One magnet no bearing Bedini motor

[synchro]

Output coil.

I think I'm overunity with a new lenzless output coil for the no bearing Bedini. I have two 3/4" diametric tube neo's taped inside the core of an old type Radio Shack magnt wire spool, wound with 400 turns of 34 gauge magnet wire. The magnets are vibrating inside the output coil and generating copious current. The super cap's nearly 10 volts and climbing, input steady at 15k r.p.m. The windings are above saturation, so there's no Lenz drag, and the charge battery's gaining. The 1" diametric tube spinner grows steady and speeds up when I place the output coil in adjacency.

[twinbeard]

I think I'm overunity with a new lenzless output coil for the no bearing Bedini. I have two 3/4" diametric tube neo's taped inside the core of an old type Radio Shack magnt wire spool, wound with 400 turns of 34 gauge magnet wire. The magnets are vibrating inside the output coil and generating copious current. The super cap's nearly 10 volts and climbing, input steady at 15k r.p.m. The windings are above saturation, so there's no Lenz drag, and the charge battery's gaining. The 1" diametric tube spinner grows steady and speeds up when I place the output coil in adjacency.

Thats great synchro! What is the impedance of your coil? I think there is a "bandpass" inverse proportionality type relationship between impedance and frequency. You are at 15K RPM x 1 pole, so your frequency is 250Hz. Hmm.

I also notice a distinct effect from moving the rotor up and down inside the generator coil. Almost like its behaving as a variable inductor would with a iron core moving in and out.

Cheers,
Twinbeard

[synchro]

Impedence.

@Twinbeard,

I replcated Danial McFarland Cook's magnetic battery. He recomended the 34 AWG magnet wire for the primary wrap. This is a very fine wire, half the diameter of 28 gauge, that's the fine green wire from Radio Shack. My ohmic readings show I have 266 feet of wire on a 3/4" I.D. spool. That translates into over a thousand turns. Magnetic force is increased with turns per watt of input, so the more turns, the more magnetic strength per unit of input power. Basicly, voltage is generating magnetic field strenght, with no consumption of additional amperage. The equation works the other way: With this very thin wire gauge, the more turns, the more electric voltage produced per amount of magnetic field applied. Conversely, the very thin wire can only handle a very small current.

This magnet core output coil is producing a reinforcing back pulse, as the power in the coil is modulating the magnetic field by dampening it with the charge. It begins to act as a second motor at the same time it's generating power. Lenz drag would slow the spinner down if I removed the core magnets and attached a load across the air core output coil to generate power. The magnets are stationary within the coil core, but there's powerfull torsion in the field. This would place impedance at a negative value, right? I think it's the wire gauge that's linking the resonance, not the number of wraps. Here the output coil is doubling as a pulse motor, and rate of spin determines the frequency, along with impedence. I believe it's self regulating. The counter torque balances like a fluid clutch, so I don't think it's possible to mismatch the impedance. I may be wrong. The other problem is, I don't have a way to test for impedance. When this unit centers itself it produces an audible hum, with no apparent movement of the magnets in the output coil. The output coil is back pulseing itself with it's own bemf, at the transacted spin rate, and reinforcing the rotor as a motor. It's also generating lots of power! We get the dividend of the field strength from the wraps in the attenuation of the core field and it's propusive effect from the flux block. This output coil has become a basic "motor flux generator" positioned just right. The power appears to be paying for itself! One wrap of 16 gauge secondary winding around the 34 would output more amperage. That's the 3 times the dimension Cook calls for.

[magnetman12003]

Hi Synchro,

Here is a short clip of the startup sequence of the device:

YouTube - ‪fpstart‬‎

I will have my lovely wife shoot a vid showing the Thanes acceleration effect once she wakes up... I do not have enough hands to do it properly alone

Cheers,
Twinbeard

Loose the cap bank and use only one .22 mfd 450 volt cap in your DC rectifier circuit. I would like to know how your INPUT verses OUTPUT watt value compares then. My device can charge any cap bank but I am seeking SUSTAINED watt power. Then compare input to output watt power.

YouTube - WONDERFULLY WEIRD.MPG

[twinbeard]

@Twinbeard,

I replcated Danial McFarland Cook's magnetic battery. He recomended the 34 AWG magnet wire for the primary wrap. This is a very fine wire, half the diameter of 28 gauge, that's the fine green wire from Radio Shack. My ohmic readings show I have 266 feet of wire on a 3/4" I.D. spool. That translates into over a thousand turns. Magnetic force is increased with turns per watt of input, so the more turns, the more magnetic strength per unit of input power. Basicly, voltage is generating magnetic field strenght, with no consumption of additional amperage. The equation works the other way: With this very thin wire gauge, the more turns, the more electric voltage produced per amount of magnetic field applied. Conversely, the very thin wire can only handle a very small current.

This magnet core output coil is producing a reinforcing back pulse, as the power in the coil is modulating the magnetic field by dampening it with the charge. It begins to act as a second motor at the same time it's generating power. Lenz drag would slow the spinner down if I removed the core magnets and attached a load across the air core output coil to generate power. The magnets are stationary within the coil core, but there's powerfull torsion in the field. This would place impedance at a negative value, right? I think it's the wire gauge that's linking the resonance, not the number of wraps. Here the output coil is doubling as a pulse motor, and rate of spin determines the frequency, along with impedence. I believe it's self regulating. The counter torque balances like a fluid clutch, so I don't think it's possible to mismatch the impedance. I may be wrong. The other problem is, I don't have a way to test for impedance. When this unit centers itself it produces an audible hum, with no apparent movement of the magnets in the output coil. The output coil is back pulseing itself with it's own bemf, at the transacted spin rate, and reinforcing the rotor as a motor. It's also generating lots of power! We get the dividend of the field strength from the wraps in the attenuation of the core field and it's propusive effect from the flux block. This output coil has become a basic "motor flux generator" positioned just right. The power appears to be paying for itself! One wrap of 16 gauge secondary winding around the 34 would output more amperage. That's the 3 times the dimension Cook calls for.

I am just trying to figure out if we can quantify this effect to manifest at certain specific planned frequencies. No multimeter to test the impedence of the coil, eh?

[twinbeard]

Loose the cap bank and use only one .22 mfd 450 volt cap in your DC rectifier circuit. I would like to know how your INPUT verses OUTPUT watt value compares then. My device can charge any cap bank but I am seeking SUSTAINED watt power. Then compare input to output watt power.

YouTube - WONDERFULLY WEIRD.MPG

Sorry there magnetman... no exploding caps in my lab! That .22 would go BOOM, methinks, not to mention I do not have such a small value onhand. No regulated power supply that I can define milliamps and volts with either... just a big solar array.

If you would like to make those tests, feel free to replicate and test away!
Note that I am not showing or measuring my cap bank at all... all scope traces and current readings are made on the AC side of the FWBR.

[twinbeard]

@Twinbeard,

I replcated Danial McFarland Cook's magnetic battery. He recomended the 34 AWG magnet wire for the primary wrap. This is a very fine wire, half the diameter of 28 gauge, that's the fine green wire from Radio Shack. My ohmic readings show I have 266 feet of wire on a 3/4" I.D. spool. That translates into over a thousand turns. Magnetic force is increased with turns per watt of input, so the more turns, the more magnetic strength per unit of input power. Basicly, voltage is generating magnetic field strenght, with no consumption of additional amperage. The equation works the other way: With this very thin wire gauge, the more turns, the more electric voltage produced per amount of magnetic field applied. Conversely, the very thin wire can only handle a very small current.

I myself had considered making a hockey puck generator coil, mainly because I felt the rotating field was not cutting all the turns on the larger coil. Just happened to have an empty hockey puck spool and a lb. or so of 34, so I would myself a new gen coil after reading your report. I filled the puck to about a 1/4" radius remaining without winds... the Fluke told me 149.6 ohms.

I just watched the DC voltage on my cap bank hit 400, and it is pushing upwards around 1V per few seconds now. Zippy little gen coil! Both series neons on the one wire are shining bright as well.

The waveform is outrageous too... I need to get a 100X probe to see it correctly!


Cheers,
Twinbeard

[synchro]

Impedance

@Twinbeard,

Glad to hear you got positive results from the Cook gauge. I got an accurate reading. 106 Ohms. That's 398 feet. I made a mistake and reported the .266 ohm per foot figure as the length of the coil. Sorry! Yours would work out to 562 feet.

[twinbeard]

@Twinbeard,

Glad to hear you got positive results from the Cook gauge. I got an accurate reading. 106 Ohms. That's 398 feet. I made a mistake and reported the .266 ohm per foot figure as the length of the coil. Sorry! Yours would work out to 562 feet.

I like the compactness of it, and the fact that the rotating field cuts more of the coil. Oh, and I get my spool of 26 back Souns about right on the length. I wound it by hand in about 2 hours or so, with breaks. I need to get some nail polish or so, and coat the coil so I can take the tape off... its a nice looking gold colored wire.

I am glad you are seeing the acceleration effects, and the additional output from the generator coil. The lower impedance load you put on it, the better it likes it. These things really scream, eh? I think in a setup like yours, you could have slave rotors on the same drive shaft, with these high impedance gen coils arrayed around them. As long as you hit the frequency that pushes the gen coil over the top into capacitor mode, there should be no limit to the amount of additional not directly driven slave rotors and pickup coils.

Cheers,
Twinbeard

[twinbeard]

Loose the cap bank and use only one .22 mfd 450 volt cap in your DC rectifier circuit. I would like to know how your INPUT verses OUTPUT watt value compares then. My device can charge any cap bank but I am seeking SUSTAINED watt power. Then compare input to output watt power.

YouTube - WONDERFULLY WEIRD.MPG

Now you have gone and gotten me thinking. It appears we are trying to measure a flow of energy in real time.. why not just include time in the equation. Instead of solving for watts, lets solve for joules.

1 joule = 1 watt x 1 second.
x joules = x wattseconds
60x joules = x wattminutes
3600x joules = x watthours

so in your setup, you have .125A @12V which gives us 1.5W on your power usage.

you use 1.5 watthours per hour, or 5400 Joules.

next, how much are you dumping into your cap bank?

since

J = CE²/2 = 1 watt/second
where J = joules, C = farads and E = voltage of the charge.

you can solve for joules in your cap bank after a given time period, then compare to joules expended during that same time. if you can define the time period that gives you the best ratio, you can figure out the best frequency if a time based dumper or voltage if a scr type setup to dump your caps at as well.

after all, its energy we are interested in here, not power, right


Cheers,
Twinbeard

[rave154]

hi,

while im temporarily wey-layed due to an abcess in an incredibly painful place !

i was goofing around today a little, i mounted a 3/4" diameter, 3/4" long, diamettrically magnetised neo onto the shaft of a small DC motor i have.

i then got it running.and brought in a shorted coil from a shaded pole motor, possibly 1,500 turns of 30 gauge maybe.,

drag on the magnet/motor was evident.

i then tried the same using the coil from a small 12V relay..again quite a few turns of very fine wire... again... drag was evident.

perhaps the perepetia coils need to be wrapped in tape.if they do indeed store the "oomph" from the passing magnet in a capacitive sense...then wrapping them in tape would not allow any capacitor leakage to the air?

[twinbeard]

hi,

while im temporarily wey-layed due to an abcess in an incredibly painful place !

i was goofing around today a little, i mounted a 3/4" diameter, 3/4" long, diamettrically magnetised neo onto the shaft of a small DC motor i have.

i then got it running.and brought in a shorted coil from a shaded pole motor, possibly 1,500 turns of 30 gauge maybe.,

drag on the magnet/motor was evident.

i then tried the same using the coil from a small 12V relay..again quite a few turns of very fine wire... again... drag was evident.

perhaps the perepetia coils need to be wrapped in tape.if they do indeed store the "oomph" from the passing magnet in a capacitive sense...then wrapping them in tape would not allow any capacitor leakage to the air?

I think your rpms are not high enough to create the critical minimum frequency for that coil.

[synchro]

New axel.

I saw the new axel in Magnetman120003's who dun'it video. I spun my 1" neo tube up around an 1/8" carbon rod like he does in his new video. I hooked that up in the Jewelery box you see in the group photo, and ran it up to 8k r.p.m. I mounted the magnet coil with 2 3/4" neos inside overhead, and the magnets lifted the tube up off the axel just enough to float it from over head. Speed soared! I need to nail a few things down before I can proceed. The no bearing spinner can begin to act erratic at any time.

[synchro]

>1

I have the carbon axel wedged between tinker toy axel mounts, in that Jewelery box with the output coil in the frame from the group picture. The magnet coil's over head, just enough to give the 1"spinner some lift, but about 6" away. The output is looped back to the primary through a 35 volt 4700 mf capacitor and schotkey diode. The voltage on the primary is climbing at a repectable rate along with the charge battery. The pickup coil, without the magnets merely stays even, when looped back to primary. The magnets are making the charge back difference. This is definitly overunity!

[twinbeard]

I have the carbon axel wedged between tinker toy axel mounts, in that Jewelery box with the output coil in the frame the black coils in over head, just enough to give the 1"spinner some lift, but about 6" away. The output is looped back to the primary through a 35 volt 4700 mf capacitor and schotkey diode. The voltage on the primary is climbing at a repectable rate along with the charge battery. What do we call this?

sounds like a pretty respectable COP to me. gotta love that pickup coil, eh

I recommend to parallel the cap in with the run battery, with a switch to engage or disengage the battery. Once the system is up to speed, flip off the battery and watch it run on its own output from the cap

Cheers,
Twinbeard