Bedini's "Free Energy Generation" machine aka "1984" aka "Watson"

[baroutologos]

I tried to change coil, and use a ready one, audio type, 2.6mH of 18 awg.

Then spun it to my neo rotor at 2100 rpm. (ferite rotor cannot excite this coil)
The coil builds up some 14vac and when shorted, circulates an 3,4 amps. On short it create also great drag to prime mover.

Resonating it with 90+ uf cap
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I managed to somehow semi-resonate the coil at 90+uf of cap value, and reading on cap was 26 vac and 2.85 amps circulating. Drag was relative little.

The interesting point is that, this normal coil that on direct short creates drag, (whereas my previous do not) is not heating that much its core. Actually its core is somehow cool (on the contrary, the lenzess coils make nice hot cores)

Drag is low also for the virtual vac/amps produced.
Confused at the moment.

Regards,
Baroutologos

[nvisser]

I am not sure why I still try to make this work. Look at this document page 20 under cold fusion.
http://www.byronwine.com/files/plans.pdf
Maybe by charging a cap to only a bit to about 14v and the discharge it into the battery we create electron current and will not ruin the battery. But as I understood JB it is the ions that charge the battery (high voltage puses with no current) and how will we get the resonant freq if we are stuck to discharging every time 14 v are reached?
I think Barti went into the right direction with his resonance experiments. Now only to tap this energy witout killing the resonance.
Also read page 20 Easer energy pump about bedini etc

[Chip Shorter]

Build it like the booklet says. The devil is in that switching commutator. Tesla had a similar dilema. Look at his patent 787,412 . Your going to want to look at his detector circuit in that patent(fig2). That is how you build an adjustable commutator circuit.

Flooded lead acids. The comm switching knocks the battery around a great deal. You'll never get that kind of zap with transistors and many have tried. The real thing making the energy for you is the Battery not the magneto or the flywheel(remember the snoops stole the batteries). If you can charge the Battery with less energy than you pull out of it then... The Flywheel is there to smooth out the lenz FX. The magneto is series coils. All it does is provide the hammer to knock those ions around in the Battery. On Watsons(big) machine judging by the pictures his magnets weren't corresponding to the coils meaning there was a pulse train suggesting a different type of switching to create the Battery effect. I personally think its better in a two battery circuit.

Good luck

[nvisser]

Did you try it ?

[baroutologos]

Theorizing is easy.

Bedini's FEG is just a story tale.
Ions go back and forth... each one has its own explaination.
IMO FEG's magneto is just a resonant circuit. And the battery is the storage medium.

From my replications so far of the SSG and similar stuff, have not observed anything like charging a battery on voltage or something like that. Voltage needed to push electons there. Current does the job. Flat dc or pulsed.

Unless you have different experience of course...

Experimental Data
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I tested various combination at near resonance, with the 2,6mh coils and 400turns 10 fillar one (15-17 mh). Rotors used were my 6 magnet ferrite and 12 pole Nd magnets type one.

From various caps usage i found out that in both coils case and rotors too, for the creation of 100 watts of "virtual" circulating power, i.e volts ac at cap terminal x amps oscillating, i need 10 watts. Minor deviations observed.
So in my setup the ratio of input to virtual resonant "energy" is 10:1

Gonna proceed with the diode plug circuit.


Regards,
Baroutologos

[Chip Shorter]

Theorizing is easy.

Bedini's FEG is just a story tale.
Ions go back and forth... each one has its own explaination.
IMO FEG's magneto is just a resonant circuit. And the battery is the storage medium.

From my replications so far of the SSG and similar stuff, have not observed anything like charging a battery on voltage or something like that. Voltage needed to push electons there. Current does the job. Flat dc or pulsed.

Unless you have different experience of course...

Experimental Data
.............................
I tested various combination at near resonance, with the 2,6mh coils and 400turns 10 fillar one (15-17 mh). Rotors used were my 6 magnet ferrite and 12 pole Nd magnets type one.

From various caps usage i found out that in both coils case and rotors too, for the creation of 100 watts of "virtual" circulating power, i.e volts ac at cap terminal x amps oscillating, i need 10 watts. Minor deviations observed.
So in my setup the ratio of input to virtual resonant "energy" is 10:1

Gonna proceed with the diode plug circuit.


Regards,
Baroutologos

I can only wish you luck my friend. From my experiments this is an electro-mechanical resonant device that creates a battery effect. Nothing more nothing less.

My early problems were too large diameter of a flywheel and it being unbalanced as well as the pulse commutator timing to the motor battery as well as the timing on the motor comm in relation to the pulse comm. Like I said a multiple battery system is the way to go on this once you get it tuned. And more pulses...

[Shamus]

@ChipShorter: Did you have those batteries in series or parallel? Do you have any drawings/pictures/lab notes?

I'll probably have some more questions for you once I get my motor built. It's going to be driven by a hall switched window motor.

[nvisser]

[QUOTE=Chip Shorter;66026]Build it like the booklet says. The devil is in that switching commutator.
Did anybody used the flip flop solid state circuit that is also in the book?

[baroutologos]

Hey, it's been a while!

Last weekend i made my first capbank. Its up to 300volts / 3amps rated. All motor run caps (9) with their respective little switches!
I can have this "variable capacitor" to tune the LC circuit with cap values 0.5 to 100 uf! Good range for fine tuning also.

More results
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I tested my setups to limits of 1 coil. I got some 3.4 amps circulating in capbank-coil and 75 vac. lots of power at power factor 0!!

For every 100 watts of pf=0 in my setup i need 8-12 watts of real motor input.

designing a diode plug
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Its been somehow difficult. Parts - optos, chokes, or scr cannot be found as prescribed. Still trying to have this up till next weekend.

That's for now
Photos pending

Regards
Baroutologos

[nvisser]

I’m not sure which diode plug circuit you are building
Is it one from here?
ZPE component resonant power extraction circuit - PESWiki
A lot of the components can be found in old vga monitors or anything with switching power supplies like the pulse transformers, opto couplers and lots of mosfets, bridges , diodes and caps
Some has even got scr`s in the psu`s where it select the voltage input automatic between 220 or 110v(mostly in lase printer psu`s)

I stopped my replication for awhile and are concentrating on the tesla switch as a guy called Double D Published a very promising circuit with mosfets that freeze up!!!

[baroutologos]

hello again.

Experimenting with the diode plug of caps in resonance i found out all things are as expected.
The resonating caps, although of high voltage at resonance, behind the diode plug their potential is considerably lower.

First attempts to extract power from the diode plug, resulted in, as alos expected, failure. Each watt out must be paid in input.

So far i have not seen any magic in cap extracting the resonance. Gona proceed at full operational diode plug as prescribed. Expectations are low also. Cannot think how is supposed the FEG to gain free energy.

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Anyway, experimenting has a twofold meaning. Striving to replicate something working or just proving it does not. At least as described.

Regards,
Baroutologos

[baroutologos]

I was re-re-re-reading Bedini's FEG booklet and try to decipher, how (if) is supposed to work this kind of device.

After long time of experimentation and pondering on it i safely can tell when i see Bedini's energizer,
that is a LC tank circuit that operates at (or near) resonance, thus each oscillation stacks on each other, making voltage as well as current to mount inside LC and after 3 consecutive oscillations (for the six pole, half circle commutator) the LC being discharged to the battery.

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Last two days i have read a lot about resonance. The ONLY kind of resonance that is able to produce any extra energy - yes extra energy- and is accepted by mainstream science is the STOCHASTIC RESONANCE or Random resonance.

Basic concept is that: In a system that we harmonically apply a faint signal, that signal can be intesified in amplitude by the introduction and cooperation action of noise. The stochasti resonance phenomenon has been proposed for explaining the earth ice age pattern and is applied both to micro as well to macro Cosmos.
It is a unique procedure in which we have negative entropy. instead of a signal to degrade to abient noise, it is amplified by it and make the ambient noise a coordinated force.
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Concerning the electromagnetic systems, SR has been observed in microscopic rings that have been stimulated by x frequency alternating magnetic field. They have been observed currents of quite bigger intensity that conventional theories predicted.

http://www.physik.uni-augsburg.de/th...Papers/410.pdf

In our case, if any OU can be produced, it will be by the application of a signal and its intensification by ambient noise. Signal could be an oscillating current or better an alternating magnetic field inside a core of a coil and noise the ambient thermal energy.
Only by transformation of ambient thermal energy to intensified magnetic field and upon its collapse into increased current can satisfy the Law of conservation of energy and same time achieving OU.

Summarizing, in Bedini's FEG having a resonating LC and having (as Mr Bedini claims) OU, this could be easily attributed to Stochasti resonance phenomenon. The stochastic resonance can take place in the LC or between LC and battery under stress when commutator connects it.

Strcily speaking, in order to manifest SR, a lot of conditions should be met in an non-linear system. The most critical is the noise-to-signal ratio for maximum output.

Anyway, if could be done, it should not be that difficult... or not?

Regards,
Baroutologos

[boguslaw]

TransWorld Energy

[baroutologos]

OK, i have read Mr Smiths paper and concepts of resonance device.

Each one has his own explaination. Bedini says he stresses batteries' electrolyte, Smith says he utilizes magnetic resonance... go figure.

Also Bedini says about having OU in low frequency like 120-200 Hz whereas Smith talks about Megaherz rates.
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The point is resonance is in play. Electric resonance for sure is there and inevitably magnetic resonance in the cores follows by the inductor action.

So, if any tinkerer like me (and not a nuclear scientist owner of CERN) hopes at achieving OU, it must achieved by modest means, as plain coils and magnets, some caps and smart timing, along with power management in input.

Regards,
Baroutologos

[nvisser]

Another interesting website with similar generators. See the parts about Bedini, Wilson and manta generator
Tilley Block Diagrams & Parts List - KeelyNet 01/12/03