Bedini's "Free Energy Generation" machine aka "1984" aka "Watson"

[Sephiroth]

@Seph,

LOL. Are you serious? 5 coils on 5 magnets in simultaneous alignment results in a hugh cogging torque outline. Even 2 coils in a simultanous alignment is a pain in the ....

Yes... I am serious.
YouTube - MG-1 : Pulse Motor Generator (SSG)
YouTube - MG-1 : 8550rpm, 712hz, 193km/h

[baroutologos]

OK, this qualifies for the toy category at high velocity.
BY the way, SSG is a pulse motor and NOt a generator. That means when in alignment the coil pulses and so no cogging around. on the contrary.

In FEG, We are talking for generator passive coils and not pulse motors that each coil tributes to movement..

By the way, for avoiding confusion, this can happen at high velocities and excellently calibrated systems. or almost impossible for considerably strong magnets of greater electrical output.

Baroutologos

[Sephiroth]

OK, this qualifies for the toy category at high velocity.
BY the way, SSG is a pulse motor and NOt a generator. That means when in alignment the coil pulses and so no cogging around. on the contrary.

In FEG, We are talking for generator passive coils and not pulse motors that each coil tributes to movement..

By the way, for avoiding confusion, this can happen at high velocities and excellently calibrated systems. or almost impossible for considerably strong magnets of greater electrical output.

Baroutologos

ok... I agree that cogging is undesirable on the generator for practical reasons... the file nvisser posted wasn't for a generator.

though the ssg can act as a motor and generator with the right configurations...

by the way... I would rather you didn't refer to it as a "toy".

[ren]

OK, this qualifies for the toy category at high velocity.
BY the way, SSG is a pulse motor and NOt a generator. That means when in alignment the coil pulses and so no cogging around. on the contrary.

In FEG, We are talking for generator passive coils and not pulse motors that each coil tributes to movement..

By the way, for avoiding confusion, this can happen at high velocities and excellently calibrated systems. or almost impossible for considerably strong magnets of greater electrical output.

Baroutologos

Baroutologos.

Your attitude towards these machines is obviously negatively geared, no doubt due to your past faliures to achieve the results you expected.

The SG is NOT a motor, and it is NOT a generator. And Sephiroth's unit is NOT at toy. Foolish to judge it by its size alone. "By the way, to avoid confusion" you should refrain from posting your opinions when it is obvious you dont know what you are talking about. I cant even understand what you are trying to say in your last few sentences. Are you saying strong magnets cant be used? Bill Mueller would laugh in your face as he turned his Neo rotor at high speed. So would Sephiroth, who has used Neos on some of his designs before if I am not mistaken.

You still see the whole thing conventionally, and that is why you fail I believe. The power doesnt come from the magnets! Even in the generator side of Bedinis FEG!

If you cant see what JB has shown you in this simple device then Im afraid the next few steps will constantly elude you. Im very aware of your opinions in these matters, you seem to voice them in each possible place. Ive havent said much, biting my tongue for the most part, but calling Seps design a "toy" was pretty much the last straw for me. I found his build extremely refreshing in both configuration and build quality, and the speed at which it reaches astounded me. Now if he can generate over 8000rpm AND charge a second battery up to and over 90% efficiency and he is yet to configure ANY generator side I think that is superb. His unit so far only has the "motor" function built, and even then it nearly charges 1 to 1. And no thanks to the magnets for power out. Plus it draws less when mechanically loaded, and its input doesnt increase when electrically loaded (charging bank increased).

Im not meaning to shoot you down here, but I have had enough of you seeming to do the same thing to others when their ideas and designs are expressed. Have some imagination, the possibilities on Seps design are endless.

Regards

[Sephiroth]

Baroutologos.

Your attitude towards these machines is obviously negatively geared, no doubt due to your past faliures to achieve the results you expected.

The SG is NOT a motor, and it is NOT a generator. And Sephiroth's unit is NOT at toy. Foolish to judge it by its size alone. "By the way, to avoid confusion" you should refrain from posting your opinions when it is obvious you dont know what you are talking about. I cant even understand what you are trying to say in your last few sentences. Are you saying strong magnets cant be used? Bill Mueller would laugh in your face as he turned his Neo rotor at high speed. So would Sephiroth, who has used Neos on some of his designs before if I am not mistaken.

You still see the whole thing conventionally, and that is why you fail I believe. The power doesnt come from the magnets! Even in the generator side of Bedinis FEG!

If you cant see what JB has shown you in this simple device then Im afraid the next few steps will constantly elude you. Im very aware of your opinions in these matters, you seem to voice them in each possible place. Ive havent said much, biting my tongue for the most part, but calling Seps design a "toy" was pretty much the last straw for me. I found his build extremely refreshing in both configuration and build quality, and the speed at which it reaches astounded me. Now if he can generate over 8000rpm AND charge a second battery up to and over 90% efficiency and he is yet to configure ANY generator side I think that is superb. His unit so far only has the "motor" function built, and even then it nearly charges 1 to 1. And no thanks to the magnets for power out. Plus it draws less when mechanically loaded, and its input doesnt increase when electrically loaded (charging bank increased).

Im not meaning to shoot you down here, but I have had enough of you seeming to do the same thing to others when their ideas and designs are expressed. Have some imagination, the possibilities on Seps design are endless.

Regards

Thank you, Ren

[baroutologos]

@all,

Ren, i am worried about that my "failures" tend to be EVERYBODY failures here, so no use in personalize it. Constructive criticism is a step towards the truth.
as for Muller design he used strong neos in odd/even config just for eliminating the cogging. Muller machine is indeed generator that why he used the odd/even config.

SSG is a motor. Bedini claims is an energizer. Obviously charges batteries hence energizer. Nevertheless works and is a pulse motor. So the cogging effect is not so obvious in SSG setup anyway. And a very effient one. The 8000 rpm has almost no meaning. In a excellent constructed device, this could have been 30000 rpm. The energy In vs Out matters plus work done.

And by the way, just for the record, the results that i have been expecting was free energy out. No such luck.
On the other hand perhaps i think too much conventionally. In any case i have not witnessed much unconventional things going on.

..........
Finally i want to believe... but my only problem is the thing what i have to believe must be real. Noones word taken for granted. Personally I do not believe in any religion neither i recognize easily athorities without evidence.

and i beg to be exscused for my term toy. A toy free energy machine is the one that outputs miliwatts or even watts. The serious free energy machine is the one that output kilowatts according to my perverted thinking.
unfortunately, we are unable to have even "toys" so far.

In any case, Seph is a great experimenter and craftman. i aknowledge that. as you Ren. But questioning as my wise Ancient Greeks have said it well, is the begging of knowledge. Question everything. I personally question as much the contemporary science theories as Bedini's theories. That does not necessarily means Bedini could not have achieved OU. Hence i persist with this odd technology and ambiguous teachings.

Having said all that, i wish not to be taken as outcast. This forum is not a Bedini worship temple. Perhaps my language sometimes is harsh, but that is a part of my character and trying to improve.

finally, yes the possibilities are endless in our universe, but here we explore certain techologies with specific outlines and expect more or less claimed outputs.

Baroutologos

[Tecstatic]

@all,

Ren, i am worried about that my "failures" tend to be EVERYBODY failures here, so no use in personalize it. Constructive criticism is a step towards the truth.
as for Muller design he used strong neos in odd/even config just for eliminating the cogging. Muller machine is indeed generator that why he used the odd/even config.

SSG is a motor. Bedini claims is an energizer. Obviously charges batteries hence energizer. Nevertheless works and is a pulse motor. So the cogging effect is not so obvious in SSG setup anyway. And a very effient one. The 8000 rpm has almost no meaning. In a excellent constructed device, this could have been 30000 rpm. The energy In vs Out matters plus work done.

And by the way, just for the record, the results that i have been expecting was free energy out. No such luck.
On the other hand perhaps i think too much conventionally. In any case i have not witnessed much unconventional things going on.

..........
Finally i want to believe... but my only problem is the thing what i have to believe must be real. Noones word taken for granted. Personally I do not believe in any religion neither i recognize easily athorities without evidence.

and i beg to be exscused for my term toy. A toy free energy machine is the one that outputs miliwatts or even watts. The serious free energy machine is the one that output kilowatts according to my perverted thinking.
unfortunately, we are unable to have even "toys" so far.

In any case, Seph is a great experimenter and craftman. i aknowledge that. as you Ren. But questioning as my wise Ancient Greeks have said it well, is the begging of knowledge. Question everything. I personally question as much the contemporary science theories as Bedini's theories. That does not necessarily means Bedini could not have achieved OU. Hence i persist with this odd technology and ambiguous teachings.

Having said all that, i wish not to be taken as outcast. This forum is not a Bedini worship temple. Perhaps my language sometimes is harsh, but that is a part of my character and trying to improve.

finally, yes the possibilities are endless in our universe, but here we explore certain techologies with specific outlines and expect more or less claimed outputs.

Baroutologos

"Perhaps my language sometimes is harsh"

Then you should have no problem with me stating this:

When someone says "Free energy" does not exist, it does not upset me, the person in question is basically just saying he have not studied sufficiently, and don't have the skills to build a device.

"Finally i want to believe... but my only problem is the thing what i have to believe must be real. Noones word taken for granted."

What about this quote from one of the American military complex companies:

News from 2003, I have just checked the link, it still works today:

Sandia Labs Accomplishments 2003

Sandia's directed-energy group has successfully developed a highly compact high-voltage pulser capable of powering various directed-energy loads. The design uses Sandia's pulsed power experience and combines a battery-driven power supply and Marx generator in producing its output pulse. This development effort has resulted in a battery-driven pulser capable of delivering a 30 GW drive to a load. This extremely compact, lightweight, and rugged approach will enable many future directed-energy systems that require portable high-power drivers.

30GW = 30.000.000.000W

Do you really think this is basic textbook off the shelf technology, "extremely compact, lightweight, and rugged" ?

I remember a statement from a video, that the military has many machines "running on time".

More building and less talking (posting) criticism would be appropriate IMHO, as reading non-constructive posts is just waste of our time.

For some that may even be the purpose of posting here.

Eric

[Sephiroth]

"Perhaps my language sometimes is harsh"

Then you should have no problem with me stating this:

When someone says "Free energy" does not exist, it does not upset me, the person in question is basically just saying he have not studied sufficiently, and don't have the skills to build a device.

"Finally i want to believe... but my only problem is the thing what i have to believe must be real. Noones word taken for granted."

What about this quote from one of the American military complex companies:

News from 2003, I have just checked the link, it still works today:

Sandia Labs Accomplishments 2003



30GW = 30.000.000.000W

Do you really think this is basic textbook off the shelf technology, "extremely compact, lightweight, and rugged" ?

I remember a statement from a video, that the military has many machines "running on time".

More building and less talking (posting) criticism would be appropriate IMHO, as reading non-constructive posts is just waste of our time.

For some that may even be the purpose of posting here.

Eric

Interesting stuff

I wonder how long it will take them to get trains to "run on time" sorry... couldn't resist!

[Tecstatic]

Interesting stuff

I wonder how long it will take them to get trains to "run on time" sorry... couldn't resist!

No problem. I guess one of the most difficult devices to build "run on time " --- is a train

I like your footer, it nails the discussion spot on.

Eric

[ren]

"Perhaps my language sometimes is harsh"

Then you should have no problem with me stating this:

When someone says "Free energy" does not exist, it does not upset me, the person in question is basically just saying he have not studied sufficiently, and don't have the skills to build a device.

"Finally i want to believe... but my only problem is the thing what i have to believe must be real. Noones word taken for granted."

What about this quote from one of the American military complex companies:

News from 2003, I have just checked the link, it still works today:

Sandia Labs Accomplishments 2003



30GW = 30.000.000.000W

Do you really think this is basic textbook off the shelf technology, "extremely compact, lightweight, and rugged" ?

I remember a statement from a video, that the military has many machines "running on time".

More building and less talking (posting) criticism would be appropriate IMHO, as reading non-constructive posts is just waste of our time.

For some that may even be the purpose of posting here.

Eric

Nice Eric

The trains are half way there I reckon. They are already electric, just need some Ed Gray gear, dedicate the drivers cart to be the capacitor/s and dumps some serious voltage through the motor

The voltage and amperage they are pushing into those things should be being pushed through a transformer first

[nvisser]

Shorting the coils

This post of mine on another thread will be more appropriate here as it has to do with generator coils.
Redeagle
If I understood you correct I see the setup you explained as follows:
Say your generator coils generates a 16v ac sine wave.
You connect the ac through a full bridge to a capacitor of about 470uf.
The cap will charge up to about 22v or somewhere above 16 v dc where it peaks and its resistance is high relative to the 16v power source.
At that point there is no "positive" current flow from the generator and there is no drag.
Now if you short the coil very fast at TDC or (30 deg after TDC as some says), the spikes that are created will charge the cap very fast to a higher voltage of who knows where to. Still no "positive" current flow
If I now discharge the cap to a 24v battery when the cap reach say 48v, with a scr trigger circuit, the cap will immediately discharge to the battery to the current battery level of say 23v and than start to charge again to the 48v level.
Never reaching the the 16v level again and so not creating drag again.

Maybe this is the way to match impedance or match load to source that they talk about

This is a lot like the method where they tap the resonance with a diode plug and a scr trigger circuit to not kill the resonance. (Hector Perez)

[baroutologos]

@Nvisser, regarding plain resonance.

Nice in concept but poor in practice. I have bitter experience with resonance, cap, and scr discharging to battery. I have played around with two bank caps, full diode plug circuits (adjustable volatge lvl discharging etc).

I can assure you that no magic there. At least in my setup.

Shorting coils and pulsing caps is another story by itself i suppose. Never managed to make it effectively so as to study its behaviour. By the way, that setup is quite easy to make i suppose. It can be fitted to a standard SSG wheel.

baroutologos

[sinergicus]

specs about g field

I found this
G-Field V1.1 Test Report
.

[ashtweth]

Guys have invited him to join this forum

Ash

YouTube - test1.AVI
YouTube - test1.AVI

[redrichie]

Well it looks as if bedini is not telling tales (for you sceptics about his "cloak and dagger" stories) about the big Watson machine. That deivice definately does "something" to those batteries. cant wait to see more.