One magnet no bearing Bedini motor

[JohnnBlade]

Hi All,

my sphere is still running, on same batteries now almost 2 days.
twice it stopped, but that is cause of the friction, scraping small particals of my sphere, and then the small oil could make it stop, whereby i have to clean the tube (greyish oily substance) and then start the sphere again.

mostly during night i have 2.57v, then late at night 2.56v
and now this afternoon my batteries are 2.58v

from the coil L3 and solar i have collected 4.3v in caps
that kinda for now looks like its charging my batteries

im using my 2e charging circuit, but i have some new ideas that i can test by using an opto-isolator

Greets JB

[Xenomorph]

@JohnnBlade:
Good to see you doing this experiment!
The important question is what is your current draw of the battery?

EDIT: Ah you are not trying a solitary self-runner, you have added a solar panel ?

[JohnnBlade]

@JohnnBlade:
Good to see you doing this experiment!
The important question is what is your current draw of the battery?

EDIT: Ah you are not trying a solitary self-runner, you have added a solar panel ?

Hi Xenomorph,

the current draw is about 4 ma, at 2.57v, and i have already added the solar panel.

im now placing my circuit on a nice kitching cutting board, so i can clean things up, cause i think with all these crocodile clips, the voltage, amps are being used more

and how are you doing ?

Greets JB

[Xenomorph]

Process

@JohnnBlade:

It is self-running at 4mA? But well the solar panel is feeding 90% of the current into the battery-backpath.
However it is great to have a self-running device using various technologies even solar.

I am in the process of making a new coil which will produce a higher induced voltage on the secondary winding due to a 6 times higher turn-count and half the diameter of my current coil.
I believe the key factor of this circuit is the main coil after all.
The thinner wire diameter will also allow me to run the circuit at a lower amp-draw i believe. So i am looking forward to experimenting with the new
coil.

I have tried levitated satellite spheres using pyrolytic graphite but the rotation speed is not outperforming unlevitated efforts PLUS the lifting magnet interferes with the main magnet and that is sooo undesirable that i have come to the conclusion that i wont go deeper into this in regards to the one magnet motor application. The magnetic axis alingment is also highly suboptimal for picking the energy up with coils in my opinion.

Regards,
Xenomorph

[JohnnBlade]

Hi All,

@JohnnBlade:

It is self-running at 4mA?
sometimes it selfstarts, for sofare that i have notished is that when i hookup a bigger battery pack it does selfstart (could that be that there is tomuch current, and the transistor T1 opens it self - cause of some high peak comming in, shocking the sphere to move and then starts ?)
but amps are mostly between 4 and 4.5ma, and peaks of 5ma sometimes

my disk rotor used about 0.20ma

But well the solar panel is feeding 90% of the current into the battery-backpath.
However it is great to have a self-running device using various technologies even solar.
sofare i did not have to recharge my batteries, and lowest i have seen sofare is 2.56v(at night), 2.57 avg, from bright sunlight the batteries read 2.58.

my caps are mostly loaded up to 3.10v uptill 4.15v - C1,C2,C3


I am in the process of making a new coil which will produce a higher induced voltage on the secondary winding due to a 6 times higher turn-count and half the diameter of my current coil.
I believe the key factor of this circuit is the main coil after all.

is your main coil like my L1 coil(the receiving coil, or the sending coil (L2))
my L1 coil is thinner then my L2 coil?


The thinner wire diameter will also allow me to run the circuit at a lower amp-draw i believe. So i am looking forward to experimenting with the new
coil.

for all i know and seen, is that i use thin coil for L1, and bigger coil for L2
and that the L2 coil does not have to be big, but strong enough to push a magnet, and for the L1 coil i think as much is good cause catching all energy from the magnet, and switching on T1 again.

I have tried levitated satellite spheres using pyrolytic graphite
ill bet only seing a magnet levitate is some good fun on this pyrolitic
but on pyrolytic i think you would need to hook up like 2 small wires to the top and bottom of the magnet to make it turn at yr own speed (i think something like a bipolar motor if im right ?). only turning it and levitating will slow down in time - so some small power is need to keep them turning

but the rotation speed is not outperforming unlevitated efforts PLUS the lifting magnet interferes with the main magnet and that is sooo undesirable that i have come to the conclusion that i wont go deeper into this in regards to the one magnet motor application. The magnetic axis alingment is also highly suboptimal for picking the energy up with coils in my opinion.

do you mean that your levitating magnet is a satelite and a rotor is turning it ? if so try to use the levitating magnet as the main rotor, and i can say that when using a stator magnet you can and will improve speed (but that takes time to find the right spot cause its all 3D)

now my Bedini is not runing im rewireing all, and setting it up more nicely
and today i build 2 extra joule thiefs for the circuit that ill be testing 2morrow

Question:i run my circuit at 2.57v, and i want my circuit to run on 1 battery only (i think Lidmotor has that) so thats why i made some extra joule thiefs, i measured while testing with 2 batteries, and my circuit behaves normal and so does T1, when i remove 1 battery, and hook up
the battery to the joule thief, and then joule thief to my circuit
i get readings of 2ma flowing through, while nothing is running (1e i thought it was shortcircuit somewhere) (and i did a test with that joule thief, and 3 leds only without the bedini and i measured about 60ma flowing through) but when i removed the joule thief again, and used 2 batteries my circuit and measurement was good again and showing all 0 on meters.so how come i can not yet run it of this joule thief

sofare for me selfstarting is not good anymore, cause that means there is current the whole time on the circuit, you could place a switch between L1-a wire and L2-a
then click it and a peak will selfstart it. (works mostly for me, but not all the time)



Regards,
Xenomorph

i have not been able to make any vids yet cause im still using the 2 batteries from my cam for my Bedini


im wundering how JonnDavro, and Lidmotor are doing

Greets JB

[jonnydavro]

Hi.I have been thinking about the dead spot on the coils and i thought that the suspended rotor idea could be adapted to negate the dead spot.
I have done a few tests and this is what i came up with.It is a twin magnet rotor with both north poles facing in the same direction.The magnets are mounted on a shaft so as to align with the coil windings and miss the centre and it seems to work quite well and is very stable.The speed is fast and amp draw low and i can run satellites at a greater distance than with the single magnet.
Another interesting thing was that when the rotor is going fast and i move it towards the coil,the amp draw goes negative for a couple of seconds.You can see this on the vid and i have taken a pic of this which i enclose.
I know this rotor is using two magnets but it is somthing else to try.
@jonnyblade.Hi.I am still beavering away JB and following all the great stuff that you and the rest of the guys are sharing with us.
On a side note,i use a program called circuit maker student edition for circuit design.It is free and very easy to use so you might want to give that a try. Regards jonny

YouTube - One magnet Bedini motor with twin magnet rotor.
Imageshack - twinmagnetrotor - Uploaded by jonnydavro
Imageshack - negativeampdraw1 - Uploaded by jonnydavro

[JohnnBlade]

Hi All,

@JonnDavro: thnx for the advice, ill will try that software out


today all i got my new volt record, input about 2.6v output 31v
its my new joulethief doing that and hooking up in a weird way not like normal that boosted my voltage about 10x

see the vid here, i think youtube is still making the vid quality better
so wait a little so you can see it better

YouTube - One magnet No Bearing Bedini motor - 2.6v in - 31v out - JB

Greets JB

[el-tigre]

apparatus design

Hey Jonny,

Thanks for noting my earlier design mods with a suspended top way back in the posts. My later experiments showed great promise with a magnetic constriction of the rotor to hold it in place over the coil. Great stuff with the twin magnet design rotor, I had been thinking about this type of design myself and I think you are on to something there. How many more neos can you stack up to before inertia gets the better of the system? It seems logical that more neos in a stack will power more satellites for greater power generation.

My latest idea along these lines is in the attached pic. and I hope someone has a chance to try it Basically if you sharpen the core of your coil, the neo sphere will attract to the point and be held in place. My experiments suggest that the point of the core will need to be offset all the way to the side of the coil core for optimum performance due to the dead spot.

I had the best luck starting the sphere spinning by twirling it inside a plastic pipe about 3" diameter by 1" high located just off center of the coil and when the sphere spins up guide it over the metal core until it links up magnetically then you can remove the plastic guide and start experimenting.

I hope someone tries this out as I had very good results with my initial tests but I have had to pack up my gear and can't continue experimenting just now but great fun following your experiments...

[jonnydavro]

Hi.I decided to extend the twin magnet rotor and add a third magnet at one end to see if i could extend the magnetic field by interlocking the fields off the top and bottom magnets and i tested the field with an orbiting satellite as it is quite good at showing the extent off the field and the satellite would spin all the way from the bottom magnets to a height above the top magnet.Here is a pic of the rotor and a vid off the test.Regards jonny
Imageshack - extendedrotor - Uploaded by jonnydavro

YouTube - One magnet Bedini Motor Extended magnetic field test.

[JohnnBlade]

Hi All,

@JonnDavro: Great work again and again, what You showed us in a way is
that our projects can match eachother, cause your rotor makes sphere's turn from a bigger distance now, and im working on getting the most from these sphere's (1 sofare for me) so how much could we produce from all when its all hooked up together, i would like to see what comes out of that since im only using a small tube so space is saved

i will try to make a new circuit drawing tomorrow, on how i get that 40.1v (i already added it as an attachment)
i know its my new joule thief, and hooking it up in another way then a normal joule thief, maybe a Bedini JB Joule thief :P

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when i would run on normal batteries, without my "charging circuit" my sphere would stop/stall within an hour or even minutes.

now that i have cleaned up my wires, and using the "recharge circuit" again without solar. my sphere has now being going non stop for 4 hours
and batteries (not recharable) are still hanging in there without my sphere stalling

i have seen some moments whereby my sphere will speed up very fast and stop and when i measure those moments my batteries are higher then normal (2.6 to 2.62v), and i think my sphere is climbing up the tube like in Davro's vids. i used 1 drop of ferrofluid and wiping the sphere twice to make it run again.
then it was like the sphere was almost totally silent. but not much current, but i have to test that again. since im using my new joule thief circuit hooked up the wrong way
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for me personal i can say that since i started with adaptor, i wanted it so bad to run on batteries, and getting more then 0.03v like in 1 of my1e vids ( YouTube - One magnet no bearing bedini with stator magnet for turning left or right and speedcontrol 2 - JB ) - im happy
now looking back and seen how fare we all are getting

everybody keep up your good work

my latest vid YouTube - One magnet No Bearing Bedini motor - 2.6v in - 31v out - JB

Greets JB


Extra: i have added a drawing of my 40.1v circuit and charging, but the charging has not been proven enough for me, but sofare my motor is still running
on normal batteries that where sopposed to be dead

Extra Question: should i be using a Li-Po battery since the get charged by voltage and normal batts by current or am i wrong ?
if so i want to use the li-po batt from the tiny rc helicopter (Pico Z)

[synchro]

Negative amps.

@Jonnydavro-Any signs of overunity have to treated with closer scrutiny, and not just passed over casually. I have been predicting just such an effect from the outset. This test result may be quantum leap in nature. Attention has to drawn to the importance of your discovery. Very high praise for a good solid achievement! This kind of break through should really make world wide newspaper headlines.

[jonnydavro]

Hi.thanks for that Synchro and i am looking into this and JB you are right.Its just a big jigsaw and everyone's got a piece.
Ok i have done a few more tests on the negative amp draw i saw with the twin magnet rotor yesterday and i made another rotor,this time with just the one magnet to see if this was down to the extra magnet and it goes negative with just one magnet as well so maybe Xenomorph can see if he can see this with his setup.I also placed a diode and an led in reverse on the input side and the led lights and the battery voltage climbs when it goes negative so the effect is real.
What i noticed is you need a good transistor which switches off when the magnet is moved away from the coil and i have improoved my technique in getting it to go negative.What i find best is to get the rotor up to speed and drop it down the front off the coil vertically.My rotor will spin from the coil when it is on its side so it is quite easy to do.There is a noticeable lenz effect and the magnet is deflected ,the rotor slows and then the amp draw goes positive and the rotor speeds up.
I am seeing negative readings of 30mA so like synchro says i think it needs further study.
I am wondering if the rotor maintained a constant speed or was heavier,the negative period may last a lot longer.What do you guys think?Anyone any idea why it is doing this?Regards jonny

[Lidmotor]

Rotor designs

@El tigre----I went back in the thread and it was you who first did the suspended rotor idea. I'm sorry that I didn't mention you in my videos. Xenomorph replicated it and I didn't remember that you had originally come up with the idea. Basically of all the designs so far this one works the best for me. It is a stable way to run the circuit with very little friction.

@JonnyD---Your negative amp effect I believe is the circuit running basically in reverse using the kenetic energy stored up in the spinning mass of the rotor. Check out the videos of DadHav on youtube. He builds beautiful Bedini motors and shows how when you manually spin them they act like generators. I think that is what is happening here.

@ JohnnB---Wow you have come along way in a short time. Great fast work on this project. I don't know where we are heading with this but everyone seems to be having fun along the way.

@Xenomorph----I have been working on an electronic levitation circuit but so far haven't had much luck and what I am seeing I don't like. I agree with you that the full levitation approach may be the wrong way to go with this project. I'm still working on it but the one point contact suspension idea seems to be a much better approach. I have been running the setup from my last video day and night 24/7 to see how it holds up so far it looks good. Stable, reliable, and quiet.

@Bodkins----The cap pulser circuit you are asking about is way back in the Imhotep Radiant Oscillator thread when I was building the "Lunch Box". Ren I think posted it. It is a pure John Bedini design that basically uses a 555 timer and a optoisolator to pulse the cap charge. The problem is that the side
circuit draws 30 millamps so your setup has to be big enough and efficient enough to justify the power drain.

@ All---My work with this crazy electronic levitator has me learning about Hall effect sensors and the 714 Op Amp. Here is the link to the project that I'm working on--
http://www.cyberpcb.com/movie/levitroneng.pdf


Lidmotor

[coolesrat]

new bedini idea



I had the idea of puting a magnet in the center of the air coil and having it fixed at two points with two sphere neo magnets kinda like the one bearing kind and have it suspended in the coil should increase the voltage

[rave154]

my apologies if this has already been posted in this thread,

i came across this today while browsing...

YouTube - ECONOMY MAGNETIC MOTORS / Equilibrius Grid / Jon DePew

seems like you guys arent the only ones working with rotating magnets ( Lidmotor, they look an aweful lot like your saturn thingy )

judging by the other videos on the persons channel , seems to be interested in Ed leedskalnin... interesting.