Bedini's "Free Energy Generation" machine aka "1984" aka "Watson"

[baroutologos]

Good job vissie!

this is another perspective of the FEG. Anyway, the writer is not even aware where this kind of energy might come from.
He speculates from the mass. Wrong. So many spinning masses around. How can come from the mass. Internal combustion engines are rotating masses on pulses. Are OU? Hell no.

So energy-mass rotation is out of question for me. The weight is for smoothing the cogging torque. Period. He says that Bedini's machine can output 800% of input energy. That means for the 12 watts input (the booklet says) 100 watts output must be there... Geez... if was so easy.

The only right, i can attribute to Bedini claims is that almost no-one build the machine as per specs and whine it does not works.

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Anyway.. i am gonna utilize more coils in series so as to approach the 6 coil number. Again this machine MUST work on resonance collection. Otherwise no sense at this elaborate energizer.

Again writer says (as Bedini) that the Lead-acid battery is self powering. Could be?
According our theory conditioning on SSG technology,
"radiant energy" is being captured and utilized by the battery. ok... again in the FEG, we have a cap. According SSG theory, caps convert radiant energy to normal electricity. So? How discharging the cap to battery we have radiant trasfer since transformation has been done already in cap?

Go figure.. again if you do not so, you will be accused of not complying to schedule!

Anyway... may the force (radiant energy) be with us

Regards,
Baroutologos

[Sephiroth]

No offense baroutologos, but I don't think it is wise to be so certain about things you have yet to verify.

[baroutologos]

No offence taken Seph!

Just trying to find a solution here! No disrespect also to inventor also are meant in my post. honeslty.
By the way, i am confident that i have verified that the rotating mass is not adding energy to the system.


Regards,
Baroutologos

[ren]

Internal combustion engines are rotating masses on pulses. Are OU? Hell no.

I dont know if Id agree with you there. Is the ICE overunity? Id love to see someone do the math. Dont forget that your everyday ICE overcomes its own friction (which is considerable) pumps air and fluids, generates electricity (quite a bit) not to mention all the heat it produces.

If you go through your Smith document again you will probably note some references to "OU" machines. Amongst them is "explosion" along with fulcrum/levers. Not many people consider that one.

My point is, if one tracks all inputs and ouputs "useful/utilized" or not then one soon develops a different understanding to "OU".

Myself, I dislike the term...


Regards

[baroutologos]

Guys, theorizing is good and fine for coffee time.. but if you invest at making an OU device you do not want your money be wasted at redundant theories.

I bet that no-one can asemble an useful OU machine, as FEG, with rotating masses only. If you can, be my guest...

@Ren, this is not an ice thread by the way. But when you say ice you mean refrigirators? Yes, almost any heat pump is OU. But, the output is of much greater entropy than the input, thus not sustainable.

Regards,
Baroutologos

[Sephiroth]

though the rotating mass may not neccessarily add to the total energy in the system, if you add inertia to a pulse motor it allows for more of the energy to be available to the generator.

You've seen the thread "conservation of charged violated", right? That experiment shows that adding inductance to the circuit results in a higher efficiency in energy transfer between the capacitors.

Inertia is the mechanical equivellant of inductance. I believe the higher your inductance (inertia) ratio is compared to your resistance (bearings, wind etc) the more efficient the transfer of energy will be to your generator from your pulse motor.

[baroutologos]

You have a good point there Seph!

Indeed, if you put that way, the mass avoids the motor during on pulse to have vibrations etc ect hence smoother action, hence cleaner energy trasnfer. Cool.

By for the time being i am not concerned , about primary input management. I am concerned about making extra energy.

Regards,
Baroutologos

[Sephiroth]

I am concerned about making extra energy.

That's the idea

though I have my priorities the other way around.

Peter Lindemann makes a very good point about placing more importance on investing more in energy saving techniques than investing in a load of solar panels. If you can double the energy efficiency of your house, you will only need half the solar panels to run it, and usually it is much cheaper to double your home's energy efficiency than it would be to buy twice as many solar panels.

I focus on how to recover as much of the energy we put into our systems as possible. The "extra energy" is a secondary consideration since usually it makes up just a fraction of the energy that we are putting in.

If we lose 75% of our energy through entropy, then we need the extra energy to compensate for this huge loss before we even see the systems breaking even.

However, if our systems can recover 90% of the energy that we input, then we only need the extra energy to make up for 10% of the losses.

THEN we can concentrate on how to increase this figure

[baroutologos]

No no no... energy savings are for those on energy shortage and ots a defensive attitude. If we learn to produce energy at will, at vast quantities, then savings will be a second consideration.

Regards,
Baroutologos

[ren]

Guys, theorizing is good and fine for coffee time.. but if you invest at making an OU device you do not want your money be wasted at redundant theories.

I bet that no-one can asemble an useful OU machine, as FEG, with rotating masses only. If you can, be my guest...

@Ren, this is not an ice thread by the way. But when you say ice you mean refrigirators? Yes, almost any heat pump is OU. But, the output is of much greater entropy than the input, thus not sustainable.

Regards,
Baroutologos

ICE = Internal combustion engine.

[Sephiroth]

No no no... energy savings are for those on energy shortage and ots a defensive attitude. If we learn to produce energy at will, at vast quantities, then savings will be a second consideration.

Regards,
Baroutologos

lol... fair enough... Good luck with it then

[Chip Shorter]

Guys, theorizing is good and fine for coffee time.. but if you invest at making an OU device you do not want your money be wasted at redundant theories.

I bet that no-one can asemble an useful OU machine, as FEG, with rotating masses only. If you can, be my guest...

@Ren, this is not an ice thread by the way. But when you say ice you mean refrigirators? Yes, almost any heat pump is OU. But, the output is of much greater entropy than the input, thus not sustainable.

Regards,
Baroutologos

You need to start at the beginning and understand the fundemental conversion we are talking about. All these machines do is convert one form of energy into another form. Whenever you do that you lose effeciency. That is why OU can never be. Understand what COP means and how COP> infinity is possible. I know I figured it out. Understand the laws of the conservation of energy. Build, experiment. Learn why things are. Learn what positive energy is and what negative energy is and how to convert from one to another. This is the best I can do for you. I could show you all the things I built and give you a step by step covering everything FE but in the end that will not get you the kind of knowlege you get from learning by building these experiments.

I will be more that happy to drop a clue here and there as I do from time to time on this board.

[Sephiroth]

You need to start at the beginning and understand the fundemental conversion we are talking about. All these machines do is convert one form of energy into another form. Whenever you do that you lose effeciency. That is why OU can never be. Understand what COP means and how COP> infinity is possible. I know I figured it out. Understand the laws of the conservation of energy. Build, experiment. Learn why things are. Learn what positive energy is and what negative energy is and how to convert from one to another. This is the best I can do for you. I could show you all the things I built and give you a step by step covering everything FE but in the end that will not get you the kind of knowlege you get from learning by building these experiments.

I will be more that happy to drop a clue here and there as I do from time to time on this board.

Hi Chip Shorter,

I agree with everything you have posted in this thread so far. Though I was curious why having a flywheel with a diameter too large negatively effect your machine?

[baroutologos]

@ Chipshorter,

You talk with ridlles man...
You claim you have solve the mystery there and got more energy out in plain electrical terms???( watts in < watts out)
If yes, teach me master!
I do want to learn, and for sure i like experiementing!

Regards,
Baroutologos

[baroutologos]

@Chip Shorter,

My system so far is :

A 12-pole alternative polarity Nd-magnets rotor, loosely inductive coupled to two coils 15-16mH each, series connected (multistrand wire there - 29awg 10 fillar 1ohm each) spinning at 2000+- rpm (200 hz)

The cap is actually a cap bank, 0-100 uf with 0.5 uf accuracy of adjustment.

The improvised trigger circuit, works and dumbs the cap's charge at specified voltage threshold. (instead of standard commutator at every 3 oscillations or so)

small components: scr 22RIA120, potensiometer 5K, transistor 2n3439, resistor 1K, diodes 1N4007, diac DB3 (30 volts breakdown), battery 12-24 volts. I know the circuit has flaws (since potensiometer acts more as resistor rather as voltage regulator) by the way it works.

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The system works and charges by resonance rather than direct inductive coupling between magnets and coils.

**Note i can resonate the coils and pose huge drag to rotor being as far as 10cm from magnets!! tremendous magnetic fields is greated that way and rotor-coils are "linked" from very far.
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By the way, initial experiments show a poor COP of the setup. Working cap at best battery charging rate at 200 Hz (1 batt) seems to be the 10uf value. if i proceed towards resonance, amps/voltages inside LC climb up (before being dumped) and battery does not respond by charging up. Instead charging goes down... (impedance matching??)

Terribly puzzled at the moment.


Regards,
Baroutologos