One magnet no bearing Bedini motor

[CosmicFarmer]

Hello all :-)

This thread sure is getting advanced... wireless power and free spinning magnets - it gets me excited!

I should have realized the plasma globe's potential for power because as a kid in middle school I would put a Hershey's Kiss wrapper on the top and tattoo designs on my skin with the electric arc from the metal. I know it wasn't safe and yes it hurt... but I was a kid ;-) No perm. damage!

Good work using this function for good instead of evil


Anyway, I came here to ask, "Does this waveform look right?"

I can measure from the collector to anywhere on the circuit and it looks like this (see below). I was trying to find the H wave and the wave looks... non H like. I use MJL21194 transistor and an old Bel Merit O scope. The magnet spins, battery charges, I get oscillations at high resistances... so I think it works O-K... So do you think that my probe, or my scope, is filtering out the top part? The max it goes is 20 volts per div, which is what it was set at, and if I was getting an honest pulse it should be out of range anyway...

Anyway, I just wanted to say Thank You to EVERYONE on this forum, for being such a good influence on my life.

Cheers!

[rave154]

Johnny,

fascinating stuff you have going on there., truely.

can you try a quick test for me?

have two "output" plates ( for want of a better term )....connected to 2 speperate loads ( your spinner and maybe some LED's for the 2nd load, whatever )...

arrange the 2 plates around the globe so they are say, 180 degrees to each other ( ie, far enough away so as not to be interfering with each other )....

measure the output on both loads ( voltage, amp draw, rpm if you have a meter ).... ok, now for the test....

arrange the plates so they and the globe are all in a line like thew following..

O | |

measure the outputs, if the output on the loads is the same, then does this mean that something "radient" is going 'through' the first plate into the 2nd plate?

obviously if the output on the 2nd plate goes down then obviously the 1st plate is blocking... try to keep the distance of the 2nd plate from the globe constant in both setups for consistency.

Thanks,

David. D

[sigzidfit]

mag-lev

Thought ya'll might get an idea or two from this:

Magnetic_Levitation

Peace
PJ

[jonnydavro]

@CosmicFarmer.Yep those plasma globes are great fun and can be used for some suprising things,one which you have already discovered but i think there are more suprises to come with these.
Regarding your scope shots,i think they are right.I must admit i don't know jack about scopes but if you look at this vid from utube,they are the same as yours just your scope isn't showing the rise and fall.
YouTube - Snake Egg Replication
Also i think lidmotor did some scope shots so have a look back at his vids and see what you think.
@rave154.Thanks.I will do those tests for you later this week when i get some time off.Funny enough i was thinking off doing something similar but using concentric aluminium circles around the globe to see if there is a transfer of energy from plate to plate.Thanks for taking an interest.regards jonny
@Sigzidfit.Thanks for posting that link.Quite a few people are interested in magnetic levitation and i think Lidmotor explored it too using hall effects.I am also working on it and may have something to show soon.
The magnetic levitation shown in your link is a bit different to designs i have seen as it uses two hall effects so like you say,this may give others ideas.Thanks for posting .Regards jonny.

[jonnydavro]

Levitating one mag bedini

Hi.This is my first prototype of a levitating one magnet Bedini motor.I have used 4 N38 25mm x 6mm disc magnets to levitate the rotor.All the magnets north poles face towards the left including the rotor and the only point of friction is where the rotor is in contact with the headstock.I think it may be possible to levitate it at this point by using a pepulsing magnet setup or some form of magnetic bearing but i will look into this.
I have taken this approach instead of powered coil setups as it is seems a shame to use power to levitate a magnet when we can do it for free using repulsion.Here is a picture and a vid of it running.Regards jonny

YouTube - levitating one magnet no bearing Bedini motor

Imageshack - levitaingonemagbedini - Uploaded by jonnydavro

[rave154]

Johhny,

NICE lveitation idea, i never thought of doing it "horizontally" so to speak.

Re - plasma globe, i never thought at the time of my last post, is that Don Smith has a plasma globe and drawing energy off it in one of his devices......have you seen this? if not, it could well give you directions to go in regarding your setup.

keep going man, good stuff indeed !

[CosmicFarmer]

With the levitating technology this opens up much higher frequency synchrony with the coil/magnet . (the magnet is allowed to spin faster). I like how this runs on such low power but that set up you have Johnny needs to get cranked and see how fast it can go!

I had a toy like this before
Toys from Trash

Do you think if you made a magnetic wedge for it to slip in, then you could do away with the point of contact?

Yes its cool, but maybe if the coil was housed on bismuth then there might be natural levitation? ..... That wouldnt be something you buy though. Bismuth coil spool. heh. I guess you would need a large chunk and carve away the room for the wire to go... and what would that do to the inductor? Good work, very interesting. Keep using that noodle.

[jonnydavro]

Hi cosmic.This type of motor has the potential to spin really fast.The levitation is very stable but you have to have a nice ballanced rotor for real high speed runs or it starts to vibrate though it remains stable.My rotor is made from a fibreglass pole from an old beach tent i had so is probably not the best thing to use but it was in my kitchen so fair game.
I too have a toy based on this principle and thats what gave me the idea.
Your idea about using a magnetic wedge is excellent and i think that it may work or maybe a magnetic cone or is there an of the shelf magnetic bearing we could use?Either way i think this is doable.
I don't have the facilities/skill to make precision stuff and use what i can find in my kitchen but a well made fully levitated version of this motor would be frictionless and look pretty neat too.Thanks for your suggestion.Iwill try it Regards jonny.

[synchro]

Turbo fan.

The resonance frequency between the battery and coil in the bedini circuit has been clocked at 3.5 Mhz. This is right at the C.B. amatuer radio broadcast frequency. I wonder if a C.B. signal would accelerate the magnet the same way as the coil resonant frequency signal does? Charging appears to abate with speed, but a magnet shaft turbo fan would not loose it's traction. Jet turbo fans can climb to 120K rpm and toy models to 25 thousand per minuite. How does a balanced turbo fan with a diametrically magnatised shaft sound? Imagine generating thousands of pounds of thrust off coil resonance instead of burning all that jet fuel. The coil is outputting a full sine wave at 3.5 Mhz, but it's not a point localised energy like the magnetic power pulse. It's being driven by radio waves which propagate directionally uniform in all points surrounding the broadcast signal. The horsepower in thrust from a turbo fan should be many times over what the tank circuit pulls in sustaining amperage. I plan to start testing in the near future.

[citfta]

CB and amateur radio

Hi synchro,


Please do not confuse amateur radio with C.B. radio. they are not anything alike. Hams have to study and take a test and get a license before they can operate a transmitter. Any one can get a C.B. radio and just start talking. Also C.B. operates at 27 Mhz not 3.5 Mhz. There is an amateur band that starts at 3.5 Mhz and continues to 4.0 Mhz. Hams can use frequencies from 1.8 Mhz all the way up into the Ghz region. They also use transmitters with power outputs from a few milliwatts to 2 kilowatts. I hope you don't mind me correcting you a little, but there are a lot of people that don't know the difference between amateur radio operators and CB'ers. citfta

[synchro]

CB and Ham.

Thanks for clearing that up. Technically, the bedini in resonance operator is running a ham radio without a license. I wonder if a 3.5 mhz broadcast signal from a short wave ¨Ham¨transmitter with the antenna connected to a degauser coile like Retrod1's signal generator, would induce the same kind of super acceleration in a spinning magnet that the Bedini bifilar in resonance does? This might allow one to splice the broadcast degauser antenna and run multiple units off the same broadcast signal!

[citfta]

3.5 Mhz ham signal

Well the kind of signal hams usually use on 3.5 Mhz would probably not help much because they are not steady signals. Ham on this band usually use single side band transmitters or CW (code) transmitters. Both types of signals are continually going on and off. On the 1.8 Mhz band some hams use an AM signal which is just like the signal you hear on the AM radio band. If you could tune one of these signals in you maybe could use it. You also have to consider that hams are talking to one another so when one ham finishes what he is saying then the other ham will start talking so even on an AM signal the signal will be starting and stopping. Hopes this helps some. citfta

[Cherryman]

Hi cosmic.This type of motor has the potential to spin really fast.The levitation is very stable but you have to have a nice ballanced rotor for real high speed runs or it starts to vibrate though it remains stable.My rotor is made from a fibreglass pole from an old beach tent i had so is probably not the best thing to use but it was in my kitchen so fair game.
I too have a toy based on this principle and thats what gave me the idea.
Your idea about using a magnetic wedge is excellent and i think that it may work or maybe a magnetic cone or is there an of the shelf magnetic bearing we could use?Either way i think this is doable.
I don't have the facilities/skill to make precision stuff and use what i can find in my kitchen but a well made fully levitated version of this motor would be frictionless and look pretty neat too.Thanks for your suggestion.Iwill try it Regards jonny.

Hi Jonny, Did you think of using 2 repelling magnets at the friction point. One on the axes endpoint and one against the support. Then you have no contact at all.

Good work!

[synchro]

Radio wave magnet spin.

Those thoughts on the AM broacast signal got me to imagine powering magnets from a comercial system, or perhaps satellite with repeaters attached to the degauser coils. A satellite reciever could be coded like XM and make a power company profit. An array of power frequencies could be offered with perhaps lower start up types.

[Bodkins]

Hello all :-)

This thread sure is getting advanced... wireless power and free spinning magnets - it gets me excited!

I should have realized the plasma globe's potential for power because as a kid in middle school I would put a Hershey's Kiss wrapper on the top and tattoo designs on my skin with the electric arc from the metal. I know it wasn't safe and yes it hurt... but I was a kid ;-) No perm. damage!

Good work using this function for good instead of evil


Anyway, I came here to ask, "Does this waveform look right?"

I can measure from the collector to anywhere on the circuit and it looks like this (see below). I was trying to find the H wave and the wave looks... non H like. I use MJL21194 transistor and an old Bel Merit O scope. The magnet spins, battery charges, I get oscillations at high resistances... so I think it works O-K... So do you think that my probe, or my scope, is filtering out the top part? The max it goes is 20 volts per div, which is what it was set at, and if I was getting an honest pulse it should be out of range anyway...

Anyway, I just wanted to say Thank You to EVERYONE on this forum, for being such a good influence on my life.

Cheers!

brother
if you disconect the charge battery you will see the spike go off the scope, at the moment its going into the battery!