Bedini's "Free Energy Generation" machine aka "1984" aka "Watson"

[nvisser]

Do you drive the 120V dc motor with 12v dc only?

[SkyWatcher]

Hi nvisser, yes For that first test I used 1 - 12volt battery and used the pulley ratios to up the speed a bit. It seems to work better with the alternating magnet poles compared to before when i tested with all same poles out on each rotor and the spacing of magnets is much closer on these rotors cause they can be.
peace love light
Tyson
edit: the pulley ratio in that test was 1:2 so at 12volts it should be around 480 rpm times 2= around 1000rpm

[Turion]

Tyson, did you mention the diameter of your neos? For some reason I thought they were 1". Maybe from something you said earlier. I'm getting ready to duplicate what you did, and I will also be trying a slight variation. I want to use the solid 1/2" bolt as my steel core as you did with my 1" neos, then try a standard core (1")of welding rods at and see if there is a difference.

I know it's picky when something appears to be work, but somehow I think it's all those picky little differences that add up to a successful device, and for all I know, the solid steel core may be BETTER and I've been wasting all this time cutting welding rods into lengths. If that turns out to be the case, is there a difference between a half inch bolt and 3/4 or even a 1" steel rod. Will try all three.

[nvisser]

Why don't you guys use the hollow steel wall anchor plug like in the files that Skywatcher posted?
Solid steel will retain magnetism and cause eddy currents that gives losses.

[SkyWatcher]

Hi Turion, the neo magnets are 1" diameter, Hi, I have many tests I'm going to be making and that may be one of them also, those anchor cores or something similar.
peace love light
Tyson

[SkyWatcher]

Also, my rotors have the 12 magnets at 5-1/4" diameter centers or from center of shaft a radius of 2-5/8" to center of magnet. Though, yes reducing core losses is of importance with this setup as nvisser is saying. And the magnets are 3/8" depth stacks each.
peace love light
Tyson

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, just made another test. I only used 1 rotor in this test and it was the rotor directly next to the coil, or as shown in the pic, the rotor on the left and it still accelerated under short circuit, though not as dramatic since less field strength without other rotor. So it must be the close alternating magnet pattern on rotor that is working more like thanes generator now. I'm not even sure the core needs to be longer or protruding on one end or not the way its setup now. I was thinking about those wall anchors for cores, those look like they would be hard to mount, any ideas. will be making a few more tests.
peace love light
Tyson

[Turion]

Tyson,
I was thinking of steel pipe like they use for gas lines. It can be bought in different lengths at the hardware store, and there are different fittings for it. That would give a hollow core that is made of steel, but with threads on one or both ends so it could be secured to something quite easily. It also comes in a variety of different lengths already threaded for do-it-yourself plumbers like me. I was thinking of getting a couple pieces, winding my coils on them, and experimenting with moving a core made of welding rods in and out of the pipe, possibly filling a short distance of the pipe right in front of the magnet, but leaving the rest of the pipe hollow, especially the part the coil is wrapped around. I am tied up tomorrow finishing my Kromrey Converter, but then I will be devoting all my time to finishing up my Watson device. I will basically be tearing what I have apart to implement all the changes that have been talked about here.

[SkyWatcher]

Hi Turion, thanks for the idea, though I had thought about using plumbing pipe knowing it has threads on end. I'm not sure what the remnance differences are between those 2 metals. Though high electrical resistance in core and low remnance are probably what we would like. Though again, that's what I think the heavy flywheel weights are for, is to store as much motion as possible from the magnet attraction to core so as to get as close as possible to balancing the approach and depart of magnet to core interactions. I mean of course the small losses in cores don't help matters, but can you imagine if the rotors were light as a feather, the rotor would stop dead and lock up since such a light rotor has no inertial storage properties being so light. So that is why we see a huge flywheel in Watson's device, I think.
peace love light
Tyson

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, Hi Turion, how is your setup coming along, I seem to recall you were trying the setback coil lentz bending idea or similar. Hope its going well, I'm going to try a few different setups myself.
peace love light
Tyson

[Turion]

Tyson,
I have everything built but the motor to power the whole thing. I have tried three different times to come up with a motor that has a wound rotor and wound stator, Which is what Peter L. says you need to use, but have not been able to find one with a half inch shaft like I want. It is ticking me off!!!! I was going to use the Gary Stanley motor to run it, or the Matt Jones motor, if I couldn't find one, and have been at work building BOTH, plus a Kromrey converter, so my days are really full. If anybody knows where I can buy a motor with wound rotor and stator with a 1/2 inch shaft, please let me know! My credit card is itching to buy one!!!

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[SkyWatcher]

Hi Turion, thanks for the post, really good work on your Watson setup. I hope it does what you hope. I would use the stanley type air core dual rotor motor if it's not too much extra work, seeing how much effort you've put into this setup, I really hope it yields something of value if not learning for sure. I have an idea that came to mind, while laying in bed, for a generator setup. I'm going to place one of those steel saw blades on one side of my 12 magnet alternating pole rotor and then place a magnet at back of my coil/core to see how it generates, in hopes of getting less drag. Also I want to pulse the coil as a motor to see how that works, since it might be similar to the Kawai motor in function. Anyway, great work.
peace love light
Tyson

[john_g]

Tyson,
I have everything built but the motor to power the whole thing. I have tried three different times to come up with a motor that has a wound rotor and wound stator, Which is what Peter L. says you need to use, but have not been able to find one with a half inch shaft like I want. It is ticking me off!!!! I was going to use the Gary Stanley motor to run it, or the Matt Jones motor, if I couldn't find one, and have been at work building BOTH, plus a Kromrey converter, so my days are really full. If anybody knows where I can buy a motor with wound rotor and stator with a 1/2 inch shaft, please let me know! My credit card is itching to buy one!!!

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Hi Turion
What about using say a VW beetle dynamo and run it as a motor? It has wound fields and about 1/2 shaft. I got an old one the other day but one of the brushes is missing so haven't tried it.

Regards

John

[patmac]

Ok. I was testing a little prototype for using it like generator.

@everybody

I'm building a Sine wave generator (like FEG book), here scope shot of my generator.

Bedini talk ever about ideal waveform to create self recharging effect.

The shot was taken while charing a 12 volts battery with 1 ohmio resistor in series, scopes probes was connected on 1ohm resistor. Waveform seems correct, my Generator sends the waveform half sine while is being rectified with FULL WAVE rectifier (four diode bridge). So the most important here magnetic field drag keep the waveform rectified with LOAD connected.

[Turion]

That's a great idea John. I will have to look into that. I will be searching junk yards starting tomorrow!

Right now I will be using Matt Jones' simple Motor to drive the device. I built a stand alone unit and Matt has been helping me to get it running correctly, although I still have a ways to go on that score. I took it apart this afternoon and am in the process of assembling it on the shaft of my Watson device. I have two coils, but I am thinking of waiting until the wire I ordered comes in so I can wind my coils like Matt said I should have in the first place. So hopefully in the next few days I will have it running. I have the motor on the shaft already and all I have to do is bolt down the coils and it will be ready to wire up and give it a go. Probably sometime early next week depending on when my wire gets here. I may need three or more coils to move the amount of weight I have on my shaft, although once you get it going it goes great.