (1 ) AA--- SATURN MAGNET BEDINI


Lidmotor

[Jbignes5]

Very nice

@lidmotor Excellent video and experiment.

[Vortex]

If you get a chance check out Retrod1's work posted on Youtube. He is generating over 70 volts AC and lighting up 30 LEDs off a 9v battery. The pickup coil is a degaussing coil. Very very impressive. Also check out the extremely simple bifilar that he is using on the Bedini circuit. He is working off a kitchen table just like me.
YouTube - retrod1's Channel
Cheers,
Lidmotor

Retrod1 is using a degaussing coil as his pickup coil.
In case someone has access to a dead tv, then check out this
"Build a cheap degaussing coil"

Why does his degaussing coil pickup more energy than the other coil
see YouTube - One magnet no bearing Bedini / Davro motor - Load Test (3)... 20+ LED's . It is just that the
degaussing coil has more surface area (more wire) than that smaller coil
or is it the diameter of the degaussing coil or is it both?

[jonnydavro]

Hi.I have repicated El-tigre's satellite idea and he may have something here.First i tried a 25mm x 5mm rod magnet in a 75mm x 12mm testube with a small feritte magnet hot glued to the bottom and it span but rotation was rattle and a bit eratic but this may be due to having to much wiggle room.I then tried a diemetricaly magnetised bar magnet with similar results but without the small washers that El-tigre used so i will retest that when i can find some small washers.Then this morning i wondered what would happen if i used two 6mm neo spheres and boy was i shocked,this thing spins and not only that it levitates right to the top of the testube.I think syncro may be right and this is somekind of ufo drive.I have not done any other tests yet as i have only just found this out but i will.Here are a few pics and a vid.Thanks again El-tigre for sharing your great idea's.Regards jonny

YouTube - One magnet no bearing Bedini El-tegre satellite test
http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/144...esatellite.jpg
Imageshack - levitatingspheresatelli.jpg - Uploaded by jonnydavro