Bedini's "Free Energy Generation" machine aka "1984" aka "Watson"

[wrtner]

As Peter has said, the motor should be one with a wound rotor and stator, so during off time there is no attraction between the rotor and stator to slow it down. A permanent magnet motor is NOT a good choice for this device.

The motor needs to be DC, doesn't it? would you make some suggestions?

[Turion]

Zooty is right. A hall driven window motor would be perfect. Anything that gives you the torque you need without consuming power, and a window motor that supplies the torque while also charging a second battery is probably an excellent choice.

So is the "Simple Motor" that Matt Jones has the schematic for on YouTube. Either the mechanical switching version or the solid state. I have built several of them and I am going to try the simple motor first. Just have to wind more coils as one coil was not enough to get the thing running... not enough torque. A standard Bedini motor probably doesn't have enough torque. It is designed to be an energizer, not a motor. But it too would use little or NO power.

At the conference Peter showed us that the Lockridge device and the Watson device are the same cat skinned two different, but essentially the same, ways. I have ordered his DVD because I just couldn't take notes fast enough at the conference. I feel like he gave most, if not ALL, of the information needed to build the device and as soon as my DVDs get here, I will try to replicate.

Too many builds going on at the same time. But at least it keeps me off the street.

[wrtner]

But if you had to go out tomorrow and buy a commonly
available motor, Turion, what would you choose? Would
you avoid brush motors? would you get a car starter motor?
Or another type?

[Turion]

There are two important requirement. First, that it has enough power to turn the weight of your machine, so pay attention to the torque it is capable of producing because it has to turn a lot of weight from a standing start. The other important consideration is that it have the wound rotor and wound stator so that it will "free wheel" with no attraction to anything when it is in the off mode between pulses. THAT IS THE MOST ESSENTIAL PIECE. A Chevy starter would be a good choice because it is DESIGNED to turn over engines from a dead start. It would probably BURN UP if used as a standard motor, but remember in our configuration it will be pulsed. On/Off. Most of the time it will be off, so I would say that is a perfect solution. Get an old one with a wound rotor and wound stator. New ones may have that configuration also, but I'm not sure.

Here's what I am building. I am building my OWN motor to run it.
YouTube - 11Turion's Channel

[sunboy]

Window motor driver is really the best choice, then: What is the best type of generator should choose it? efficient generator is also very important.

[Dwane]

FEG Replication

Hi guys
this is my first post, so be kind to me.

I have built a FEG. I seem to be missing something because although it runs not very smoothly - it is hunting, waiting for the next battery pulse - it does run but slowly drains the battery. I am uploading a few pics of the scope output and the actual machine.

I have built the magnets into the flywheel. Machining costs are not cheap. My first attempt kept bouncing off the bench because it was running unbalanced. With the machined parts my FEG runs smoothly. I have used N35 40x20x5 neodymium magnets. My first attempt with older ceramic magnets did not give a very strong output. The scope is showing about 60 volts (20 volt scale) through the diode into the capacitor. Two photos, after discharge - lower voltage and charging 50 volts. However, my caps only charge up to 32 volts over a period of about 1 second. I am limited to the size of capacitance. 10000uf is about the maximum at the moment. My run capacitors are a total 13uf

I am using the basic circuit of John Bedini, which I think is supposed to theoretically charge the battery with positive BEMF pulses. That said I have used a Hall sensor to define the changeover of flux through the coil but cannot seem to locate the actual point of pivoting to selectively collect the peak BEMF which should maximise the output to the cap. So I am thinking that I am maybe introducing some negative influence into the capacitor charge that is reducing the effectiveness of the charge prior to discharge into the battery.

It has taken a bit of time to put this FEG together so I am hopeful of getting it to run with the excess output as suggested by John Bedini in his book.

cheers

Dwane

Edit: the time base for the scope is 2ms. The voltage scale is 20 volts. Without a tachometer I am roughing the speed at around 620 RPM. The diameter of the flywheel is 295mm. I have eight coils and eight magnets.

[wrtner]

Dear Dwane,

Welcome aboard.

I am pretty sure that ferrite magnets, for some reason, are essential. This is certainly true of the Bedini SG. i.e. Neo magnets won't do.

Also, the motor needs to be a field wound motor - i.e. no resistance when there is no current.

Also, the pulse going to the motor MUST be out of step with the pulse coming from the energiser. I think this is where the flywheel comes in - trying to get a lag. There may be other reasons why keeping the magnets separate from the flywheel might be a good idea - for swapping andf exchanging if needed.

Is your scope a 2 channel one? If so, why not scope up the pulse to the motor on one and the pulse from the energiser on the other so we can all check that they are out of step?

All the best

Paul-R

p.s. Have you seen Patrick's mega-work?

http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk
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[wrtner]

Dear Dwane,

Welcome aboard.

What document are you following? There is a small A4 pamphlet called the Free energy Generator, 1984 or thereabouts and there is a book.

i am pretty sure that ferrite magnets, for some reason, are essential. This is certainly true of the Bedini SG. i.e. Neo magnets won't do.

Also, the motor needs to be a field wound motor. no resistance when there is no current.

Also, the pulse going to the motor MUST be out of step with the pulse coming from the energiser. I think this is where the flywheel comes in - trying to get a lag. There may be other reasons why keeping the magnets separate from the flywheel might be a good idea - for swapping andf exchanging if needed.

Since your scope is a 2 channel one, why not scope up the pulse to the motor on one and the pulse from the energiser on the other so we can all check that they are out of step?

All the best

Paul-R

p.s. Have you seen Patrick's mega-work?
http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk

[Dwane]

Hello wrtner,
Thanks for the comments. I am using the document titled "Bearden Bedini Free Energy Generation".

Mr Bedini states that permanent magnet motors are best. And having this running I would also add that any dc wound motor would work! From my reading of the various similar appliances I agree that the neodymium might be too strong as with the SG motor where I have read that the magnetic flux will saturate the fields surrounding the transistor, thus interfering with its operation. I am using a Hall sensor to capture the switching moment which is my problem for some reason. This switches perfectly but I am not getting the response I am expecting.

I did make the mistake of using N50 neodymium magnets. The forced needed to drive the rotor was far greater than the returns. I know what you are saying about the magnet strength and the neodymium magnets might be affecting the "hunting" effect I am getting. Actually I think my FEG it is running at closer to 1100 RPM than 620 RPM. I'll have to build a tacho.

I have the correct pulse sync I think. However when this is running it makes little difference either way. Strange to say. I have also found that alternating the phases when correlated to the actual main cap discharge is the important concept. Its either back to the battery or its a substitute for the battery pulse. It seems that like the SG there has to be a repulsion action as the magnet traverses the coil so as to enhance the low drag effect to enable the increased efficiency of the flywheel. And this is where the peaks are to be chopped.

This is a very clever design by Mr Bedini. He has not fully explained the principle in his book. He wants us to work it out I think. I am thinking that there must be something I am not doing properly or that I have not included in the setup. Also my literal circuit might be a bit too simplistic!!

Your comments make me think which is good. Sometimes we do not see the trees for the wood or vice versa!

Cheers and thanks

Dwane

[Dwane]

Update

Here are a few shots of the relays I am using. Its a bit messy a work in progress. The relays are 85amp with silver/copper contacts. They have about a 5ms switch time. I got them from Ebay. They are not cheap! They work though.

cheers

Dwane

[wrtner]

Mr Bedini states that permanent magnet motors are best.

I have the correct pulse sync I think. However when this is running it makes little difference either way.

The document is a 33 page A4 booklet, isn't it? (If a pdf, Adobe Reader thinks it is a 30 page doc). Just checking that we are using the same paper.

Where does he say this about PM motors?

The pulse sync issue may not necessarily be noticed. I believe that one type is regular electricity and the other is cold electricity. Therefore, they need to hit the battery separately.

It would be very useful if you were to put one channel on the pulse going to the motor and the other on the pulse coming from the energiser.

[Dwane]

The document is a 33 page A4 booklet, isn't it? (If a pdf, Adobe Reader thinks it is a 30 page doc). Just checking that we are using the same paper.

Where does he say this about PM motors?

The pulse sync issue may not necessarily be noticed. I believe that one type is regular electricity and the other is cold electricity. Therefore, they need to hit the battery separately.

It would be very useful if you were to put one channel on the pulse going to the motor and the other on the pulse coming from the energiser.

The book I am referring to is 191 pages long I have it's name as "Bearden Bedini Free Energy Generation.pdf". The reference to the Permanent Magnet motor is on page 30 under construction notes. "Permanent magnet motors are suggested based on good efficiency".

Interesting comment about the separating the two types of electricity regarding the pulse sync. I have read the instructions as a simultaneous striking of the battery terminal with a high frequency pulse. Perhaps you mean the BEMF pulse - electric charge only - does not go to the capacitor? and would go directly to the battery terminal? So what would charge the capacitors? Once the magnet has traversed the coil there would be no action until the arrival of the next magnet. My reading is that this starts a flux build up in the coil core. Like the SG everything happens as the magnet passes the peak flux density and the magnetic field collapses creating the BEMF. Do we collect the current from that field energising into the Capacitor? giving us two sources of electricity?

I have the flywheel stripped down at the moment while I set up another sync point for the Hall switch. I should be able to get a couple of photos tomorrow.
Though with a 1 second half cycle it will be difficult to show clearly on my old scope what you are looking at.

Perhaps you could give me the name of the booklet that you are using as a reference.

Cheers

Dwane

[Dwane]

Hello wrtner,
I have seen the problem. I am running the energiser too slowly. I think I was influenced by the Watson machine with the relays. This Energiser needs to be pulsed faster to get the benefit of the low drag design. I have been pulsing it slowly. The loss of momentum is causing the batteries to run down. I need to either switch the relays and fast pulse within the longer pulse or treat the unit as a PWM motor.

I'll post again in a week or so when I have finished rebuilding the controller.

Thanks for your insights.

Cheers

Dwane

[wrtner]

Dear Dwane,

Surely, your machine is a Watson machine, isn't it?

30 page pamphlet is here:
http://radiant-powered.com/downloads...yGenerator.pdf

I haven't seen the book, and so we may be at crossed purposes. I am thinking in terms of the pamphlet which shows a relatively simple set up. Seeing the pulses on the two channels would be very useful.

Paul

[wrtner]

Dear Dwane,

Surely, your machine is a Watson machine, isn't it?

It is worth remembering that there is no real difference between Bedini's device and that of Watson. It's just that Watson built the mother of all Bedini machines of that type.