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  • Core spinner.

    I sucessfully wound and tested the Plumber Tape spinner spool coil. Eight and a third volts rectified D.C. output from the core spinner coil than from the same amount of wire and wraps in a Radio Shack coil that only outputs three and a half volts held in adjacency. Over twice the voltage from the magnet spinner spool axel wraped with one skien of RS red magnet wire, then the amount on an output coil of the same siize held close to one side. Also the plumber spool works well as a pulse motor. Took off like crazy with a reed switch wired in series with a twelve volt battery. The two coils together output nearly 12 volts. I'm powering with a tiny kinetic toy pulse coil wired to a tiny Hall effect transister, that's stationed beneath a Radio Shack coil and the Plumber Tape spinner spool seperated by a piece of tape to keep the tiny metal core from flying up and attaching itself to the powerfull Neo spinner. These Kinetic toy units are for sale on line for ten dollars. You have to dig it out, but it's well worth it. This experiment so far has met with great success. Somthing really powerfull is taking effect in this fiendishly simple motor generator. Why such a wide difference in output value? More testing ahead!
    Last edited by synchro; 06-29-2010, 10:46 PM.

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    • Hi Synchro.Thanks for the update.I have been talking with magnetman and one of the things that stands out about his setup is the fact that he does not collect the pulse coil bemf.He thinks this may be contributing to his very high output in his pickup coil as when he does dump it into a battery, the output drops so my question to you is what are you doing with the bemf and try a test to see how your output is effected by recovery/non recovery and also when fed back to the + rail via a diode.
      Keep up the good work as you are collaborating what magnetman is seeing Jonny

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      • Bemf.

        I'm working under the assumption that the bemf is transfered to the output coil through the inductive coupling created by this siamese configuration. The output seemed pretty consistent througt an LED. The charge hits a wall if the battery voltage is higher than the output voltage. I wonder what the magnetman's output voltage was compared to his batteries? I located an ideal spot on the side of the coil to position the reed switch, where I taped it down. Makes for a pretty neat motor package. I'll measure power by comparing two identical cap charges, one for input to draw from, and the other for recovery and storage of output. The "Magnetic Vortex" is the best explaination I have so far. The Vortex is independent of the magnet, and only present along he axis. Faraday's discovery of the independent field has been expanded upon by Bruce DePalma, who first spun the magnetic gyroscope. He draws all his output from a connection to the axis. Lenz drag was alledgedly reduced to 17 or 20 percent in the magnetic gyroscope generator stator.
        Last edited by synchro; 07-01-2010, 01:33 AM.

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        • Magnetic vortex.

          Michael Faraday generated electricity spinning a copper disk between two opposite magnet poles. He found that the disk could generate the power if spun while attached to the magnet. The theorists posited a reverse flux eddy that helped generate the current. Somthing like this is probably spinning around in the other direction around the spinning magnet axel. This force supposedly mitigates Lenz drag. Perhaps somthing like this is at work in the axial output coil?
          Last edited by synchro; 07-08-2010, 03:03 AM.

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          • 1 Inch magnet, ceramic bearings.

            I'm moved into a new place finally, after two months of searching upon my return from Costa Rica and Ecuador. I purchase ordered a 1 inch diametric tube, two all ceramic 1/8 inch id 1/4 od miniature bearings and a 1/8 inch solid carbon rod. The hole in the magnet is 1/4 and the 1/8 inch the diameter of the axel. These all ceramic bearings were not cheap, about $50. apiece. They're rated for 400,000 rpm. That's up there in the "Alphcenturi" range. I purchased a PVC coupling, 2-5/8 id. I plan to have a lawn mower mechanic drill the axel holes for the carbon rod, and seat the magnet bearings and axel in the center for some speed tests in my new apartment. I thought it over, and concluded the smaller the axel, the less friction; Rather then move the axel betwen bearings like Magnetman12003, I choose to rotate the magnet with internal bearings around a stationary axel. An axel 1/32 might work even better, quien sabes? 1/8 solid carbon for now. The ends could be caped with clear plexiglass, then the air core can be evacuated with no through holes for the axel and complete protection and noise supression come along as well. I spotted my camera again, but first I'll try and attach some JPG's. Next comes the coil winding.

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            • Skycollection.

              Skycollection has taken down all but five of his videos.

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              • Boca bearing test.

                The miniature bearings showed up today. I picked up a 1/8 brass rod and sanded it to fit snugly inside the ceramic bearings, the results were spectacular!I tested it with a 3/4 tube magnet, which has a 1/4 hole too. Waiting on the 1 inch. Laser tach batteries went down too much towards the end when I really got it screaming after I removed the metal core with a 12v Reed Switch in series with a battery, and 800 turn air core bifilar. I have to get voltage readings off the secondary, but the speed must have reached 12 or 15 thousand R.P.Ms. I have three Hall effect and Darlington pair transisters on order which should increase the speed. I am thrilled with the performance of the precision miniature ceramic bearings. Tiny as can be, for $50.00 apiece, but the tube magnet spun so fast I decided to shut it down for lack of eye protection, rock solid the whole time. I'll get back soon with further updates. They really show their breeding as they start to reach high speed, the integrity of their performance is sterling! Rated for 400,000 r.p.m.

                Update:

                Laser tach came back, over 12 thousand R.P.M.! I wound a small Tesla air core high voltage coil on an empty thread spool. Bifilar, two wires three ends just like the Joule thief. Best performance yet! Twice the magnetic force for the same wire amount and input as the single wrap power coil. Just have to conect the right wires; beginning of one to the end of the other. 12 volt Reed Switch in series.

                Update2:

                Got new batteries for the Laser Tach, and attached reflective tape. Clocked 13,345 r.p.m.! Definitly already a match for a Skycollections Maglev design and just getting started. He's calling his rig frictionless, but the reality is, the supporting magnets create drag on the magnet spinner and axel.

                Update3:

                Just hit 16,5000 R.P.M. after securely mounting the brass axel in the PVC coupling. The earlier runs were in a flimsey jewelery box lid. That's 275 Hz, The Hallbach and Darlington pair transisters should boost the speed even more, as I think I'm at the upward switch rate for the Radio Shack Reed Switch.
                Last edited by synchro; 07-19-2010, 12:13 AM.

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                • Hi SynchroThanks for posting an update.Any chance of posting some pics of your setup?Picture's will also help people replicate what you are doing.
                  I am amazed by the cost of those bearings but i suppose you get what you pay for and you are obviously reaping the benefit of the low friction as your rpms are comparable with skycollections
                  I tried a cylinder magnet in a fixed configuration way back and i used bearings from a yoyo which cost £1 and the friction was so bad that i did not pursue the idea but you have taken a leap of faith with your time and wallet and i am as excited as you with your results to date.Keep going.Jonny.

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                  • mini core spinner.

                    @Jonny,

                    I am broke right now. I had to come up with an extra months rent to get moved into my new place. I put an inquiry in at the coffee house next door for a digital camera assistent. I'm all set up for a photo shoot. I have some important cautionary suggestions for anyone attemping to duplicate this mini spinner. The bearings are designed for rotary motion, not lateral pressure. Boca has an open bearing for $48.00 in the correct dimension, and a closed one for $79. I tried to knock the bearings out of the 3/4 inch magnet to refit in a newly arrived larger 1 inch magnet, and broke one open. Don't push on the inner edge while the outer edge is jamed! I should have used a 1/4 inch push rod, instead of the too small 1/8 inch axel, like dopy me! This was my fifty dollar lesson. You can't make this mistake with the more costly closed miniature all ceramic bearing. I did manage to get a look at a tiny ceramic ball under a microscope. The surface perfection stays clean with many orders of magnification. Stand by for the photos, I'll shanghai a helper sometime soon, and get some JPG's posted for you, please be patient.

                    I did get to spin the inch before I broke the bearing. The field strength forced me to relocate the Reed Switch maybe six inchs from the magnet, and the sweet spot was very difficult to locate. Too much strength for the Radio shack Reed Switch. Speed wouldn't go above 7,500 R.P.M. When I spin the 3/4 inch magnet, I have the Reed Switch taped right below the lip on the outside of my thread spool power coil. I get the highest speed with the magnet sitting right over and in-between the Reed Switch and the power coil core, just a bit off to one side and almost touching the 3/4 inch diametric magnet. I just cut a small hole through a CD and pushed the coil through the hole. I glued a CD with a larger hole to the PVC coupling as a coil wall for the output coil, and pincer clamped the CD's together to hold and position the power coil. This is how simply I ran up over 16,000 R.P.M.s. Output to bridge rectifier and inverter might run a T.V. and charge the primary battery, like skycollection demo'd in one of the videos he took down. I'm chafeing at the bit to try that. The 1 inch will probably spin better with the Hall effect transister and mosfet.

                    There is a Hartley oscillator circuit in the Hi voltage power coil wrap, and an Armstrong oscillator with an inductive coupling between the linked power and output coil. The induced voltage in the power coil from the rapidly spinning magnet produces extra magnetic force. That tiny thread spool coil of wire is perhaps close in strength to the powerful spinner at full speed.
                    Last edited by synchro; 07-19-2010, 12:12 AM.

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                    • synchro & all, your perserverance is truely admirable

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                      • Mini Spinner Pics.

                        These are pictures of perhaps the World's first Internaly Motorized Alternator, minus the output wrap.

                        Left to right:

                        1- View of the 3/4 inch spinner in the 2 1/2 inch PVC core.
                        2- Miniature 1/4 O.D. , 1/8 I.D. all ceramic bearing on top of a Radio Shack 12 volt 6 amp hour battery.
                        3- Position of the 12 volt Reed Switch on the Hi Voltage Spool Coil. Pins should point away from the magnet..
                        4- Top secured for runing with coil seated down partly inside the output core.
                        5- The six main componants: Power coil on core, 1/8 inch brass axel, ceramic bearing, battery and Reed Switch.
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                        Last edited by synchro; 07-19-2010, 12:10 AM.

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                        • Wireing diagram.

                          New attachment, Reed Switch in series:
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                          Last edited by synchro; 07-19-2010, 12:10 AM.

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                          • Ossie circuit.

                            The top of the coil houses the normaly open Reed Switch. The coil has a second wall and, next I have planed a bottem with a second two pole normaly closed reversed polarity Reed Switch mounted on a another thread spool underneath. This curfs the power pulse and separates the coil at both ends, leaveing the only pathway back to the battery through the Full Wave Shockty Diode Bridge. Ossie's original motor is monopole, making the new switch choice necessary. The switch positions with the same kind of easy friction universal adjustment as the top, to tailor the pulse width. The top switch turns the pulse on, and the bottem one turns it off, disconecting the coil at both ends. These switches are wired in series. Add the resistors and we can manage a self charging "Ossie circuit", to disengage at will for full power. When the output coil is wired for self charging, and the spacing secured, the output from the alternator may be all gravy, with speeds crossing the Electro-Gravitic threshold, and extra power output. Maybe a diode like Gotoluc's directly across the coil leads would help create a flyback loop supercharger. More operating voltage seems to be necessary, maybe 50 volts, along with higher voltage limit switches. I believe this to be: "The World's First Internal Ossie, Dipole Magnet Rotor Motor Alternator"! That's the fat cherry on top for this one.
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                            Last edited by synchro; 07-20-2010, 04:26 PM.

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                            • Pulse width switch.

                              I have a custom two contact reed switch underway for my bottem spool pulse width regulator. The choice to use or not use this self charger is open, unlike Ossie's design. One set of contacts disconects the power switch from the hot lead, and the other the opposite end ground wire of the power coil. A full wave bridge rectifier wired to each end of the coil sends the power generated by the magnet spinner in the power coil to the battery during the time the pulse is attenuated. I just ordered one hundred 1/16 by 1/32 tiny disk magnets for $6.00. I plan a spring balanced contact, with a miniature extension sping secured on a movable cross pin or plastic back off bolt that goes through the hole in the spol, and hooks onto the overhanging contact, resting on a compression spring, on the other end. This regulates the downward tension on the opposing pressure balanced compression sping, pushing up on the overhanging contact arm over the spool hole, with the tiny disk magnet on top. This is the normaly closed, north pole open two contact swicth or Double Pole Single Throw, so the tiny disk magnet has to face south pole up, to pull the finely balanced contacts apart without bleeding too much force from the spinner. This custom non-magnnetic material spring balanced reed switch should deliver peak efficency. I'll upload a snapshot when I'm finished.

                              It has since come to my attention that the changeover reed switch can double for a normaly closed switch. I guess it dosen't matter if the switch is closed when the north poles facing up because the power switch is closed as well. Very common componant. One or two of these in tandem would probaly work much better then my home made version, so looks like that project dead ended in the cradel. I also learned that you can create a normaly closed switch just by placing a small magnet nearby a normaly open switch.
                              Last edited by synchro; 07-21-2010, 12:41 AM.

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                              • Power off Rodin spin.

                                Check this new video out of a resonant spin from jackscholze:

                                YouTube - Lolo Neoball Resonant Spinner II
                                Last edited by synchro; 07-21-2010, 03:43 PM.

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