One magnet no bearing Bedini motor

[Lidmotor]

TOP satellites

Lidmotor what a refreshing take on this subject. Not only should we be going in the more out then in but you have taken the efficiency to the next level. I do like the solar option seeing that if we can get more running on such little draw with a renewable source it would make it green to boot! Awesome job!



@Lid did you try the new way to run satalites on that? or is it too small of a field to link to?

@Jbignes5-----I tried satellite spinners with the TOP CHARGER and so far have had no luck. The top does not spin very fast and the magnet inside the top is too far away to influence anything. I just got some small neo sphere magnets in the mail like Jonny is using and will do some testing with them. Getting those near the coil should spin them up.

Lidmotor

[Xenomorph]

Satellite Rotors findings

@ Jonnydavro and Bill:

I have aquired some magnetic spheres
6mm N45s and 5mm N40s

My initial test was targetted towards getting concrete numbers on the generation side using pick-up coils.
The voltages were small, which is due to the small size of the magnet.
Way below 1 Volt on average even.
So the only way to increase the output here is to build a huge pick-up system
and hope that it wont exert too much of a Lenz drag when used to power stuff.

Here is a video of it: YouTube - SatelliteRotors


Also i tried something else than pots, i used PVC tubes.
Couldnt get them to work though yet, because i think the coil is stalling the magnet once it becomes magnetized, just because it is too close to the magnet sphere the way i put it into the tube.



EDIT: I can make it work above the main rotor.

Here is a little video of it in action : YouTube - PVCTubeAction

[jonnydavro]

@Jbignes5.Hi.I am having a lot of fun with this and have lost count of how many times i have said wow in the last week.Every time i mess with it,something new shows up so lets see what we can do with this.I totally agree on the magnet coupling between the main rotor and satellites and the satellites are solely resposible for lighting the Led.My next test will be to see if i can get some more satellites spinning and i have got another 38 today but no spare time till later this week to try but i feel lucky.Thanks for your kind comments and shareing your theories and ideas. Regards Jonny.
@Xenomorph.You have got that up and running very quickly.Nice job.
I don't think you have much hope off recovering significant voltage using one aircore coil.The rotor is only passing the coil once per revolution and as the orbit is so wide the frequency of generation is low so your alternator type winding is far better suited for recovery with the wide orbiting satellite.
Have you seen my latest vid with the self starting stationary satellite?This is very efficient at energy recovery and you might want to try that.Intresting you got some 5mm sphere's and N45's.How do they compare 5mm to 6mm?
Are you using a core in your One mag Bedini?I am aircore.
Thanks for spending time and money on this,i hope you are having as much fun as me. Regards jonny
@Lidmotor.I did not have much luck with larger sphere's.I think they have to be small so thet can react quick to the changing magnetic field but i think it will work with your top.Hope you get it going regards jonny.

[Xenomorph]

@Jonnydavro:
I agree , alternator pickup is the only way to go with slow rotations.

I think the insane speed of the magnets rotating inside coils can be made use of.
How fast does the sphere rotate that lights the lid? i guess pretty fast.

At the moment i use a welding rod core, since i tried for the last 2 weeks to get that piggyback-coil thing going that fusionship has described



But it was a waste of time and money. The voltage is about 0.30 Volt at 3.6 Volts source battery and that is with a coil that matches exactly the specs that he stated: 500 g coil weight 0,2 mm wire and i have put 6800 turns on there.
I also tried 0,8 mm wire , 1400 turns and 1 whole kg of wire to get a higher current, but that didnt help too.
So the fact that he gets 50+ Volt out of his and 15 mA at 12V source led me to assume that his coil contains radioactive materials without him knowing
Also because no-one has been able to replicate his (like his brother).

Anyway, so you go aircore on your main coil? Does that still give you charging off the collector?

The 5 and 6mm dont make much of a difference, speed maxima are really giving those voltage peaks.

I will try to replicate you latest vid and see what i can come up with
So you just put a magnet spere in that egg and it started to rotate by itself or is it just vibrating?

[jonnydavro]

@Xenomorph.You can improove your voltage output by puting the sphere in a smaller container so the orbit is small but fast.The plastic egg is a good example.You should see the speed it goes in that when you give it a little shake to set it spinning and that will light an led too.
The stationary satelite is spinning as i have lost a few as they flew about my kitchen.
To get it to self start and spin on the spot.Place the sphere in an egg about 5" away from your coil and then spin the main rotor.The initial woblyness off the main rotor is what starts the satellites.once the rotor is going you can start more by holding them above the main rotor.
I am using aircore as the main rotor seems more stable at the voltage and speed i am running at and there is no attraction between satellites and core and it still charges.Regards jonny

[Xenomorph]

Rotor inside egg

@Jonnydavro:

YouTube - RotorEgg

Very weird, i cant measure any induction although the little sphere is rotating inside the egg like crazy.
But that is also how you do it right ?

I will try different pickup positions maybe.

EDIT: Okay i have positioned the pickup coil now perpendicular to the egg and voila it outperforms the big plastic pots.
The average voltage is about half a volt with peaks of up to 0.8 Volt.
So by placing two coils from 2 sides very close to the egg you can get 1 Volt off that egg.

10 eggs will add up to 10 Volts (not under load though), hard to say how much it will be under load.
It all depends on your coil of course. I used a 2000 turn coil. So if you have a 4k or 5k turn coil it will be even better
Guess that calls to be tried out now hehe.

Cheers,
Xenomorph

[Jbignes5]

hmmm

@Xeno I am having a hard time understanding why your magnets are in a wide rotation unlike Jonnys. weird.

@Jonny Your satalites are smooth running axially spinning right? I understand the excitement you are feeling since you and others like Xeno keep us well informed by Videos we too are just as excited lol.
I started to read a pdf about the rotoverter and harmonics used to get more out then input-> OU. I wonder if with the higher speed spinning of the sphere mags could be utilizing some form of phased harmonics to attain higher rpms. One of the videos actually showed that the spheres would shift like to a higher pitch and I am thinking that has something to do with what you are doing as well.
The vortex connection or link up is definetly what is going on by mine and your observations. Now we just need to know if there is a limit to the connections made to the bigger rotor mag. Also do you think the satalites are super rotating like harmonically? Or would that have to be in direct center of the drive coil like the other videos about the 150-300k variety?

[jonnydavro]

@Xenomorph.I have just watched your Rotor egg video and you won't be able to induce voltage with the coil in that position with an orbiting magnet like you have in the egg.You have to turn it 90 degree's but i think you have found that out.If it was stationary satellite then that position would work but like me,you have positioned the egg for stability when the best position for it is with the stationary magnet directly over the windings.If you look back a couple of posts i posted a picture of my egg rotor.The magnet in the picture is spinning like crazy but it does not move from that position.This is due to the shape of the lid which is slightly conical with a hole in the bottom.I tried to post pictures of the eggs i am using here but have run out off attachment space so i posted them at overunity.Also i try to keep my main rotor as still as possible so that the magnetic field is evenly distributed around the centre platform so multiple satellites all sit in a stable field.This may be stopping you from getting a stable spinner.
What voltage are you running the One mag Bedini on?Regards jonny
@Jbignes.Hi.The shape of Xenomorph's pots and i think he is probably using a higher voltage than me are whats causing the eratic orbit.Mine do exactly the same if i turn the pot the right way up.If you look at the vid and picks you will see i am running them tops down.They spin in a flat trajectory this way. Regards jonny

[jonnydavro]

Hi.As i am the only one with a stable satellite magnet i thought it may be best if i measure the pickup coil output from one stable spinner and it is 7.54v ac.Here is a pic.regards jonny
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/4773/acvoltage754v.jpg

How do i get this pic to show up?I have run out of attachment space.

[Xenomorph]

@Jonny: To compare our values, can you maybe measure that also after a bridge rectifier?
Or i will measure the AC (not true AC i know) right off the coil wires if i can stabilize it hehe.

Ah and i run at 3.8 Volt source voltage, you were right that this speeds the rotors more up than yours.
But i had to go that high with the voltage because i have not been able to start the circuit with lower
voltages for an inexplicable reason.
I will get some better potentiometers, i think mine are of very low quality sometimes even not functioning right.


Have you tried to PM Aaron to give you more attachment space?
I mean, you are an important contributor to this forum and you are not a spammer, so you
deserve to be able to post attachments illustrating your fascinating experiments .

[Lidmotor]

Satellite Magnet Rotors-- THEY WORK!!!!!

I got the satellite magent rotors to work using the 3/8" spheres that I just got. The best part was that they spin up inside a coil of 30 ga wire and make an LED light up---from 6" away. This is neat stuff.

YouTube - Satellite Magnet Rotors

Lidmotor

[jonnydavro]

@Xenomorph.I have just done a quick test with a bridge rectifier and it is reading 8.05v DC.
Strange you can't go below 3.8v.Pots may sort it or maybe one in series with the coil.I think its important to stabilise your rotor though,Can you take your core out?
I will try asking Aaron.Thanks for that.
@Lidmotor.I new you would get it going.I think there are lots of posibilities with this.Try spinning you rotor without the battery and the small sphere still spins up and lights the led.I think this could be a new type of generator and be used in wind turbines and even powered by fixed rotor motors.I hope you are having fun Lid,it sure looks like it .What voltage are you getting of your pickup coil and if you tape a piece of cardboard to each side you will have a self contained generator.Thanks for the stability tip.Regards jonny

[Jbignes5]

Well well...

@Lidmotor Yet another that proves there is a linking mechanism between the satalites and the main rotor. Great! I knew it would work from all the experiments that the guys were doing here and it goes to show you how potentially powerful that link can become. I suspect you are right in your assumption that you can use multiple satalites not only 2d wise around the rotor but 3d as well. Meaning that if you configure the satalites with enough space in between not only could you link to the main rotor but each satalite could link to eachother as well. This, I would think, can make a resonate network stabilizing all of them. Think of a half of a buckminster fuller ball upside down like network (geodesic dome) or to put it simply a soccer ball cut in half upside down. Lets say you could fit 10 or so on the first level then 6-7 on the next and maybe 4 for the last all with pickup coils around them. Imagine the generation you could get from that.
Concidering your input that is impressive OU!

Ok the next question should be this: Jonny is this scalable? Could you make it bigger if you had to? Bigger main coil, bigger main rotor and bigger satalites with coils of course? Not to big but big enough to get something good out from as little input as possible?

[tai61]

help!

anybody can you help me source some of those diametrically opp. cylinder mags , have looked everywhere on google,but no leads.my haematite just dosent cut it for the the satalites, any assistance appreciated.

[Mark]

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