One magnet no bearing Bedini motor

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Spiral torus.

I wraped the bi-conductor speaker wire three different ways: The first was too big a spiral loop and failed with a 6 1/2" I.D. but worked fine with a bobtail cinched off to form a tighter loop; The second one was wraped like a normal toroid, barrel wound, and failed all together. The third torus was spiral wraped again, only with a smaller I.D. of 2 5/8". I just set a new record with the third coil of 25.2K r.p.m. I am sure I can get it spinning even faster with more trials! This one just looks like a big doughnut, but I'm ready to challenge Marco to a contest.

I don't believe leaving space between the wraps does anything to increase the power of the magnetic field inside the Torus, and that Ampere's law applys to the Torus as well as it does to all the other electric coil configurations. The more turns of copper windings, the more powerfull the magnetic field. The Powell design would require more power to equal the field strength of a Torus with additional windings!

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Levitation.

I ran my 1" neo ceramic bearing, carbon axel carriage spinner in a cup to 25k r.p.m. over my "Dropa Doughnut" Bedini coil, then placed the cup and spinner on a K-Mart pastry scale to compare it's motionless weight of 4 1/2 ounces to it's high spin weight. It measured a 1/4 ounce weight loss spinning down from the 25K. That's about a 5.5% drop in weight. This is a very easy experiment for me to perform, and I'll try and upload a video of it sometime soon. The r.p.m.'s went over 26K for a new speed record as well.

I believe there's a gravity to power conversion taking place here, that would have an electro-static lift value equivalent.

[twinbeard]

lift via spin

I ran my 1" neo ceramic bearing, carbon axel carriage spinner in a cup to 25k r.p.m. over my "Dropa Doughnut" Bedini coil, then placed the cup and spinner on a K-Mart pastry scale to compare it's motionless weight of 4 1/2 ounces to it's high spin weight. It measured a 1/4 ounce weight loss spinning down from the 25K. That's about a 5.5% drop in weight. This is a very easy experiment for me to perform, and I'll try and upload a video of it sometime soon. The r.p.m.'s went over 26K for a new speed record as well.

I believe there's a gravity to power conversion taking place here, that would have an electro-static lift value equivalent.

Hi All,

Bear with me on the wordy tangent... it does go somewhere.

I am not sure how many golfers we have here, but I started when I was 8 years old. By the time I was 12, I was competing on a state level. At 14, I was competing on a national level. At 17, I quit for almost 15 years. At 32, I picked it up again, and applied all the physics I had learned in the interim to studying precisely how the swing worked, and how equipment effected results.

Why do professional and low handicap golfers balls stop quickly when they land on a green? Spin. Not just that the spin that allows the ball to dig into the turf, and indeed roll backwards towards the golfer, but that the spin has an effect on ball flight particularly. "Weekend golfers" have not developed the necessary swing mechanincs to maximize both velocity and acceleration of the clubhead at impact. Maximizing acceleration keeps the ball on the clubface longer, allowing for more compression of the ball, which imparts more spin. As a result of this spin imparted, the ball will continue to rise until it runs out of horizontal momentum, and it will kind of "drop out of the sky" vertically. Contrast this with the weekend golfers shot, which rises, falls, and rolls.

If the ball had no dimples, the professional's shot would look very much like the weekend golfers shot, as the disruption the dimples create greatly increases the lift on the ball due to spin:
Titleist.com - Principles of Aerodynamics: Common Myths

Notice the pattern the air takes flowing over the ball:
YouTube - The Secret of Golf Balls Revealed: Dimple Dynamics

You may well be seeing some torsional b-field lift effects on the rotor. You are definitely getting lift from the rotation, just like a golf ball. Where I was going with the seemingly off topic golf diatribe is this:

1. If we apply a dimpled surface to the surface of our rotors except maybe the area defined by a 10-15 degrees radius from the axis of rotation, can we achieve a higher spin rate AND/OR lift due to the changed aerodynamic properties of out rotor? I think we will. In fact, I might add a layer of fiberglass putty to the surface of a neosphere, and put some dimples in it.

2. Will the aether respond differently, as the air does, if we dimple the surface of our rotors? There will not only be the aerodynamic effect, but there will be a change in the pattern of the surface field shape, and hence apparent surface gauss fluctuations as opposed to a purely spherical or cylindrical rotor. I have a 1" n45 neo sphere that got chipped. Any thoughts on how to dimple the surface? Dremel with a diamond tipped bit? Flyback transformer output?

Cheers,
Twinbeard

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Dimples.

@Twinbeard,

Cover the surface of a neo tube with epoxy putty, then roll it over a cheese grater, maybe followed by a little sanding. The Starship Dropa Stone looks like it has a dimpled spinner in the center. Very keen observation. This is quantum leap. The "Dimple Dynamics" video and the drag graphs are worthy of "Lockeed Skunk Works" distinction. I plan to try this right away. This thing may begin to take off and turn into a new kind of helicopter. Thanks alot.

I need a vacuum spin to determine how much lift is aerodynamic and how much is Townsand Brown effect. There's no harm in combining the two lift effects, as they're synergystic. I plan to drop the carriage and dimpled spinner into a Mason Jar in boiling water, seal it; then pull it from the freezer for a spin up and weight trial for comparison. Be right back with the results.

Update,

I ran the spinner up with a cap on the cup and got the same weight loss, so it looks like a Townsand Brown effect at this time. I purchased the epoxy putty and a three sided cheese grater for the dimple experiment. Lift is one factor, drag reduction to help speed increase is another.

[twinbeard]

@Twinbeard,

Cover the surface of a neo tube with epoxy putty, then roll it over a cheese grater, maybe followed by a little sanding. The Starship Dropa Stone looks like it has a dimpled spinner in the center. Very keen observation. This is quantum leap. The "Dimple Dynamics" video and the drag graphs are worthy of "Lockeed Skunk Works" distinction. I plan to try this right away. This thing may begin to take off and turn into a new kind of helicopter. Thanks alot.

That cheese grater is a good idea. It achieves the desired aerodynamic surface well. I'm not sure it would effect our field at all though. I was considering an actual dimpling of the surface of the magnet itself... picture a magnet shaped like the golf ball. While I'm sure some neo manufacturer in China would be happy to make N50 Titleists for me, I would probably have to buy more than a dozen at time So how do we mod an existing sphere?
I was thinking a drill bit made of titanium or brass might work... the magnet powder under plating will actually come apart quite easily. Then we have to figure out how to plate it again with readily available gear. Seems alot of effort to determine if the field shape is significantly changed, and if we can get the same effect on aether from a "dimpled field" that the dimpled surface of the golf ball has on air.

Thanks for the compliment, BTW. Oddly enough, my brother, who has taken a significantly more traditional route through life than I, worked on the C-130 and F-16 at Lockheed during the late 80's... must be in the blood

I need a vacuum spin to determine how much lift is aerodynamic and how much is Townsand Brown effect. There's no harm in combining the two lift effects, as they're synergystic. I plan to drop the carriage and dimpled spinner into a Mason Jar in boiling water, seal it; then pull it from the freezer for a spin up and weight trial for comparison. Be right back with the results.

Update,

I ran the spinner up with a cap on the cup and got the same weight loss, so it looks like a Townsand Brown effect at this time. I purchased the epoxy putty and a three sided cheese grater for the dimple experiment. Lift is one factor, drag reduction to help speed increase is another.

I was unaware of Townsend Brown before your reference. Thank you very much. Have you read of the counter torsional theory behind the "Nazi Bell?"
I first learned of that a few days ago as well... too many years working on computer networks. I have been accused of being borderline autistic at times for the focus I will put on a specific endeavor; whatever I happen to be doing is ALL that I am doing over a given time period. It generally leads to some success in whatever the project, at the expense of having no idea what else is going on. Sure glad I found this forum tho, and glad my ramblings can make a contribution

Cheers,
Twinbeard

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Toroid knot.

This link shows a good example of the kind of Toroid coil I am presently experimenting with.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biDJ_...eature=related

@Twinbeard,

A Japenese corperation performed a classic experiment where they accuratly measured the weight of a simple capacitor emersed in mineral oil before and after high voltage charging. They measured conclusive weight loss in the elevated charge state. This effect is commonly refered to as the "Townsand Brown" effect, and JL Naudin has performed numerous, well documented experiments on the effect.

The capacitor cools, while it lightens and generates electric power at the same time. The magnet spinner appears to be behaving this way. Just what's really going on is still a mystery. Movement is not necessary to achieve this effect. Just running high voltage into a simple flat capacitor will do it.

[twinbeard]

This link shows a good example of the kind of Toroid coil I am presently experimenting with.

YouTube - Toroid Knot Rotation

I would be very interested to see what is produced by a secondary wound INSIDE those loops, as a former. Almost like winding your coil around a commercial deguasser like Retrod1 used in his experiments a few years ago.

@Twinbeard,

A Japenese corperation performed a classic experiment where they accuratly measured the weight of a simple capacitor emersed in mineral oil before and after high voltage charging. They measured conclusive weight loss in the elevated charge state. This effect is commonly refered to as the "Townsand Brown" effect, and JL Naudin has performed numerous, well documented experiments on the effect.

The capacitor cools, while it lightens and generates electric power at the same time. The magnet spinner appears to be behaving this way. Just what's really going on is still a mystery. Movement is not necessary to achieve this effect. Just running high voltage into a simple flat capacitor will do it.

Very interesting. I'm sure you are aware of Bruce Depalma's rotating sphere experiments.
Bruce E. DePalma: N-Machine (3 articles)

What is not so well known is that the early US and Soviet orbital launches, mostly classified surveillance missions, "missed" their targets by overshoot.

http://www.enterprisemission.com/Von_Braun.htm

One can kind of see the development process in the historical milestones:
AF.mil - History Milestones

Why did they miss? The rocket was spinning around its vector of ascent.
When I asked my father, retired USAF radar tracking specialist stationed in the high desert in California at the time (think "The Right Stuff"... before NASA was NASA, it was the USAF Strategic Space Command) about all of this, all he would say is "Yes, we had a few problems to sort out in the beginning" with a wry smile.

Cheers,
Twinbeard

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Degausser core.

I have five loops of 26 gauge to begin the spiral knot wrap, but wraping a degausser coil like retrod1's with a "Spiral Knot" would be very interesting to test. Here is a video graphic of the rotating field generated by a spiral torus wrap. The one I wraped this tight wouldn't spin my neo tube, but the field effect is still rotational.

These Celtic Knot videos are not electro magnetic, but weaver wraps. I believe I'm the very first to adapt this approach to a bifilar electro magnetic spnner coil, and I believe this innovation to be superior to any of Marco Rodin's designs.

YouTube - Magnetic field in a toroidal coil

I epoxy puttied the 1" neo and rolled it over the medium cheese grater gauge. The dimple process worked great, but it's too out of balance to spin up over 5k. I need to shave it into balance on a speed lathe, or block sand it on a drill press. This may not be the best approach, but it has potential. I need more time to balance the exterior putty dimple jacket.

[twinbeard]

I have five loops of 26 gauge to begin the spiral knot wrap, but wraping a degausser coil like retrod1's with a "Spiral Knot" would be very interesting to test. Here is a video graphic of the rotating field generated by a spiral torus wrap. The one I wraped this tight wouldn't spin my neo tube, but the field effect is still rotational.

The mystic number is 381970... all math and other knowledge can be derived from this! Haha. Just kidding. Check out that patent # though... once again thank to Nikola. Too bad he does not post here, but I am sure he would approve of our activities

NIKOLA TESLA - Google Patent Search

That is the basic concept I am describing. I will start winding once my plate is a bit less full. My thought is to replace "A" in the patent with magwire, and wind bi-filar B and C on top of that. B would be trigger, C would be drive, and A would be our pickup coil. It would wind up LOOKING like a standard toroid transformer, but behave like a Bedini. The only reason I say replace the iron wire core with magwire is to prevent the attraction to the core. OTOH, if we listen to Leedskalnin, perhaps we can extract flux directly with insulated iron windings: "I have made more electricity with iron than I ever have with copper."

These Celtic Knot videos are not electro magnetic, but weaver wraps. I believe I'm the very first to adapt this approach to a bifilar electro magnetic spnner coil, and I believe this innovation to be superior to any of Marco Rodin's designs.

YouTube - Magnetic field in a toroidal coil

Pretty neat, synchro. I think there is probably a geometry of coil shape as well that will best produce our rotating field. You know what a deflection coil looks like... the one that guides the electron beam in a CRT?
Infolytica » Gallery » CRT Deflection Yoke
We might have interesting results making coils of that shape, but with a standard winding pattern.

I epoxy puttied the 1" neo and rolled it over the medium cheese grater gauge. The dimple process worked great, but it's too out of balance to spin up over 5k. I need to shave it into balance on a speed lathe, or block sand it on a drill press. This may not be the best approach, but it has potential. I need more time to balance the exterior putty dimple jacket.

I had a similar problem with my first SSG, built on a hard disk platter. At first, I simply taped the magnets to the edge of the platter. This, of course, failed once it got up to speed, but it was balanced. Eventually, I found that I could fiberglass the magnets in place, and overcome the centripetal force destroying my rotor, but that put the rotor out of balance. I wound up turning it on its side, so the axis of rotation was pointing at me. I let the rotor turn to a resting position on its own... this put the heavy side down. Then I sanded by hand, and repeated, until the rotor would not favor any particular position. At that point, it was perfectly balanced, and it has been running that way for months now.

Cheers,
Twinbeard

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DePalma.

I perfected Bruce's Homopolar generator in concept. It involves two bearing contacts: A large conductive non-magnetic metal roller bearing contact for the copper disc, and a second smaller metal bearing for the axel.

Bruce powered his magnet spinner with a power wasteful a.c. motor, and he either used a pressure friction contact or a sloppy and toxic mercury contact for the copper disc.

A 1/4" copper rod axel attached thru the neo tube, spinning inside two inexpensive 1/4" I.D. metal slot car bearings; The bearings positioned out of attraction distance on each end. A third such bearing on a protruding end for the axel contact. The attached copper disc would rotate inside a large inches wide I.D. diameter metal roller bearing. The copper disc contact bearing needs to be electricly conductive and magneticly non attractive, like brass.

The axel can have axially polarized ring magnets and copper disc positioned next to a diametricly polarized power rotor if that's necessary. It may well generate even more power from the B-field torsion created by the diametric rotor alone. The combination of the super efficient Bedini circuit and the low friction bearing contacts would increase DePalma's Homopolar COP by a very large factor.

Here's a picture of a 3 1/2" I.D. brass roller bearing. This one has stainless steel rollers, close enough to see what the thick copper disc contact would look like. Some stainless steel is non-magnetic.

[twinbeard]

I perfected Bruce's Homopolar generator in concept. It involves two bearing contacts: A large conductive non-magnetic metal roller bearing contact for the copper disc, and a second smaller metal bearing for the axel.

Bruce powered his magnet spinner with a power wasteful a.c. motor, and he either used a pressure friction contact or a sloppy and toxic mercury contact for the copper disc.

A 1/4" copper rod axel attached thru the neo tube, spinning inside two inexpensive 1/4" I.D. metal slot car bearings; The bearings positioned out of attraction distance on each end. A third such bearing on a protruding end for the axel contact. The attached copper disc would rotate inside a large inches wide I.D. diameter metal roller bearing. The copper disc contact bearing needs to be electricly conductive and magneticly non attractive, like brass.

The axel can have axially polarized ring magnets and copper disc positioned next to a diametricly polarized power rotor if that's necessary. It may well generate even more power from the B-field torsion created by the diametric rotor alone. The combination of the super efficient Bedini circuit and the low friction bearing contacts would increase DePalma's Homopolar COP by a very large factor.

Here's a picture of a 3 1/2" I.D. brass roller bearing. This one has stainless steel rollers, close enough to see what the thick copper disc contact would look like. Some stainless steel is non-magnetic.

good work, Synchro. I can't wait to see the build I totally agree that maximizing the efficiency of the prime mover will do wonders for a faraday disc!

Cheers,
Twinbeard

[redrichie]

I perfected Bruce's Homopolar generator in concept. It involves two bearing contacts: A large conductive non-magnetic metal roller bearing contact for the copper disc, and a second smaller metal bearing for the axel.

Bruce powered his magnet spinner with a power wasteful a.c. motor, and he either used a pressure friction contact or a sloppy and toxic mercury contact for the copper disc.

A 1/4" copper rod axel attached thru the neo tube, spinning inside two inexpensive 1/4" I.D. metal slot car bearings; The bearings positioned out of attraction distance on each end. A third such bearing on a protruding end for the axel contact. The attached copper disc would rotate inside a large inches wide I.D. diameter metal roller bearing. The copper disc contact bearing needs to be electricly conductive and magneticly non attractive, like brass.

The axel can have axially polarized ring magnets and copper disc positioned next to a diametricly polarized power rotor if that's necessary. It may well generate even more power from the B-field torsion created by the diametric rotor alone. The combination of the super efficient Bedini circuit and the low friction bearing contacts would increase DePalma's Homopolar COP by a very large factor.

Here's a picture of a 3 1/2" I.D. brass roller bearing. This one has stainless steel rollers, close enough to see what the thick copper disc contact would look like. Some stainless steel is non-magnetic.

Working on something like this ,myself. I have 2, 3.5x1/4 inch copper disks, and 1, 3.5x1/2'' copper disk machined. Have 2 3in neo disks (hope these are strong enough for a good results) prob going to use a bearing type contact system like you have described. I worry about the added friction from the bearing though. I read that a single bearing can add as much as 20% inefficiency. I presently am using a levitating rotor design. Still have a lot to do. HAven't run it yet.

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Bearing contact.

@Redrichie,

The loss to bearing friction is only a tiny fraction of what the brush or slip ring contact cost on the edge of the copper disk. The low voltage and high amperage coupled with the contact pressure and tiny brush area are super wasteful. The bearing allows for thousands of times the conductive area of a single bush, without the applied pressure to keep it in touch with the copper disc edge at high r.p.m. Only the mercury contact can compare, but the friction loss is still there, perhaps even higher then the bearing, and the mercury can begin to seperate at high end.

The other configuration calls for two axel mounted copper discs and magnets in tandem. Each disk with pole reversed magnets. This version has a metalic belt connecting the discs, that permits the contacts to run from the two axels alone.

Two bearings are all one needs to complete the circuit. The larger copper disc bearing for one end and the smaller axel bearing for the other, each bearing dual purposed for support and contact both.

The 1" I.D. non magnetic chrome bearing I have placed on order cost $5.59. It's very important that the bearing is conductive and non-magnetic, like the copper disc. I tested the conductivity of several skate board bearings, and found them to be excellent conductors!

I'm thrilled to learn that you're in advance of us with your project. Do you have your own machine shop? I am searching for a 3.5" diameter, 1/2" thich copper disk myself. I thought I might have to mold one. Can you provide us with more information on how you manufactured that large a copper diisc?

My spiral Celtic Knot Bedini has doubled my spinner speed. The Spiral Knot coil can seat snugly around the base of the spinner, and a Mu metal shield can create an indifference to the axial generating magnets. This combination could wrap into a very tight cylinder, a real winner. You're spearheading this advance at this time. Run with it! Looking foward to more updates from you. Good luck!

[twinbeard]

Frequency Increase

Hi Everyone,

I was able to bump up the operational frequency to over 50KHz by changing the coil arrangement. As well, I have been working on the output side of the circuit a bit.

New video here:
YouTube - Go Speedracer! FlowerPower Frequency

Cheers,
Twinbeard

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Lifter voltage.

@Twinbeard,

Your output voltage is approaching electro-static lifter range. High voltage works directly as horsepower when converted to electro-static lift. No need for step down or rectification. It's possible to compare watts in to work out by flying the lifter off a scale. Keep it climbing. Voltage equals power. Congratulations on your progress.