Bedini's "Free Energy Generation" machine aka "1984" aka "Watson"

[Zooty]

I am planning on building one of these with an ssg rotor instead of dc motor. I dont see drag being an issue as long the energizer portion is open circuit at TDC. The field collapse happens just after TDC so shorting the energizer coils at this point to collect the spike should not really cause drag. The cogging effect i believe should also cause no drag once the unit gets up to speed. Cogging is a zero net difference with an open coil.. attraction towards the core plus drag going away from the core should practically zero out the drag if you see what i mean. Has anyone tried an ssg with energizer open circuit? does the ssg spin up to its normal rpm? Somebody said that if the FEG really does work, the energy must be coming from the magnets but i dont believe this otherwise the magnets would eventually loose their strength. I believe that when a magnet magnetizes the core, the magnet is refilling itself in realtime from somewhere, maybe the vacuum? as the magnetism is absorbed in to the core. I have tried timing a coil short just after the magnet passes and it does pass current to a cap without any noticeable drag but it has to be done on time and released before the next magnet reaches the core. I also think that another wheel with magnets may not be necessary depending on how much you want to recover. My ssg wheel has 12 grade 5 ceramic magnets, not very strong but perfect for ssg operation. My idea is to place maybe 8 coils in series around the wheel which should be like one big high impedance coil with enough magnetized core to produce a good spike. Rick Frederick done it with one 34 ohm coil and triple stacked ceramic magnets on the wheel. I dont have enough magnets to triple stack but if i was going to replicate his setup with single magnets i would make 3 coils in series adding up to 34 ohms. The only difference would be that i would have 3 times the core material. Its something ill have to try. Maybe the core needs a certain amount of magnetic field to produce the effect and 3 in series might not produce the same result but its worth trying no?

[nvisser]

Would you mind posting a schematic how you plan to short the energizer coils and the rest of your coil wiring?

[blackchisel97]

Put your oscilloscope leads across the charging battery's terminals and set the volt divisions to where you can see the spike. Then increase the time scale until the spike takes up the entire display. You'll see just after the spike hits (I mean the spike, not what I call the flyback current), the voltage across the terminals will oscillate. On my 24ah batteries, the oscillations are at about 1mhz.

Seph - is that what you mean? -




Vtech

[Sephiroth]

Seph - is that what you mean? -




Vtech

That's pretty close to what I am seeing ^_^ I'm sure that is the same effect.

I'll upload some pics of the scope shot across the battery terminals on my Fat Boy oscillator since that makes the best quality spike with really good ringing after it....

Will start a separate thread since this is a bit off topic

[Zooty]

@nvisser. I have a standard bedini ssg setup on its own circuit feeding a charging batt. the other 3 coils are going to be connected in series by themselves. i would connect them to the ac side of a rectifier, the dc- from the rectifier direct to the negative of the main batt and the dc+ through a mechanical switch to the positive of the main batt. The switch would fire at the beginning of the field collapse of the 3 coils.

[nvisser]

That means the 3 coils are your energizer coils and you are going to short them just after tdc of the drive coil?
What components will you use to short them? Mechanical or reed switch with other components?

[baroutologos]

The concept of what you say is that shorting a passive generating coil and capturing the pulse. Shorting must always be at higest voltage potential of the coils (in unshorted state) or in other words when the core or the windings have been thoroughly magnetically "charged".

It has been formed a whole thread regarding this. In EV GRAY yaho group, Koneheadx, has been extensively involved in shorting generating coils and charging caps.

As the plain SSG, shorting an passive coil is another means for obtaining a sharp volatge spike. The procedure could be done more than once per cycle.

Baroutologos

[Zooty]

shorting the coil through a load at TDC might as well be a normal gernerator, its going to cause drag because of the pole reversal(core becomes south, magnet is north, they attract causing the drag) that happens as the current goes through the load, also, you are not collecting the collapse but an induced current from the moving magnetic field cutting the coil. Switching the coil on during the field collapse after the magnet has left TDC is a different ball game, no current and very high voltage with almost no duration, also the pole flip that happens at the core being south in nature is directly bucking the invisible south pole between the north magnets (i have seen this with a compass, it clearly exists) giving the wheel a free push, i believe this is what is partly pushing the wheel on the standard ssg. I asked a question on another thread about the status of the core during the creation of the spike going to the charging batt, i still believe the core flips to south as the spike is sent to the load but where is the magnet during this event? past the core where a south field exists.. two south poles are going to repel.. i may be completely wrong but this is how i am visualizing it.

[baroutologos]

Collecting a collapsinbg magnetic field huh? OK, that's an idea, it must put to a test to see how sound it is.
By the way, the "scallar" south between two norths is a quite natural thing.

I have not been at all conviced that the scalar south attraction is the force that moves the ssg and NOT the repulsion of the 2 norths.

Actually i have made a NSNSNS SSG. it runs like quite normal, even though the NNNN config must have better mechanical output.

Baroutologos

[nvisser]

Zooty . You said "shorting the coil through a load at TDC might as well be a normal gernerator, its going to cause drag" and in your previous post you said "I dont see drag being an issue as long the energizer portion is open circuit at TDC. The field collapse happens just after TDC so shorting the energizer coils at this point to collect the spike should not really cause drag."
Very confusing!
By "shorting the coil" do you mean connecting the coil by switch to the load or put a short directly over the coil by a parralel switch?

[wrtner]

Collecting a collapsinbg magnetic field huh? OK,
Actually i have made a NSNSNS SSG. it runs like quite normal, even though the NNNN config must have better mechanical output.

People forget the potential of drawing shaft power, although I
understand that if you do, the variable resistor excercise has
to be run again to tune the device.
Paul-R

[Zooty]

"I dont see drag being an issue as long the energizer portion is open circuit at TDC. The field collapse happens just after TDC so shorting the energizer coils at this point to collect the spike should not really cause drag."

What i mean by this is that if the energizer coils are open circuit at TDC then there is no current flow and no induced field to cause drag. Closing the energizer circuit through a load with a switch AFTER the magnet has left TDC should not cause drag because the north magnetic field from the magnet is not over the core anymore.

[nvisser]

Baroutologos mentioned it much earlier in this thread
Use 8 magnets and 7 coils to reduce drag
I found a document explaining why.

[Sephiroth]

Baroutologos mentioned it much earlier in this thread
Use 8 magnets and 7 coils to reduce drag
I found a document explaining why.

Using an eight magnet/seven coil configuration doesn't reduce drag. It reduces the apparent effects of cogging.

But I don't see cogging being a negative issue. In fact, the cogging effect appears to act as a virtual flywheel which may even be of benefit.

With the MG-1 I was originally using a 4 magnet/5 coil configuration but found that a 5 magnet/5 coil configuration out performed it. When the power was disconnected after the motor had reached full speed, the rotor free wheeled for longer using the 5/5 configuration than it did with the 4/5 configuration.

[baroutologos]

@Seph,

LOL. Are you serious? 5 coils on 5 magnets in simultaneous alignment results in a hugh cogging torque outline. Even 2 coils in a simultanous alignment is a pain in the ....

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In any sense i have tried more or less EVERYTHING regarding FEG and does not work as claimed. Period.

The ONLY thing i never tried and obviously Should not work is to arrange the windings in such way so as to produce in the same time the Bedini famous two canceling waves. (see EFTV 6)

Or in other words, when a coil or set of coils generate a possitive pulse, the others to generate a negative and effectively canceling each other.
Logically no current there and no battery charging.

I have disembled my setups due to moving. If anyone with a Kromrey converter or FEG if interested, should try opposing voltage windings sets and see... what to be seen

baroutologos