Bedini's "Free Energy Generation" machine aka "1984" aka "Watson"

[nvisser]

Very useful information Tyson!!

[SkyWatcher]

Hi nvisser, thanks, it does seem as though it could be a useful effect in a generator setup. I mean most generators are spinning magnets past coil/cores with the exception of maybe Hugh Piggott's Axial Flux Wind Generator. So if were going to be spinning magnets past cores, if we set back the copper coil on a core a distance from the passing magnets, it causes these lentz bending effects and as shown in that cad pic i posted, you can put another magnet rotor on other side right next to coil/core face and the effect is still manifest and with better output. I realize and have said this in past posts, that this is very similar to an effect Bill Muller was using in his setups. And this effect may have been used in the Watson device and with the heavy rotating mass helping to offset the cogging drag of the cores. I'll repost my pic, since I figured out how to post them now.


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Tyson

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, here is a quote from Ted from another site.

I was doing some fooling around with a coil and a magnet today. I was trying to better understand what happens when a magnet passes by a coil.
This coil happened to be flat and narrow with no core. As the magnet passed by, the current flowed in one direction for the first half of the coil then reversed for the next half. Putting a core in the coil changed these characteristics. Depending how far the core was extended away from the windings, the double direction charge effect was replaced with a single direction charge. The less the magnets interacted with the windings, the more the single charge became apparent. This is because the magnet only polarizes the core in one direction, and this only induces current to flow in one direction through the coil. This made me start thinking about what kind of winding would be best suited for for the least interaction with a passing magnet. Low profile and as far away from the magnet as possible. This rang a bell... Look at the coils in the Watson machine.
Why would he build them long and thin like that? Maybe it's because he's trying to minimize the Lenz effect. Here's how I think it works: As the magnet approaches the core, it starts generating power in the coil. At this point the coil is open so no current is flowing, but the magnetic field and voltage are both growing. When the magnet gets to the center of the core, the connection is made to drain the coils energy. The built up field collapses and current starts to flow out of the coil. This current flows in such a way as to create an opposite polarity in the core. This repels the magnet at best, but more likely prevents current from being drawn from the magnet for a brief period of time, which greatly reduces the Lenz effect. If there were windings close to the magnet, as it pulled away from the core their magnetic field would tend to hold the magnet back. This is why I believe the windings are narrow and long instead of short and fat. Anyway, if you're thinking of building a generator this might be useful to keep in mind.

I have been giving some thought to what happens when a magnet passes a coil as well. I think when say a north magnet approaches and leaves the face of a solenoid coil, that it is always generating a north pole in the coil, it's just that since the geometry of the departing leg of the coil is now flipped 180 degrees in relation to the approaching front coil leg that the induced current or magnets in the coil are spinning in a counter clockwise relation to the passing magnet, which causes the passing magnet to be attracted back to that leg of coil. Where as when the north pole magnet was approaching the front leg of the coil the induced current or magnet spin in that part of the coil is spinning in a clockwise direction which causes repulsion. So now this starts to make more sense and aligns with the thoughts that Ted has voiced. Though it appears that applying external input to the coil to create a magnetic field acts in a different manner compared to a single north pole of a magnet passing by a coil inducing current or magnetic spin in the coil, since the passing magnet is affecting different specific parts and geometric configurations of the coil at any given moment. So it does seem that geometry of design means everything if were trying to make lentz work in our favor. More thoughts to come, let me know what you folks think about this.
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Tyson

[Turion]

I should have my Watson device up and running sometime this week. Everything is done except hooking up two reed switches for the motor that is powering the whole thing, and I had to order those off the internet because Radio Shack doesn't sell them anymore. I got the last two they had and one didn't work.

I am still pondering my wiring for this unit. There is the pulse motor that drives it, which can produce back EMF, and there is the energizer, which obviously puts out power. If the back EMF from the pulse motor is directed to one battery, and the Energizer's charge is directed to the battery that powers the pulse motor, and there is a circuit completed between the two batteries that allow them to equalize when there is no draw down from the system, it might work. I'm using Matt Jones' pulse motor design and his "simple circuit" because it is the most efficient I have seen. Having no experience with reed switches or optos, I am wandering in the dark, with mittens and galoshes on.

Regardless, once that reed switch comes in I will be posting video of the first time I fire it up and what happens. With the rotors, coils, flywheels and frame, it weighs about 70 pounds, so I am not moving it around much.

[Turion]

Tyson,
All I can say is, if my Watson machine doesn't do what I want it to do, then I think the next step is building new rotors and the kinds of coils you are talking about here, just to see what happens. I have a spare shaft lying around somewhere, and I'm not short on magnets or cutting board material. Just need some empty spools to wind wire, and will probably just make my own. I've got 2 huge spools of #23 and one of #26 so I've got the wire. The only way we're going to find out if these things work is if we quit talking about them and build, build, build. I'm willing to do that. My problem is not knowing how to wire things up when I get it done. I'm pretty good at winding coils and building rotors. I've got that stuff down to a science now. And since I'm not working I've got all day long Monday-Friday to build. The weekends my wife and I are too busy with hiking or biking, but during the week I'm down in my basement all day every day messing with this stuff. So once I fire this up, I'll keep you all posted, and if it doesn't work, why don't we plan on building one as a team. I'll be happy to do the building if I get some advice and help on how to do the wiring, etc. I can post daily to YouTube so everybody can see what is going on.

[SkyWatcher]

Hi Turion, thanks for the update. If you have the parts as you say and the extra time, you don't have to build more than one or two coil/cores to see the effect and you don't even need 2 rotors to start with to get the effect. Use one rotor with a few magnets and one coil/core with the setback coil on core as shown in that cad pic and you'll see the effect. I used a standard 1/2" diameter steel bolt from hardware store with I think 18 gauge wire on mine and got the effect. Sounds like a good idea, teaming up, though i thought that's what were all doing at this forum, at least that's my intention. Ok, as I was going to do anyway, I will put together my setup again and run some tests to verify the effect again and see what works better or worse. Then again, there's also the ThaneCHeins perepiteia generator that uses high voltage coils to cause a high impedance condition on approach which prevents any current from flowing, so no lentz, then when it reaches tdc impedance lowers causing current to flow and it gives a repulsion kick accelerating rotor. YouTube - ThaneCHeins's Channel
Though his setup definitely needs a certain rpm threshold to be reached to get the effect, where as If I remember correctly, what I'm speaking of does not. Again, that's why I'd have to setup a device again to be sure. But I have a lot of 24 gauge wire and a decent amount of 30 gauge laying around so even experimenting with both types of coil designs would be interesting.
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Tyson

[nvisser]

Hi Turion
The mag alarms sensors they use for doors has got read switches in. They are usually normally closed but here by us you also get the normally open mags and they are dirt cheap from the security supply companies

[Turion]

Tyson,
I viewed the link you posted. I have a problem with it in that it requires high voltage to operate and I have enough trouble with low voltage systems. That's why your idea interests me so much. The Watson device didn't need high voltage to work, and that's what we're looking to duplicate. We have been told by John Bedini that the Watson device works, the Kromrey device works, and a couple others. All low voltage power sources. We need to build them and share them. In all this time why have there been no successful replications of these two devices by people who are willing to get on the net and walk the rest of us through them step by step? If they're scared of big brother, go to the freaking local library, log in on THEIR computer and dump all the instructions onto one of the forums for the rest of us to follow. There are a lot of hard working people here who would bust ass to try and replicate something, especially something as simple as the Watson device or Kromrey converter, and yet if there are people who have replicated these things, they aren't sharing. To me, that's a crime. A real crime as foul as murder. Keeping back that kind of info and watching the world spiral into madness where the large corporations control everything and people the world over are dying for lack of simple services that free electricity would provide is just wrong at the most basic level. Sitting around while we endlessly pollute the planet to death in the hopes of making a few bucks off their invention is insane, when they would be wealthy beyond measure if they were known as the person who changed the course of human history.

Sorry. At 3:30 in the morning when I have spent the last 19 hours working in this stuff in my basement, I tend to get on my high horse and ride.

I sincerely appreciate that people like Bedini have given us what they have, and I understand that he wants us to learn the principles behind it so we can figure it out for ourselves. But that isn't enough as far as I am concerned. Not when people are suffering and the planet is dying. If I had the answer and could teach others exactly how to do it, I don't know if I could look myself in the mirror knowing that I wasn't doing everything in my power to help people understand how to do this. It's like standing with a fire hose in your hand and watching the children in the house next door burn. Some people seem to be able to do that. Not me.

So I will build. And if what I have done is not successful, I will build again. And I will keep on building until I am too old to hold a soldering iron.

Nvisser, thanks for that info. I will check that out on Monday. I ordered a bunch of reed switches and they should be here any day now, but it's nice to be able to hop in the car and go get something you need when you need it rather than waiting.

Hopefully I will have this thing up and running early next week. I may ask for some help with the wiring from some of you Brainiacs out there if I can share some of the circuit I am using for my pulse motor. It's not mine, and although it has already been posted other places, I always ask before I post someone elses work, and I want to make sure they get the credit. If I post it here, my problem is combining the pulse motor circuit with the 32 wires from the sixteen coils, and how that should all be wired together.

[SkyWatcher]

Hi Turion, I understand your frustration , though all we can change ultimately, is ourselves. I'm not sure what your understanding is of Thanes perepiteia generator the rotating device, but the coils generate higher voltage, not like tesla coil voltages, as you can see he used a typical transformer to step it down. All these devices are inter-related so it may help if we all can understand whats happening in them to make better mouse traps. Though, i have yet to build a design like thanes and I know the coil setback idea does work and can use lower resistance coils, so it may be the way to go. Also, by the way I seem to recall that Watson did use a fairly higher voltage pulse from capacitors dumping into his drive battery.
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Tyson

[Turion]

Yeah, the voltage spike off that many coils is probably rather high.

I got my reed switches in the mail today, so will be starting up my Watson device sometime Monday morning. I will video and post it.

Matt Jones has helped me with a dual coil motor and a simple circuit that he has used in the past and I have replicated. I will use this pulse motor and Matt's circuit to drive my Watson device. I will have this circuit plus the 32 wires from the 16 coils on the energizer. Anybody have any suggestions how to wire it all together? I've got a capacitor bank and seven or eight deep cell lead acid batteries I can throw into the mix.

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, Hi Turion, sounds good, I would wire the coils based on how much current you need to fill caps at the rate you need to keep up with the frequency of the output pulses from the cap back to the drive battery and the voltage you want. Though if you start paralleling any coils, understand they have to be matched fairly well or it will slow the rotor a bit. I was playing with my stanley motor today using as generator before i took the rotors off to use on the lentz bending generator and i used a full wave bridge into a 2400uf-450v cap and intermittently discharged cap into a 12v gel cell and of course it threw a load on the rotor, while cap climbed back up. Even the heavy weight shown in the Watson device, I don't think that would fully offset that lentz breaking, though really helps a lot for cogging drag and as Ted was saying those long and low profile coils probably gave some kind of lentz bending effect also and that is probably why Bedini says it works.
edit: oh and i look forward to seeing how it works out.
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Tyson

[Turion]

Yeah, four of the coils fire at once out of the sixteen. I may have to increase the number of coils on my motor to overcome the effect of the coils on my energizer. And if that doesn't work, change to the kind of coils you've been talking about with the longer core. I'm going to start winding those kind of coils right now, since that's something I want to experiment with anyway.

To get more coils around a rotor, I thought of swapping ends with every other coil. As long as there is an even number, it would let me pack them together tighter, as long as the core that sticks out is longer than the coil. That requires two timing wheels instead of one, so it may not be worth it.

I have also heard that if you piggyback a coil on the same core you get the benefit without the lenz effect, or alt least without as much. It seems like every day we learn something new, and need to keep revising what we have until we get the best possible working device.

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, ok, it took me awhile to dig up all my pulleys and belts to link my motor to the lentz bending generator. I am getting the lentz bending effect and the system is speeding up as well with the associated drop in input current. I am using the 2 dual rotor 12 magnets per rotor and magnets on rotors are in alternating polarity configuration and I started with just one coil and the coil is on a 1/2" diameter steel bolt using 24 gauge magnet wire at around 7.2 ohms for the single coil. There is no mistake, the rotor is audibly accelerating, then levels out and the input drops over 1/2 an amp. First test was made with coil shorted, which is full load. Here is a pic of the setup.


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Tyson

[Turion]

Tyson,
What is the schematic for the wiring you are using to run this? I assume it is a 12 volt motor as your power. Are you using one battery or two? How is it all wired together? I have a 12 volt motor I bought for the exact same purpose, but have been trying to drive the generator with a pulse motor since I haven't been able to find a 12 volt motor with wound rotor and stator, and I don't want the off time "drag" that a permanent magnet motor has.

I tried to fire it up today since all my parts finally came in, but I could not get it to run. I need to go back and check all my wiring again to make sure all my circuits are complete.

[SkyWatcher]

Hi Turion, that is a 120vdc treadmill motor from surplus shop and I used one 12volt gel cell with the pulley ratios shown in pic to give more rpm's at rotor. I used a multimeter connected between drive motor and battery and measured around 3.5 amps no-load and I simply shorted the one generator coil and that's when the motor speed increased and input dropped to around 3 amps. Though yes, this treadmill motor has magnet stators and would have extra drag. The motor shown is rated at 4800rpm at 120volts. I think this generator is functioning like thanes in some way and would good for the Watson device. Going to run more tests tomorrow, what you think.
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Tyson