One magnet no bearing Bedini motor

[redrichie]

I too have 2 3 inch ring neos. 3.5 inch copper disks. the ring neos are terribly strong. Be sure you put a non conductive layer of SOMETHING in-between the copper if you are sandwiching the copper and neos together. if mags are stationary you will be fine. Do you have any Amperage/Voltage readings from the brass spinner? Using a copper grounding rod as the shaft for the setup. Kinda shooting for a Depalma type device, but with a levitating rotor for no friction. I read he had problems with heat expansion. I am at a premium for time at the moment so please keep us posted.

[twinbeard]

I just ordered two 3 inch diameter ring magnets, shaped like big flat washers, for $60 apiece, and several 3.5 inch diameter precision tolerenced 1/8th inch copper disks at $37 dollars apiece. I plan to spin these precision copper discs between the stationary neos at very high speed with my Celtic Knot Bedini, and precision axel bearings.

Hooray!!! Finally a faraday/n-machine with an efficient prime mover!
How are you doing the contacts? Brushes or the like? Seems Depalma solved that with mercury, but yuk, mercury.

The barometer and clock discs proved to be oblong. This went unoticed untill I placed them back to back. Bigger junk heap! Close to round as round can be is best.

The Magneto Coil Mosfet burned a hole through the carpet. Back to the drawing board with this too. Very powerfull pulse coil though. I believe it would help to detour the BEMF.

Geez. With or without a heatsink? I have found heat in my MOSFETs (and coils, for that matter) ONLY when operating at low frequency.
Anything above 1000Hz or so is cool to the touch. Almost feels colder than ambient, actually. I have the top aluminum plate acting as heatsink for the diodes and MOSFET in the Flowerpower, but I have not been able to detect any heat in it either, even directly over the MOSFET, except at very low frequencies... the base resistance at or near 0. The heatsink is more for mounting ease rather than heat dissipation.

My 1 Farad digital readout speaker capacitor just arrived at the post office, so I'll have time to rig the O.U. Magnet Core Output Coil back to source to test the self runner.

BTW, you may want to take skycollection up on his RPM challenge with your celtic knot:
YouTube - MAG LEV STARSHIP FAST MOTOR (RPM RECORD)



I think you will quite enjoy that. That big can should give you a great idea of the situation there. Be careful with that... it will really bite you! Those were originally made for use with car stereo amps with unregulated power supplies. The amps would draw lots of current on sharp bass transients, causing a voltage drop and eventually distortion of the sound. The solution was to slap a bigass cap like that in parallel with the battery/alternator input to the amp, and it could handle the immediate discharge required much better than the battery. The result: better sounding, sharper impacting bass drum sound reproduction.

Cheers,
Twinbeard

[twinbeard]

@Pirate Twinbeard,

This has just turned into a bodacious moby Faraday Homopolar dynamo. The Gauss is fearsome.

You may be surpassing Guass there and graduating up to Teslas!

[rave154]

synchro,

youre starting to sound more & more like DR frankenstein lol...... i cant wait to see whatever it is that you have......in action

[twinbeard]

Thread

Hi All,

In consideration of not hijacking Jonny's thread, I have started a new thread for the Flowerpower.
It is here:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...er-device.html

@Jonny,

I tried the AV plug, but got nothing anywhere around either the FlowerPower or the transformer. Nothing on any of my other devices as well, although they readily light LEDs with induction coils. I used different diodes, which may be a factor.

Cheers,
Twinbeard

[synchro]

Speed record

I hit 25K R.P.M. with this Celtic Knot, one ceramic bearing Bedini. That was before I applied the experimental epoxy on the 1" Neo. I don't know what the 2" Neo would do, but I'm willing to bet any amount of money that it will outperform Skycollection's setup. I start the Spinner inside the coil air core, then I have to lift the cup up and reposition it over and a bit to one side to achieve the super acceleration. I fish around for the peak spot with a laser tach. A few millimeters adjustment can add thousands of R.P.M. It would be possible to build a brace for it and just slip it into peak position after the runup.

I would have to wrap a wider diameter Spiral Knot Coil to fit the 2" Neo. About a ten minute sloppy lash wrap job for me with the Radio Shack 75 foot length, 24 gauge solid 2 conductor speaker wire. When the air core diameter is too small, it's necessary to first wind the wire on a stick to fit it through the hole. I think the 2" air core would be large enough to pass the spool through for half the work. "There's no jelly in a doughnut hole": Ampere.

[twinbeard]

I hit 25K R.P.M. with this Celtic Knot, one ceramic bearing Bedini. That was before I applied the experimental epoxy on the 1" Neo.

The dimpling helped, or is balancing an issue?

I don't know what the 2" Neo would do, but I'm willing to bet any amount of money that it will outperform Skycollection's setup. I start the Spinner inside the coil air core, then I have to lift the cup up and reposition it over and a bit to one side to achieve the super acceleration.

That is pretty consistent with my experiences too. I have found that directly over the hole had a sweetspot in it too, but it is a very finicky one.
Maybe not so with a larger rotor... with the tiny neo I am using, it must be placed perfectly.

I would have to wrap a wider diameter Spiral Knot Coil to fit the 2" Neo. About a ten minute sloppy lash wrap job for me with the Radio Shack 75 foot length, 24 gauge solid 2 conductor speaker wire. When the air core diameter is too small, it's necessary to first wind the wire on a stick to fit it through the hole.

Now thats the reason I never bothered with the Rodin coil... that and hho4volts "shootout" series of videos.

Consider a smaller rotor too to raise rpms... less mass to push seems to work pretty well with the little sphere making the scope dance here. Less gauss, but you are going to be collecting with the homopolars anyway, so a strong field on the rotor is not so critical, it seems.

I think the 2" air core would be large enough to pass the spool through for half the work. "There's no jelly in a doughnut hole": Ampere.

Cheers,
Twinbeard

[synchro]

Dimpled spinner.

@Twinbeard,

The problem with balancing the epoxy was that it rolled on a bit lumpy, then I dimpled it over the cheese grater while still wet. When I sanded to balance, the heavy side worked the dimples to low as you can see in the photo. I'm stuck with this flaw. The spinner begins to wobble over 5K due to this aerodynamic asymetry, as I have it balanced on a single central bearing. Live and learn!

I couldn't get a round to connect the contacts on the brass discs. My best reading was about a 1/10 of a volt, but I was unable to measure amperage to load due to the oblong nature of the casting. I did determine that it's retrograde to spin the magnets with the copper disc, so I disassembled it and ordered new materials to marry the fixed stator Faraday to my Spiral Knot Bedini.

[synchro]

Skycollection challenge.

Skycollection wrote and declined my challenge on you tube. He has confined his competition to Rodin coil and magnet levitation only.

Jeanna wrote and asked that I look more closely at the "Light Multiplier".

I took a good look at Lidmotor's "Light Multiplier" Micro wave fan coil, joule thief Maggie satellite spinner output coil video. I definitly think Lidmotor's setup would be an over unity self runner like mine if he simply ran Maggie's output back to source. My Maggie just has two snug stationary diametric neo magnet plugs inside the output coil core. The coil needs to be positioned correctly to generate output. I think magnetic wave vibration generates current as if the magnets were in motion. I tried and failed to upload an animation of the power pulse that emenates from a toroid that transitions through magnetic domain reversal. There appears to be a fourth side to the field in interdimensional space, that is electric not magnetic. When the field rotates it must line up with Earth's background flux lines at some point. The ambient level of background electric power is less then the resistive power of the magnetic field untill it lines up with the Earth's, then a conduit appears that channels power from our surroundings into the output windings.

The Lorentz force predicts that free electrons follow the flux lines of a magnetic field. There has to be a powerfull electric current flowing from the Earth's North to it's South pole, like an electrical jet stream. The magnetic field of the output core Neos is independent of the magnet's physical orientaion. The core Neo's have a more powerfull magnetic field than the Earth's. The electron stream from the weaker Earth field must circle inward through the output windings after the core magnetic fields line up with the Earths. My thought now is to try and rotate the output coil core magnetic field, with the output coil leads attached to a multimeter. I may be able to rotate the output core field into Earth field alignment just by moving more powerfull Neo's around the perimeter with the magnets secured in fixed position. The output should rise to load like Hans Coler's Magnetostrumzueger.

[twinbeard]

Skycollection wrote and declined my challenge on you tube. He has confined his competition to Rodin coil and magnet levitation only.

he had a starship when he made the challenge, and to think that a bearing and shaft will be a speed advantage over maglev is kind of silly, I think.

sounds like he is scared to lose

Jeanna wrote and asked that I look more closely at the "Light Multiplier".

I took a good look at Lidmotor's "Light Multiplier" Micro wave fan coil, joule thief Maggie satellite spinner output coil video. I definitly think Lidmotor's setup would be an over unity self runner like mine if he simply ran Maggie's output back to source. My Maggie just has two snug stationary diametric neo magnet plugs inside the output coil core. The coil needs to be positioned correctly to generate output. I think magnetic wave vibration generates current as if the magnets were in motion.

Sure, the B field is moving, even if the magnet is not doing so perceptibly, due to the interaction with the primary rotor B field. Flux is still cutting the coil, and producing induction.

Ohm and Lenz laws just do not apply to flux only circuit paths. You are connecting the two B fields with flux. The "maggie" is an induction coil around a satellite spinner, but it is not getting the energy to make the light directly from the shared flux filaments
(like birkeland currents: http://maps.thefullwiki.oro/Birkeland_current) between the primary and secondary rotors, or in your case, rotor and vibrator. Your "maggie" is generating the light from standard induction from the movement of the vibrator B field, not the primary rotor B field. Interestingly, the filaments can be physically stretched MUCH further simple induction will allow, and there is a "sweetspot" there, which is why your pickup coil needs to be perfectly positioned, just as my rotor needs to be perfectly positioned in the FlowerPower for optimal output. A millimeter off, and I lose half my voltage and half my current at the output terminals.

I tried and failed to upload an animation of the power pulse that emenates from a toroid that transitions through magnetic domain reversal. There appears to be a fourth side to the field in interdimensional space, that is electric not magnetic. When the field rotates it must line up with Earth's background flux lines at some point. The ambient level of background electric power is less then the resistive power of the magnetic field untill it lines up with the Earth's, then a conduit appears that channels power from our surroundings into the output windings.

The Lorentz force predicts that free electrons follow the flux lines of a magnetic field. There has to be a powerfull electric current flowing from the Earth's North to it's South pole, like an electrical jet stream. The magnetic field of the output core Neos is independent of the magnet's physical orientaion. The core Neo's have a more powerfull magnetic field than the Earth's. The electron stream from the weaker Earth field must circle inward through the output windings after the core magnetic fields line up with the Earths. My thought now is to try and rotate the output coil core magnetic field, with the output coil leads attached to a multimeter. I may be able to rotate the output core field into Earth field alignment just by moving more powerfull Neo's around the perimeter with the magnets secured in fixed position. The output should rise to load like Hans Coler's Magnetostrumzueger.

Take a look at these:
Magnetic Portals Connect Earth to the Sun - NASA Science
http://techtransfer.gsfc.nasa.gov/ne...rope-590px.jpg
http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/2...xPower_400.jpg

I know all my OMNBB motors will spin pole over pole, around a geographically East/West axis if the drive/trigger coil is horizontal, and around an up/down axis if the coil is vertical. Oh yeah, and they wobble... maybe precess is a better word, MUCH more when we get hit, even barely sideswiped, by a CME strong enough to fire up the aurora borealis.

Cheers,
Twinbeard

[twinbeard]

@Twinbeard,

The problem with balancing the epoxy was that it rolled on a bit lumpy, then I dimpled it over the cheese grater while still wet. When I sanded to balance, the heavy side worked the dimples to low as you can see in the photo. I'm stuck with this flaw. The spinner begins to wobble over 5K due to this aerodynamic asymetry, as I have it balanced on a single central bearing. Live and learn!

You can't crack the epoxy off?

Yep, when you put a cut or nick in the cover of a golf ball, it flies funny. I think that has to be done pretty precisely to have the proper effects... millions spent on golf ball research may not be wasted after all though!
Maybe apply epoxy, let it dry, sand to balance, then dimple with a Dremel tool or so. Hell, applying a sandpaper type surface would likely work as well. Maybe just some glue and then roll it in sand.

Anyway, thats how all good engineering gets done. If you get it totally right the first time, you are either totally lucky or totally bull****ting. When I do something, I expect the first 3-4 to fail miserably. I mentioned before... the first few rocket launches that actually made it to space went too far, and thats after how many explosions, curveball flights, and other screwups. Do not be discouraged! Remember Monty Python and the Holy Grail:

"King of Swamp Castle: When I first came here, this was all swamp. Everyone said I was daft to build a castle on a swamp, but I built in all the same, just to show them. It sank into the swamp. So I built a second one. That sank into the swamp. So I built a third. That burned down, fell over, then sank into the swamp. But the fourth one stayed up. And that's what you're going to get, Lad, the strongest castle in all of England."

I couldn't get a round to connect the contacts on the brass discs. My best reading was about a 1/10 of a volt, but I was unable to measure amperage to load due to the oblong nature of the casting. I did determine that it's retrograde to spin the magnets with the copper disc, so I disassembled it and ordered new materials to marry the fixed stator Faraday to my Spiral Knot Bedini.

That thing should rock the casbah when its all said and done.

Cheers,
Twinbeard

[synchro]

Speed record

I knocked and sanded the epoxy off my 1" neo tube magnet and rewired my Bedini SSG with a 2N3055 metal can transistor for the smaller burned out TIP3055 and ran the spinner up to 29,298 R.P.M inside the Spiral Knot Coil for a new speed record.

NASA chose two circular Hallbach arrays nested one inside the other for it's Mag Lev rotor, one set on each end. Each set has a smaller inside one with the field pointing out, and a larger outer one with the field facing in. The Mendicino version Skycollection uses vibrates very subtly, invisible to the naked eye. That's why I believe his top speed of 17+K is vastly slower then my single ceramic bearing. Also I believe my Spiral Knot Coil is much more powerfull then his Rodin Starship Coil. The Spiral Knot acceleration rate is much greater then his.

I have a 1 Farad Rockford Fosgate capacitor set up for a trial run with the magnet core output coil back to source circuit. I hope to have a self runner soon.

I fooled around with the Cook generator, trying to bend the magnetic field with positioning magnets, but met with no success. I don't know if my theory's wrong or if my technique is faulty.

[rave154]

hmm...this spiral knot coil is starting to intruige me

[twinbeard]

I knocked and sanded the epoxy off my 1" neo tube magnet and rewired my Bedini SSG with a 2N3055 metal can transistor for the smaller burned out TIP3055 and ran the spinner up to 29,298 R.P.M inside the Spiral Knot Coil for a new speed record.

Cool. I'm glad I did not ruin your rotor with my aerodynamics ideas. I was actually feeling kind of bad about that. To make up for the hassle, can I send you a mosfet that should be able to switch a little faster, gratis? Oh, and if I can talk you into some elmers glue and sand on the surface of the rotor to make the aerodynamic effect...

NASA chose two circular Hallbach arrays nested one inside the other for it's Mag Lev rotor, one set on each end. Each set has a smaller inside one with the field pointing out, and a larger outer one with the field facing in. The Mendicino version Skycollection uses vibrates very subtly, invisible to the naked eye. That's why I believe his top speed of 17+K is vastly slower then my single ceramic bearing. Also I believe my Spiral Knot Coil is much more powerfull then his Rodin Starship Coil. The Spiral Knot acceleration rate is much greater then his.

That is very interesting. I think he is trying to push too much mass for the voltage he is operating at too. I have ordered some 1/8" spheres to compare performance against the 1/4 model I am using now. I have come to the realization that the critical factor here is not Gauss in the setup I have, but frequency, as the goal seems to be not so much high output induction from the rotor, but achieving the vortex and the associated electrostatic potentials. I am tempted to wind smaller radius coils too, but I think the mass of copper present is a relatively important variable as well, so I might be shooting myself in the foot with that. Some bismuth is on order too, to make a plate to go underneath the coil assembly replacing the concave mirror there. I'm sure my wife is going to love me melting that down in the kitchen, but I think if I do not use it all for the plate, and grow her a few of those wild looking crystals, she will tolerate it

Your spiral knot is interesting... like it is providing the double-helical pattern Leedskalnin was talking about with his "little magnets," allowing the natural pattern of the flow of electricity to manifest there.

I have a 1 Farad Rockford Fosgate capacitor set up for a trial run with the magnet core output coil back to source circuit. I hope to have a self runner soon.

I fooled around with the Cook generator, trying to bend the magnetic field with positioning magnets, but met with no success. I don't know if my theory's wrong or if my technique is faulty.

I would parallel a smaller cap in with the 1 Farad... maybe a 100-400 microfarad 25V model.

What is a Cook generator?

Cheers,
Twinbeard

[jonnydavro]

@Twinbeard.Hi.You are welcome to post information on your motor here as it is relevent to this thread and you are in no way hijacking it and i am very much enjoying yours and synchros journey of discovery although your device is what i term a breakthrough device and certainly warrants its own thread,i am just suprised there has not been much interest in it as what you have is what most motor builders seek to obtain which is a way around Lenz law.
I have built a jig for a starship coil and ordered some twisted wire but when it came it was such a nice ready made bedini coil as the ends of the wires were exposed on the spool so i have decided to use that in some other experiments and will order some more.
I have also been working on Lidmotors Bobin Bedini and trying to get the current draw down into the microamp region and finally done it with a simple ready made minature coil which i will post more on soon and like Rave i also want to try synchros simple Keltic knot coil so there is a long to do list but not much time to do do it,Oh well.Happy experimenting everyone.Jonny