One magnet no bearing Bedini motor

[JohnnBlade]

[quote=Xenomorph;59395]@ Jonny: I have tried 2 rotors and a single rotor and i can in no spot around the
coil measure a negative amp-draw, which does not mean that there might not
be such a spot or phenomenon. How did you measure the current? With 1 ohm resistor or amp setting on multimeter?

I have also replicated the wire diameter and winding ratio that Gadgetmall is using and there is no feedback to the source occuring.
However it is really possible to run on 0.8 to 1 mA with this coil, which would have been impossible with my first coil.
This low current approach to self-running is actually not very useful, except when you wanna make a self-running toy, but i guess you would not be able to charge anything efficiently with a rotational speed of 200 RPM, because low amps means low speed always.

@JohnnBlade. Did you actually use that conrad spindle right as it is off the shelf or did you slam some new wire on there?



Hi Xenomorph,

i had 3 rolls of wire, 1 spool i totally unwinded
then i winded the 0.15mm and 0.20mm together on that empty spool
i could not use more then 105mtr (since the spool cannot hold more)

@All

i did some charging tests, and i have seen that my batteries can charge fast, its a selfcharging, but when my cap banks hits to like 2.72v and my batteries are about 2.69v my sphere stops. and this has been going since yesterday, when i disconnect the batteries, there is still 2.72v on the circuit, and i can run my sphere for about 1 minute on its own power.
when it stops running on its own power. i put the batteries back
the caps volts are 2.1v, and going up again untill it reaches 2.72v and stops my sphere again

i think in a way that my power gets bigger then the batteries whereby the circuit takes over and blocks the battery from giving some exra amps to run. so the sphere stops. i hear a click sound like its getting stopped by magnetic braking

Greets JB

[Xenomorph]

@Johnnblade:
Well consider that your 2 batteries canīt hold more charge 2.7 V is the max for 2 AA type batteries. So you would even need an additional device that consumes the energy that is fed back to much to the battery. I have read before, that people solved exactly this problem that way.
Have you considered increasing the voltage rating of C1, since it is going beyond its voltage rating and might even limit your output range? I assume thatīs where you measured your voltage in the video.

So you used the standard 0.15mm and 0.2 mm spools from conrad and wound them (bifilar? and how many turns approx.?) onto the empty spool?

And how many turns and what diameter wire did you put onto the PVC tube in the middle? Is that your L3?

[JohnnBlade]

Hi All,

@Xenomorph:

i have removed some parts from my circuit
i Removed: T2, C4, C5, R2 - the T2 was bringing the voltage down to 0.6v

@Johnnblade:
Well consider that your 2 batteries canīt hold more charge 2.7 V is the max for 2 AA type batteries. So you would even need an additional device that consumes the energy
I have been using an LED to take the load of the circuit but the battery drops about 0.04v and stuck on 2.64v and stays like that for a long time - i measured this directly at the batteries

when i remove the LED, the batteries voltage shows 2.68v.

when i measure at the begining of diode D2 the voltage is 3.12v stable

when i disconnect the Cap C3, and disconnect the charging + wire i get reading of 38v (and thats with a small halfdrop of sunflower oil) without sunflower oil i get readings upto 42v but my sphere makes more noice and the friction is also scraping of a layer of the sphere showing a black spot

L2 (105mtr - 0.20mm)uses about 4.8ma - at 2.68v - from T1 base to minus i measure between 0.07v and 0.11v, and from T1 collector to minus i get 1.7v-1.8v

Have you considered increasing the voltage rating of C1, since it is going beyond its voltage rating and might even limit your output range? I assume thatīs where you measured your voltage in the video.
i measured this with C3 disconnected, and + of meter at beginning at D2
and the - on the min of the circuit, i have changed caps, but this is my best sofare that i get, and also thanx to my smaller joule thief with finally a ferrite in it boosting it

So you used the standard 0.15mm and 0.2 mm spools from conrad and wound them (bifilar? and how many turns approx.?) onto the empty spool?
Yes i took the 0.20mm and 0.15mm and rolled it arround an empty spool
from an empty 0.20mm that i had. atleast i know that the 0.20mm had 105 meter and i used all of it, so the 0.15mm is also about 105 meters

from an older post:
i used 105mtr of 0.20mm kopper wire for L2, and 0.15mm 105mtr for L1 from Conrad
- i did not count how many turns but i think 1 turn is about 8/9cm (damn, i just calculated, and if im not wrong thats about 1312,5 turns - i think im wrong ?)


And how many turns and what diameter wire did you put onto the PVC tube in the middle? Is that your L3?
the core of the conrad spool is about 1.5mm, and my tube is about 1.3mm so i just placed enough turns on it to fit in the conrad spool core (i cant really remember how many turns but i think its about 100/200turns mayb even 300) the thickness looks like 0.2mm, or 0.25mm (i got it out of an old adaptor)

for L4 (joule thief, the mini inverter) i used the 0.20 and 0.15mm
on a 1cm high ferrite core, core is about 3mm, and i used about 46 turns to make it full (and i think inverters mostly use about 20/30 turns right ?)

i hope that i gave you enough info

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the sudenly stopping of my sphere has stopped it was pure that there was small ferrofluid in the tub that dried up, and when my batteries where charged full it made the sphere stop, but now i cleaned it really good, and only using small sun flower and now it runs stable and nice again.

also after running some time, and i disconnect my batteries, my caps can run my sphere for about 4 seconds untill all amps are gone


i will mak a new drawing of my circuit, i could not do that since my trial expired, so now ill be using the app that Johnndavro mentioned - thnx again Davro

ive added my old circuit as a reference, but now i have Removed the T2, C4, C5, R2

Greets JB

[JohnnBlade]

selfcharging Bedini works - new circuit

Hi All,

My Sphere has been doing good on my new circuit.
it an selfcharging and it works. i started this morning on 1.3v and solar
after 3 hours my battery of 1.30v was 1.37v (but thing is, you must disconnect your mutlimeter for it to work best)

i cant measure the amps while it runs on solar and 1.3v battery(my multimeter draws to much amps whereby my sphere stops to turn)
but i gues its about 2ma or 3ma

im also now using the the extra negative source from C2 and C1, to charge the caps C3 and C4 with converted negative power (is this Radiant energy ?)
when the amps gets to low on the caps C3, C4 the caps C2, C1 will charge the caps C3 and C4.

when there is no source or solar to run the sphere it will run itself, for about 6 seconds
the solar also helps to load up the caps C3 and C4

wihout selfcharging, the voltage on caps C3 and C4 is about 40 to 42v
on the extra negative source caps C1, C2 there is a voltage of about 8.04v

i have added my circuit, and sofare it works
but remember to disconnect your multimeters cause that will make it hot charge in a way, when no meter(s) it connected it will charge in pulses

also dont run any test LEDS on your circuit, when running on low amps
cause it will really slow down the loading process, and the sphere does turn slower

ill be makin a vid and some pictures with all kinds of measurement tests
but for now i can only show you my circuit that im using now and that works for me

the coil of L4 and L5 is 47turns of 0.20mm and 0.15mm on a small ferrite bead, and its acting as a small voltage amplifier


Keep up the great work all - cant wait to see yall next vids

Greets JB

[Xenomorph]

@JohnnBlade: I must admit that i donīt understand your circuits
Thatīs absolutely a good thing, you think much differently !

In my eyes you are short circuiting your battery, i am amazed that it does not instantly die. Check the arrows and the potential knots !

I will replicate your method, wanted to go the way of spinning spheres especially inside of the coil for a long while but i was too busy with too many projects hehe.

You take the energy off the emitter that might make it negative, but i am not absolutely sure about that.

[JohnnBlade]

@JohnnBlade: I must admit that i donīt understand your circuits
Thatīs absolutely a good thing, you think much differently !

In my eyes you are short circuiting your battery, i am amazed that it does not instantly die. Check the arrows and the potential knots !

I will replicate your method, wanted to go the way of spinning spheres especially inside of the coil for a long while but i was too busy with too many projects hehe.

You take the energy off the emitter that might make it negative, but i am not absolutely sure about that.

Hi All,

@Xenomorph: thnx for the notice of my circuit whereby i did not draw the line good enough, so changed the line so it will be better to show.
but sofare im using the negative wire and hooking up things in series thats makes it positive in the end

below is the correction circuit

i will be upploading some vids, so ill be back later to post the links to the new vids

Greets JB

[JohnnBlade]

Hi All,

i uploaded the vids, hope this makes it more clear.

YouTube - One magnet No Bearing Bedini motor Selfcharging and solar - and extra 8v - JB part 1 (youtube was only showing the 1e 1minute, while there was 3 minutes of vid, i will remove it and reupload it again untill its complete ) maybe this one is 3mintues + YouTube - One magnet No Bearing Bedini motor Selfcharging JB part 1A

YouTube - One magnet No Bearing Bedini motor Selfcharging almost selfrunning JB part 2

YouTube - One magnet No Bearing Bedini motor Selfcharging solar - almost selfrunning JB part 3


Greets JB

[Xenomorph]

That schematic is certainly better.
Excuse my critical way of looking at circuits, but i really sweep the diagram for potentials, so i understand whatīs happening.

It amazes me that after removing the transistor from the feedback line, that your sphere is not massively slowed down by Lenz drag as there is a direct and constant galvanic connection to the battery.

I will have the chance to analyze this better after i build it i guess

Can you tell me what voltage that 6800 uF cap has.
All my 4000+ uF caps are huge, i have not seen such a cap on your board anywhere. I wonder what model that is?
Maybe ill just replace that )

[JohnnBlade]

Hi All,

UPDATE: i uploaded a vid where i only run it on solar and caps
YouTube - One magnet No Bearing Bedini motor Selfcharging - selfrunning on solar JB part 4

i have also added an extra image of the big cap that i use for Xenomorph
and of the circuit

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Youtube does not allow me to reupload that other movie of 3 minutes
and i dont know why they shorten it
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if i can do some tests for you on my circuit, let me know



[quote=Xenomorph;59703] That schematic is certainly better.
Excuse my critical way of looking at circuits, but i really sweep the diagram for potentials, so i understand whatīs happening.

Its all good Xenomorph, im also new to this circuit drawings, cause im just only trying to draw how i made my circuit, its not like im first making a circuit drawing, i just keep on testing and measuring things


It amazes me that after removing the transistor from the feedback line, that your sphere is not massively slowed down by Lenz drag as there is a direct and constant galvanic connection to the battery.
what do you mean with "Removing the transistor", wich one ?


I will have the chance to analyze this better after i build it i guess
on drawing it looks like some complex circuit to me, while on the board its real simple, and easy to manage

i tested the negative cause my led was burning brighter hooking it up from negative to positive, while other way arroun the led power was less, thats how i came up on storing and.or reusing that power.

and when loading a cap in negative, you can take the output as positive
so that also makes it a little easier (Damn i wish i could do this like in Coding C# and atleast use IF Else statements in my circuit on how to handle power, and i dont want to use my basic stamp for this, otherwise it will be more advanced for a simple project )

Can you tell me what voltage that 6800 uF cap has.
my sony amplifier blew up few months ago and i kept it, so lately i took all the caps out of it, i dont know the voltage (maybe the 56 says something to anybody or maybe 50v since all caps in my amplifier where 50v) but i wrote all details on the circuit drawing
, but all small caps like the 25v, and 35v both 10uF i got with my basic stamp board, and they really help boosting and fast charging

All my 4000+ uF caps are huge, i have not seen such a cap on your board anywhere. I wonder what model that is?
Maybe ill just replace that )

for as far as i know, by testing, all bigger uF's shows lower voltage and good current, but takes long to load. when i want fast loads and fast reuse i use the smaller uF's and sofare the 25/35v 10uf are best for me
i got one of 50v 1uF, but that one is also kinda slow

im just only fine tuning the bedini for as far as i can with all tools i have
but its funn allong the way

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Greets JB

[Xenomorph]

@JohnnBlade :
What is the strength of the sphere you are using? N42? and how many mm diameter?

I have finished winding all coils and have to get it going now.
I am using a N42 6mm sphere.

EDIT: Never had such a hard time getting a circuit going.
I always have resonance, i tried 100 Ohm to 680 Ohm resistances.
680 ohm yields about a 4 mA draw on the battery like you described,
but as long as its in resonance i cant get the sphere to sustain its rotation.
have to figure out how to solve that.

[JohnnBlade]

Hi All, ,

@JonnDavro: nice work with yr sphere's, im seeing now that you are also starting your sphere's
with the stator magnet like im also doing
i gues now u only have to wind some coil arround your tube's
and start collecting allot of power


@Xenomorph,
for some weird reason the energeticforum DNS is down so i could
not visit this site, so i had to add the IP and domain in my host header file, so i can still visit this forum

this is part 5 of my BediniJB running
YouTube - One magnet No Bearing Bedini motor Selfcharging solar JB day 3 - part 5

@JohnnBlade :
What is the strength of the sphere you are using? N42? and how many mm diameter?
im using the smallest sphere, i think its N42 5mm

I have finished winding all coils and have to get it going now.
does your coil also looks like mine.

I am using a N42 6mm sphere.
i dont think that should be a problem, but its more on how u get it started
since im using a disk with magnets pointing north out

EDIT: Never had such a hard time getting a circuit going.
I always have resonance, i tried 100 Ohm to 680 Ohm resistances.
what batteries are u using, when i use non rechargeable it kinda starts faster, when i use fully charged rechargeable batteries of 2x 2300mah
i also get resonance, but in resonance you can start a sphere - but its harder, jusr hold another magnet over the coil and the resonance could stop
so i gues you have lots of amps, and also my tube is not all the way in the core, my tube is only about 2 or 3 mm inside the core of the coil (that way it made my sphere go faster and my caps loaded up faster)

680 ohm yields about a 4 mA draw on the battery like you described,
but as long as its in resonance i cant get the sphere to sustain its rotation.
have to figure out how to solve that.

also when a sphere is dry it can jump in the tube and stop, make sure you clean yr tube real good with water and soap, then take yr sphere in yr palm and drop small sunflower oil on it, then take the sphere with yr right hand and turn it a bit between yr thumb and finger so that all big oil goes of but the sphere is still covered in a small layer of oil and then place it in the tube

could you make some pictures or a vid of yr setup and how u start the sphere - so i can see and maybe help you out


sofare my sphere has now been running for 3.5 days on non rechargeable batteries, the non rechargeable batteries do get loaded while its running

ill make a vid of the long running sphere

Greets JB

ps: is anybody else having DNS problems, when trying to goto energeticforum.com ?

[Joit]

ps: is anybody else having DNS problems, when trying to goto energeticforum.com ?

I only had before 24h for a Hour Problems, but after that, all did work again.
Just Firefox is still a mess anyhow.

[jonnydavro]

Hi. .I have been having problems accessing this site too and i have had to use my internet providers proxy server to get access again.Ohh well.
I have had another look at my 6mm sphere motor and i made one change to the circuit which was i swapped the 10k pot to a 100k pot and it really flys.When it is running flat out with amp draw as low as 4-5mA,the base resistance totals 101100 ohms so the coil will be in ressonance and i think these sphere's are so small and light,they just go along for the ride .I was using 1.4v last time and i decided to up it to 6v and it went a lot quicker,then a tried 10.5 and it really goes so i am working up to maybe 36v to see if i can here a sonic boom or something. Does anyone know at what rpm's a 6mm sphere will go supersonic?
I also tried another experiment as i always try to use both poles of a coil and i tried to spin two sphere's at the same time and i was suprised at how easy it is to do and they spin really fast in sync so i am thinking off placing a pickup coil at each end so both sphere's can generate efficiently.As i am running the sphere's outside of the coil,this would seem the best method.
Here is a vid of my tests. YouTube - One magnet Bedini sphere motor.Single and twin rotor tests

I have also been doing a bit of work on the Negative amp draw i have been getting with the suspended rotors.The twin rotor and single rotor both produce this effect so i have devised a way of collecting this extra source of energy.Here is the circuit.
Imageshack - onemagnetbediniaddition - Uploaded by jonnydavro

I have stated how i think this effect is happening a couple of posts back so i won't repeat that but i will quickly explain the purpose of Switch s1.This just switches the motor off and if the suspended rotor is spinning really fast and is moved in front of the coil when S1 is open,the capasitor still charges.
@Jonnyblade.Thanks for you utube comments and advise.A lubricant is essential for this type of motor so i will do as you say.Regarding pickup coils.I think with my sphere's running outside the coil,a third winding may not prove as efficient as two standalone coils but it would be good to have all three ideas i think and see what happens.I am following your experiments closely and hope to try some out soon
@ Xenomorph.You really are a great help here and on Pirates new thread at Ou .I think its great how you take the time to explore everyone's idea's and share your own and not to mention the costs involved and time.Many thanks Jonny

[JohnnBlade]

Hi All,

im still bussy with my bedini marathon, and here is the vid
YouTube - One magnet No Bearing Bedini motor Selfcharging solar JB part 6 day 4

now its day 4, and non rechargeable batteries are on 2.64v
the caps are always loaded stable.

im going to test some new coils inc a tiny christmassball coil with aluminium foil and another tube coil.

@JonnDavro: No thnx my pleasure - it would be nice to see your main big rotor in the middle with like 10 tube sphere's with coil arround it
ill bet you will get allot out of it. i will also try to see if i can get/make a bigger coil pure for testing

@Xenomorph: how is your project doing cant wait to see yr vids

to everybody, keep up the great work


Greets JB

[CosmicFarmer]

So this is almost an official magnetic vortex machine... Cool!

Just wound a trifilar coil for use in one magnet rotor motor... Are we still using iron cores for main coil or is it all air core now? I was planning on taking the 3rd winding to radiant-pulse some CFL's, or at very least run a LED board. I think Lidmotor tried something like this, or was it you Xeno?

Hmm come to think about it, might be better to use a car coil in parallel for the CFL.

What do you think will burn out if I use a big 12 volt battery as source? Might need that power to drive the ignition coil, but I should give the low voltage option a try first.

For the solar, I have 2 6v panels at 35 mA. Do you think it would be better to use 12V 35mA or 6v 70mA ? 12 v is faster rotor, but might drop under load, while 6v would be more stable? Hmm.

I'm sure scaled up this would make an excellent magnetism museum peice, have a whole room spinning hundreds of satellite balls and little information posters everywhere with amazed kids asking their parents confounding questions...

Amazing work everyone