One magnet no bearing Bedini motor

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Rodin coil.

@Twinbeard

The diode is a fast switching barrier diode to handle high frequency. It has a metal contact at one end of the silicon junction and discharges as fast as it charges. The diode is stripe to positive.

@Rave154

Carry on with the Rodin coil, you can experiment with these different kinds of output coils for the high rate of spin when it's done. You can't build a better coil for a no bearing spinner. My unorthodox approach works well too, because sometimes the spinner can act like it has a mind of it's own.

I contrived a new rotor setup. The small 1&1/2" long carbon rod axel and 1" neo tube magnet are suspended between two slightly larger erector set gear wheels on each end. When the carriage is seated neatly inside a small wooden cup, the whole assembly can rotate 360 degrees, and spin very fast on it's single central ceramic bearing. This allows the rotor a degree of self adjustment. I ran it between the power and the air core output coil looped back to source. The power ran evenly, but no gain again for the primary without the magnets in the output coil core. Naturally, the primary charging returned when the magnets were reloaded into the core. The speed is highest with the cup spinner held four or five inchs over the air core power coil. The spinner has to be started directly over the air core, then raised to top speed height. Then the output coil can lower down onto a roof over the cup. This seems to work very well. Next step is to wind a second output coil identical to the first, and position one on each side. I plan to also follow through with "Twinbeard's" 1 farad, 20v capacitor upgrade when I can afford to, in a few weeks time.

[twinbeard]

FlowerPower Device Upgrades

Hi All,

I have added a bit to the circuit, mostly for the purpose of fine tuning, but also to provide a testbed for effects with several additional variables.

Additions:
2 new induction coils, 1 more variable resistor, a replacement rotor housing, and a variable capacitor.

Video here:

YouTube - FlowerPower Device Upgrades

Cheers,
Twinbeard

[jonnydavro]

@Twinbeard.Thanks for all the great vids and updates
I think i am going to have a go at a starship coil as they look a lot easier to wind than the Rodin coil although i would like to try both as the levitation deal that Jamie,Rave and others have shown with the Rodin looks amazing.
I was wondering what the distance is between pins 6 and 18 on your jig?
As you are getting such good results with your coil,it is probably a good place to start as you have done much of the hard work for us.Cheers.Jonny

[twinbeard]

Hi Jonny,

@Twinbeard.Thanks for all the great vids and updates
I think i am going to have a go at a starship coil as they look a lot easier to wind than the Rodin coil although i would like to try both as the levitation deal that Jamie,Rave and others have shown with the Rodin looks amazing.
I was wondering what the distance is between pins 6 and 18 on your jig?
As you are getting such good results with your coil,it is probably a good place to start as you have done much of the hard work for us.Cheers.Jonny

Thanx!

the coil when wound has an outer diameter of 3.875 inches. its about 3.5 after i folded the petals a bit. i would make the outer edge of the winding post holes at 3.875. One could even go smaller maybe, as the inner diameter of the torus shape formed is 1/2-5/8". With a 1/4' inch rotor like mine, a more concentrated field from the coil may be desirable. Similarly, I think the coil should likely be scaled

i think it is a combo of things that are allowing the results I am getting.
The starship coil concentrates the field in the center very well, and in a cylinder or beam opposed to a flat plane, as I understand the rodin creates.
that is one factor.

i think the small mass of the rotor helps in achieving the high rpms, and the additional motor action of the capacitive induction coil helps as well, both with raw speed and speed regulation.

Also, check out what this guy made:
YouTube - K0W0O0N0's Channel

Too cool.

Cheers,
Twinbeard

[kazm]

hey all found this channel a few days ago, some really great stuff, in this video he's using an unmodified PC fan motor hall-effect circuit hooked up to a starship coil which acts as a self-starting neo-ball spinner

YouTube - Rodin / starship Double Pulse Motor PC Fan Mod, (TEST16)

[twinbeard]

hey all found this channel a few days ago, some really great stuff, in this video he's using an unmodified PC fan motor hall-effect circuit hooked up to a starship coil which acts as a self-starting neo-ball spinner

YouTube - Rodin / starship Double Pulse Motor PC Fan Mod, (TEST16)

haha... let the fan hacking begin! not sure what would be better... hacking gain pots, recovery paths and such into the fan board, or replicating the dual pole drive mechanism in a bedini circuit.


he made another today as well:
YouTube - rwg42985's Channel

Cheers,
Twinbeard

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Spiral lash wrap Rodin coil.

I wound a 75 foot spool of bifilar solid Radio Shack, 26 gauge speaker wire into a spiral torus. This was a master stroke! The wire starts as a loop, then spirals around itself and resembles a cerimonial Celtic Tourqe. This is my version of the Pot Tart Rodin coil; A Ten minute wind. I placed the spinner cup into the air core and clocked it at around 20% higher r.p.m.s then when it was wound end to end and powerewd as a Bedini coil. I believe the poles are located on the inner edge of the torus and are rotating. I positioned the output coil overhead, with and without the magnets, and got >1 with the magnets in the output coil aircore. The output coil only generates power when the edge of the coil is over the center of the spinner tube, and about 3/4 of an inch above. This brings me back to my original design of the spinner inside the output coil. That's my next test! A Myth Buster "twist" on Marco's cabalistic hocus pocus. I think the spinner is spinning the magnet field in the output core.

[twinbeard]

I wound a 75 foot spool of bifilar solid Radio Shack, 26 gauge speaker wire into a spiral torus. This was a master stroke! The wire starts as a loop, then spirals around itself and resembles a cerimonial Celtic Tourqe. This is my version of the Pot Tart Rodin coil; A Ten minute wind. I placed the spinner cup into the air core and clocked it at around 20% higher r.p.m.s then when it was wound end to end and powerewd as a Bedini coil. I believe the poles are located on the inner edge of the torus are rotating. I positioned the output coil over head, with and without the magnets, and got >1 with the magnets in the output coil aircore. The output coil only generates power when the edge of the coil is over the center of the spinner tube, and about 3/4 of an inch above. This brings me back to my original design of the spinner inside the output coil. That's my next test! A Myth Buster "twist" on Marco's cabalistic hocus pocus. I think the spinner is spinning the magnet field in the output core.

Well, lets see some pictures of that puppy! I have noticed the "orbiting pole" effect before. When tuned properly, I have gotten a loose magnet to orbit with the field on the inner rim of the starship. On the wind, are you talking something along the lines of a mobius or a TPU like setup, where there is a core conductor with wraps around it? One wire, in this case tho?

Also, on your schottky feedback, I am not sure exactly how that is set up?

like this?
schottky
coil lead a1--------->|----------run batt +
coil lead a2----------------------run batt -

or is there a smoothing cap and or rectifier in there somewhere?


Cheers,
Twinbeard

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Swirl.

@Twinbeard,

First, I want to report on the Spiral Bedini. I started too large. I first looped the wire three or four times around a Tinker Toy cylinder, and got a finished spiral twice the diameter of my spinner cup. I got no results! Then I gave it a pretzel twist and squeezed the cup in the top loop and Voila! This morning I cinched the middle with a plastic tie to resemble a flat 8, and spun up on each end to new record speed. Top end for the carriage axel is around 20k. The no bearing spinner wouldn't start, but I am certain they would run up to top end with "Twinbeards" starter. The ceramic bearing mounted tube will finger spin to hundreds of r.p.m.'s, and takes off simply that way. My idea now involves a clover leaf pattern, maybe 4 carriages and a central spinner running off the same Bedini circuit. I would be willing to bet any amount of money that this simple spiral torus coil wrap performs at least as well as any of Marco Rodin's more complex and difficult designs. The twin magnetic pole interior core torus trick is all that Marco's complex pattern's accomplish. This wire spiral Torus Coil has practicly doubled the spin rate and cut input, without all Marco Rodin's Mumbo Jumbo!

The output coil has a start and finish lead. Testing for polarity with the multi-meter while the coil's generating power will (The minus sign on the voltage scale) show what lead to attach to the negative side of the electrolytic smoother capacitor. The diode connects between the positive lead and the other or positive end of the capacitor, with the cathode or striped side faceing the capacitor. Now, two leads run directly from the capacictor to the run battery, same pole to same pole. The positive one clips on the cap lead after the diode, and the negative to the other end. The cap instantly rises to the run battery voltage when these leads are attached. The diode and capacitor help rectify and smooth the low ripple a.c. to battery compatable d.c. I will get my photographer to return for more sanpshots soon. I'm stuck in the country with no camera or upload copier. It's just the two components and the two clip wires connected as I instructed. Very very simple!

@Update

Just hit 24.5K r.p.m. with the spiral speaker wire bifilar Bedini and 1" neo diametric tube magnet spinner !

[el-tigre]

Magnetic Neutral Point

Hey Syncro and Twinbeard great work you guys are doing

Check out this very old patent:
Wesley Gary's Magnetic Motor

And remember, this guy didn't have any modern electronic components to work with a century ago. Perhaps he was onto something trying to work with the magnetic neutral point. Something which we may be able to exploit using modern high speed switching and ultra low power pulse coil exciter apparatus. Just enough to wobble the permanent magnetic inside your pickup coils. Is this a resonance effect?

Brings to mind the paradox of the crystal radios. Crystal radio - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
A 1,000 watt transmitter can power an unlimited amount of crystal radios within range each producing say a microwatt of power.. things that make you go hmmm maybe you guys could benefit from some resonant tuning receiver coils etc. to boost your power recovery??

Keep on spinnin

[el-tigre]

commercial one magnet no bearing circuit working

haha... let the fan hacking begin! not sure what would be better... hacking gain pots, recovery paths and such into the fan board, or replicating the dual pole drive mechanism in a bedini circuit.

Cheers,
Twinbeard

The fan hacking HAS begun. Just for laughs, I pulled the blade assembly off a larger 48v fan and plugged it into a 16v transformer. Nothing else. I was able to self start rotation on a 3/4 neo sphere by dropping it into a plastic pill bottle and circling the 4 exposed coils at different heights. I found a sweet spot in between 2 coils about 1 inch distant on the outside of the assembly at about the height of the top of the coil. It self started rotation and spun up to a few hundred rpm.

Now all somebody needs to do is pull the coils off and mess with positioning them for optimum effect or replacing them with custom coils etc.

I suggest you could make this work quite well with a diametrically magnetized cylinder or a sphere if you used 2 of the coils oriented opposite each other and spun your magnet between them at the optimal distance. Then just put your pickup coils all around the contraption and see what kind of a generator you have built. After that it's a matter of tuning for lowest power consumption and highest generator coil output.

Good hunting everyone.

[jonnydavro]

Fan Hacking

Hi.I tried a bit of fan hacking today with some interesting results.I stripped the circuit board from a 12v pc fan and removed the stator.The circuit was not as complex as RWG42985 circuit board shown in the vid link Kazm posted above as there was no circuit controller chip which i think is a big bonus with regards to autostarting and amp draw but i tried it on a Bedini coil without much luck so i removed the coil and put two leds with 100 ohm resistors in place of the bedini coil to see the switching and found that one led stayed lit when the hall was switched which is not what we want so i left the led which stays lit in the circuit and added a 100k pot to the 100 ohm resistor and replaced the other led with a coil of 22swg wire and that would spin sphere's up to many thousands of rpms on about 150mA which is way to high but i suppose i could have just used a standalone hall sensor but i think my circuit board is damaged as i would have expected the outputs to toggle so i will source another fan and try again as a ready made twin pulse circuit is a great find along with the increased rpm's and torque.Jonny.

[twinbeard]

@Twinbeard,
The output coil has a start and finish lead. Testing for polarity with the multi-meter while the coil's generating power will (The minus sign on the voltage scale) show what lead to attach to the negative side of the electrolytic smoother capacitor. The diode connects between the positive lead and the other or positive end of the capacitor, with the cathode or striped side faceing the capacitor. Now, two leads run directly from the capacictor to the run battery, same pole to same pole. The positive one clips on the cap lead after the diode, and the negative to the other end. The cap instantly rises to the run battery voltage when these leads are attached. The diode and capacitor help rectify and smooth the low ripple a.c. to battery compatable d.c. I will get my photographer to return for more sanpshots soon. I'm stuck in the country with no camera or upload copier. It's just the two components and the two clip wires connected as I instructed. Very very simple!

OK, got it, thanks! I have several schottky half wave bridges like the regular half wave bridges I am using in the Bedini circuit. Do you think tapping both + and - out of the coil into that, and taking the tops of both waves would work better, with the bridge output towards the positive of the cap/battery?

This is on my list of experiments to do (one of of the larger rotor machines once I am done cleaning that up), but I wanted to get your opinion.

@Update

Just hit 24.5K r.p.m. with the spiral speaker wire bifilar Bedini and 1" neo diametric tube magnet spinner !

Nice!!


Cheers,
Twinbeard

[twinbeard]

Hey Syncro and Twinbeard great work you guys are doing

Check out this very old patent:
Wesley Gary's Magnetic Motor

And remember, this guy didn't have any modern electronic components to work with a century ago. Perhaps he was onto something trying to work with the magnetic neutral point. Something which we may be able to exploit using modern high speed switching and ultra low power pulse coil exciter apparatus. Just enough to wobble the permanent magnetic inside your pickup coils. Is this a resonance effect?

Brings to mind the paradox of the crystal radios. Crystal radio - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
A 1,000 watt transmitter can power an unlimited amount of crystal radios within range each producing say a microwatt of power.. things that make you go hmmm maybe you guys could benefit from some resonant tuning receiver coils etc. to boost your power recovery??

Keep on spinnin

Hey Thanx, el-tigre! The radio tuner concept contributed to the transformer type setup of my latest pickup coil with the variable cap. There are still several permutations I need to test with that setup. I will also set some time aside to study that patent you linked to...

Till then, a new video addressing a few different points:
YouTube - The Art of the Scrounge and other Meditations

Cheers,
Twinbeard

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Output coil.

@Twinbeard,

Yes. I think your half wave bridge would do better.

@El-Tigre,

I was deeply inspired by Wesley Gary's research and inventions. The same DPDT current reversing switch circuit, used in Gary's neutral zone generator and his motor, powers Art Porter's magnetic neutralization motor coil. One way, 3x the power, the other zero! I belive Art's motor is many times overunity as were Wesley's concepts. The problem with Gary's generator is that no one ever reported witnessing a working model. Lester Hendershot got the solenoid from a door bell ringer to osscilate a stator inside the neutral zone of a horseshoe magnet like Garys. A Piezo resister between the magnet and armature might work. I have a sketch book of a score of designs, all of which would create chatter.

You might take a look at Joe Tate's ambient power module. Joe's circuit generates power from radio waves, like the earphone in the crystal set. I built one that used my sailboat mast for an antenna, and the metal keel as a ground that ran my digital clock. Cell phones use this kind of circuit to chagre in Wi-Fi zones now.