One magnet no bearing Bedini motor

[el-tigre]

[QUOTE=jonnydavro;57600]Hi.Today i did an experiment which was suggested to me by MoonSpySudio's.This was to fill my El-tigre satellite with water and see if the two sphere's could overcome the inertia of the water and create a vortex well it can and does.Here is a vid.
YouTube - One magnet no bearing Bedini. Vortex test

Nice experiment Jonny, that is a significant amount of physical resistance to overcome, so there must be some real torque being produced on the satellite.

Now here is a thought, some years ago, I read about a generator that used liquid mercury as the conductor pumped through a magnetic field. I wonder if a test tube of mercury (maybe something safer to work with like ferro magnetic fluid) would become a generator if a magnet was spun within the fluid. Acids, bases and saltwater tend to conduct, so maybe a vinegar or heavy salt water solution or baking soda dissolved in water, might do to prove the concept or perhaps a plating solution of copper or chrome might work

Now to take off the power you might have to insert a conductor at the top and bottom of the fluid. Perhaps some variation of this might make an effective remote generator. Your multi satellite tests seem to indicate that you could operate multiple copies of this contraption which might lead to interesting cumulative results when all the voltage and current was combined.

Device of micro vortex for ferrofluid power generator - US Patent 7105935 Abstract

maybe this is the path we are on but with a simpler apparatus for making it work

Keep thinking outside the box (tube in this case)

I was snooping around a magnet supplier site and saw a cylinder that has an attraction force of 1/2 ton. I wonder how far a flux field we could project with that rascal. And how many and large satellites you could operate with it. I.E. a couple of watts used to drive the mega magnet might permit hundreds of satellites/ ferrofluid generators. Things that make you go hmmmmm.

[synchro]

Output to source timing magnet.

Jonnydavro has struck upon an ideal improved solution for the kind of back pulse timing circuit that John Bedini's patent runs with a belt drive from his main rotor. Bedini found continuous intermitent back pulse caused problems with eddy currents, so he improved the technique, staggering the back pulse with the addition of a belt driven timing wheel. I didn't go into this in my last post on Output to Source, to avoid confusion. Jonnydavro has triggered a reed switch with a tiny spherical magnet running around in circles at the base of the output coil. Imagine the advantages here, varying the circumferences, to set the frequency and the absence of heat loss from friction. We need to acknowledge the momentous nature of Jonnydavro's innovative discovery. This really solves a series of extremely complex problems. Once again, thanks to Jonnydavro!

[el-tigre]

Lidmotor has struck upon an ideal improved soloution for the kind of back pulse timing circuit that John Bedini's patent runs with a belt drive from his main rotor. Bedini found continuous intermitant back pulse caused problems with eddy currents, so he improved the technique, staggering the back pulse with the addition of a belt driven timing wheel. I didn't go into this in my last post on Output to Source, to avoid confusion. Lidmotor has triggered a reed switch with a tiny spherical magnet running around in circles at the base of the output coil. Imagine the advantages here, varying the circumferences, to set the frequency and the absence of heat loss from friction. We need to acknowledge the momentus nature of Lidmotors inovative discovery. This really solves a series of extremely complex problems. Once again, thanks to Lidmotor!

I agree Lidmotor's apparatus can work to provide a timed switch mechanism, you could even put 2 reed switches beside each other, one to disconnect the source battery from the drive coil and the other to almost instantly connect the charge (recovery) batteries to the source battery. When the timing magnet goes out of range, the reeds would switch back and reestablish both drive coil power supply and charging.

Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems more logical to me to simply use all generated voltage to charge a 3rd battery or capacitor bank and then use some sort of voltage triggered switching mechanism to exchange it with the supply battery when the low voltage set point is reached. Isn't the challenge you are trying to solve that supply batteries can't be both charged and discharged at the same time? So why fight it, just charge up another battery and switch it for the discharged one and repeat as necessary. This seems like a more normalized charge/discharge cycle and if you used relatively fast charging batteries like the new fast lithium Toshiba launches fast-charging lithium ion battery: Digital Photography Review or rechargable alkaline or lithium nickel manganese MIT develops new fast-charging battery technology ideal for automobiles or super caps, you may be able to beat this thing?

[JohnnBlade]

magnetic vibration needed with as low power possible

Hi All,

Just a question, is it possible to run a coil of only 1 1.5v battery and using an inverter to make sure i get that vibrating feeling of the magnets comming close to the drive coil.

cause sofare im still using an adaptor to test, and i want to run it of batteries or atleast 1 battery, when i now use 1,2 or 3 batteries i only get normal magnetic attraction of my coil, and when using my adaptor, i get the magnetic atraction with vibrations on the rotor magnets, whats makes the spin.

for now im getting more power 2.7v , from my receiving coil, its wound arround a pen with about 300 windings, and its much smaller and stronger force then my 1e 2 coils i made

Greets JB

[synchro]

@El-Tigre-Nothing wrong with additional batteries, unless you want to save space. A PNP transistor wired between the start of the run coil and the positive pole of the run battery, along with a more powerful NPN in series between the capacitor and the run battery with a diode attached, triggered by a Hall effect transistor, connected to the battery, and triggered by the revolving magnet should work as well too. The revolving magnet generates a small current in the Hall effect transistor, turning both transistors on silmaltaniously, cutting the power to the pulse coil and dumping the capacitor charge into the source battery at any selected interval, depending on the circumference of the revolving magnet orbit. This should charge the source battery as it runs the spinning magnet. A load would have to be introduced to keep the source battery from exploding, like a Joule thief and CFL. This also eliminates the need for any switching between batteries. Jonnydavro pointed out it was he who made the reed switch orbiting magnet discovery. Sorry Jonnydavro, I went back and edited that out. Also, I adapted the PNP NPN arrangement from the Nieves Oliveras and Xenomorphlabs schematic at Overunity. It also occurred to me that a resister would help retard the charge release between the Hall effect transistor and the Capacitor discharge transistor, allowing for a brief lapse between the power cutoff and the capacitor discharge to smooth the dovetailing.

[Pirate88179]

Trying to keep up....

I am having trouble trying to keep up with you guys here. I found a plastic tube that is about .030" larger ID than my magnet's OD. I had to take apart my plate set-up because my local Radio Shack is out of mag. wire. So, I removed my iron core from this and will give this a go hopefully tomorrow. I have many neo spheres and will try one first and then 2 like Jonny is doing.

Keep up your great work everyone and I will keep trying to keep up.



Bill

[el-tigre]

I have many neo spheres and will try one first and then 2 like Jonny is doing.



Bill

You will have better luck with 2 spheres Bill because one will just flip over on you and zap to the bottom of your tube if you are trying to levitate it with a magnet glued to the bottom of the tube. Removing your iron core should help you get things going and stabilized.

keep testing

[JohnnBlade]

Sphere with stator magnet for control over sphere

@JonnyDavro, El Tigre and Others,

has anyone else tried with an extra stator magnet so you can control speed, direction, and vibration for amps

cause im testing at a real smale scale max 0.5mm/6mm sphere. and tiny coil.

the stator magnet i gues should be atleast twice the size of the rotor/sphere magnet

Greets JB

[el-tigre]

@JonnyDavro, El Tigre and Others,

has anyone else tried with an extra stator magnet so you can control speed, direction, and vibration for amps

cause im testing at a real smale scale max 0.5mm/6mm sphere. and tiny coil.

the stator magnet i gues should be atleast twice the size of the rotor/sphere magnet

Greets JB

Hi JB,

I'm not quite sure what you are describing? Can you explain a little more...

Anytime I have tried to control the rotor with another magnet, it produces too much instability and you end up attracting the rotor out of a stable orbit. In my set-up (pictured in a previous post) I use a small flat washer under a glass plate to attract and hold the spinning rotor in place above the coil. This works very well to stabilize the rotor and force it to spin in one place. I control the RPM and charge rate by slowly lowering a generator pick-up coil on a drawbridge rig down over the spinning sphere rotor. The Lenz effect will slow the rotor and govern the charge rate but you need to go very slowly or you will drag your rotor out of it's stable spin. Have a look at my set-up above. It works pretty well to govern this motor in a purely mechanical way.

[JohnnBlade]

Bedini magnetic sphere fine tunned

Hi JB,

I'm not quite sure what you are describing? Can you explain a little more...

Anytime I have tried to control the rotor with another magnet, it produces too much instability and you end up attracting the rotor out of a stable orbit. In my set-up (pictured in a previous post) I use a small flat washer under a glass plate to attract and hold the spinning rotor in place above the coil. This works very well to stabilize the rotor and force it to spin in one place. I control the RPM and charge rate by slowly lowering a generator pick-up coil on a drawbridge rig down over the spinning sphere rotor. The Lenz effect will slow the rotor and govern the charge rate but you need to go very slowly or you will drag your rotor out of it's stable spin. Have a look at my set-up above. It works pretty well to govern this motor in a purely mechanical way.

maybe this tells more then words, YouTube - one magnet no bearing Bedini self starting 1 stator control part 2 JB

i think to explain, its like the vibrating magnetic vortex (main coil), can make an static magnetic vortex be non static till a certain point whereby it becomes static again because its stronger (the stator is atleast 2x bigger), but when moving the stator magnet you can make it vibrate/unstable (like spinning and going down a vortex where by it goes faster and faster) , and that unstableness creates more stable amps and when the sphere is spinning high speed stable it creates stable low voltage but less amps.

Greets JB

[jonnydavro]

Hi.I was going to convert a solar garden lamp i have to a bedini motor which would just sit in my garden hopefully running for 24 hours a day so instead off winding a small coil i thought i would take a relay apart and use that coil with an extra winding wrapped on,anyway when i took the relay coil out of the relay,it had an 8mm hole where the core had been so i put the garden Bedini on hold and thought i would try it as a satellite.
At first,the 6mm neo sphere was not very stable inside the coil.It would spin around inside the hole but not smoothly and it would stop quite easy but the voltage it generated was high so I then filled the hole with water and plugged both ends.This had the effect of dampening the unwanted oscillations of the sphere in such a small hole and it then ran nice and stable.I had noticed that adding water as a damper to some other satellites i had been testing was benificial.
This satellite relay coil is producing 34volts DC.Here are some pics.
@Synchro and El-tigre.Hi.It was me who posted about the revolving magnet triggering the read switch,disconnecting the battery and backpopping it.Regards jonny.

Imageshack - pickupcoil34v.jpg - Uploaded by jonnydavro
Imageshack - relaycoil.jpg - Uploaded by jonnydavro
Imageshack - waterfilledcoil.jpg - Uploaded by jonnydavro

[Xenomorph]

@Jonnnydavro:

Very nice ! Out of what device did you rip that relay coil out?
Do you remember?

Regards,
Xenomorph

[el-tigre]

maybe this tells more then words, YouTube - one magnet no bearing Bedini self starting 1 stator control part 2 JB


Greets JB

Hi JB, your video is too dark to see what is going on, if you reshoot it with a bright light overhead, we can try to see where you are going with your experiment and make some suggestions to try and help.

Keep on testing

[JohnnBlade]

rotor magnet fine tuned by stator magnet

Hi JB, your video is too dark to see what is going on, if you reshoot it with a bright light overhead, we can try to see where you are going with your experiment and make some suggestions to try and help.

Keep on testing

Hi El Tigre,

I made this vid for you, with some more light
hope you can see what i mean with the stator controlling/fine tunning the sphere.

YouTube - one magnet no bearing Bedini self starting 1 stator control part 3 - JB - i reuploaded the vid (1e one did not work)



and this was my first test with a stator magnet controlling the sphere
to turn left or right.
YouTube - One magnet no bearing self starting bedini with control turning left or right and speedcontrol JB


have you maybe had a chance to test your rotor magnet, with a stator magnet to fine tune the rotor ?

Greets JB

[el-tigre]

Hi El Tigre,

I made this vid for you, with some more light
hope you can see what i mean with the stator controlling/fine tunning the sphere.

YouTube - one magnet no bearing Bedini self starting 1 stator control part 3 - JB - i reuploaded the vid (1e one did not work)



and this was my first test with a stator magnet controlling the sphere
to turn left or right.
YouTube - One magnet no bearing self starting bedini with control turning left or right and speedcontrol JB


have you maybe had a chance to test your rotor magnet, with a stator magnet to fine tune the rotor ?

Greets JB

Thx JB, now we can see what you are up to and it's very interesting. By containing your rotor in a tube, you can hold its orbit while you manipulate the magnetic fields with your stator magnet. This is definitley worth more study and experimentation. I can't test anything right now as I'm packing to move but I would like to test this out on a bigger rotor set up some time to record the effects on the generator coil output. You might also try your experiment with just a piece of metal in place of your stator magnet. I suspect your stator magnet is segmented and has a Halbach effect on your rotor which may explain your ability to cause it to stop and reverse directions of rotation. That is very interesting as is the levitation effect. Perhaps a number of stator magnets could be arranged around your rotor set up and you might actually be able to get it to rotate within a magnetic field like the Levitron but under power. That would seriously reduce friction and increase rotation speed which theoretically should increase generator output. Good stuff, keep on testing