Bedini's "Free Energy Generation" machine aka "1984" aka "Watson"

[baroutologos]

@ Nvisser

Could you supply some inspiring pictures regarding the FEG replication of yours?

Regards,
Baroutologos

[nvisser]

The motor is a 40v motor from an old printer
The flywheel was made out of 30mm thick superwood. Circ. 300mm with two flatbar rings welded around it. I balanced it with screws
The energizer is also two 200mm superwood rings with 8 magnets mounted on it
I used hardrive magnets. Neo`s I think. They are a bit weird but after cutting them in half with a thin angle grinder blade I had a north and south pole on different sides.
The coils are 4 layers of 20awg wire wound on solder spools at this stage but will change. They measure 8mH and measure 2 ohm each. I think the low resistance is a must for parallel resonance. My first coils had lots of turns and measured between 14 and 29 ohms and produced about 15v ac without a resonance cap, but at that stage I used a wiper motor that drew more current . I then discovered Bedini`s 1984 book and rewired them all!
Most of the stuff did not cost me any money. A few bucks for the bearings and labour for a carpenter to cut the super wood. He did not drill the holes straight so my energizers wheel has got a bit of a buckle which causes a problem between the magnets and the cores.
The 12mm shaft also comes from an ancient printer. The wire I got from degauss coils of old crt monitors as I am doing monitor and printer repairs for a living
The photos are not very inspiring, but that`s what I got so far

[nvisser]

I found a pdf file last night that explains lots of the things I saw on the net before. Probably the most informative document on zero point energy so far.
Have a look at the centre of page 11 underneath fig 10. The diode plug circuit for parallel resonance!

[baroutologos]

I have read it nvisser.

To be honest, it makes little sense to me. IMO its about theorizing and few actual hints given.

I am proceeding to my experimental FEG as planned. I really want to have something tangible to pester with

Anyway, rotos are being machined. Next week i will have update on it.

So much work to do...

Regards,
Baroutologos

[nvisser]

A BETTER DESCRIPTION OF THE DIODE PLUG CIRCUIT
http://freenrg.info/RV/Texts/HV_Reso...collection.pdf

[baroutologos]

One thing i have realized from the patents designs and info given on the books regarding free-energy machines.

They are concepts. They depict conceptually the machine. I do not believe if one blindly replicates the patent will come with an working machine.

Example? Plenty. See Kromrey generator, when Bedini tried to replicated it - no success. He modified it, and worked!

I ask how many of you achieved overunity by replicating Bedini patent without and modification? Not many i could say...

Regarding the Free Energy Generator. I have read the book many times. It gives a model of 6 magnets facing 6 coils all in phase.
Look at the only picture of Watson machine. It can clearly be seen that, the 6 coils of it ARE NOT in phase.

Actually they must be 6 coils and 7 magnets so the cogging drag to be minimized. So? No more in phase. That means, if not every coil had a cap (that did not, the machine had 2 caps) no more resonance between cap and coil.

Better scratch our heads and apply the concepts rather blindly follow the instructions given.

Regards,
Baroutologos

[nvisser]

I had some time today to add another 4 layers of wire to one of my coils.
The resistance is now 4ohms and it measures 28mH.
I connected the motor straight to the battery to test the coil’s output.
With the 8 magnets, the frequency at full speed measured 126Hz
I only used the one coil. The ac output was only between 3 and 4 V ac.
I calculated the parallel resonance capacitor as 56uF and used a 47uF.
C= (0.159/126Hz)^2/28mH
After connecting the 47uf capacitor in parallel with the coil, I got a beautiful sine wave on the scope that measured 18- 20V ac on the multimeter!
It could be a bit more with careful capacitance adjustment. I still have to put together an adjustable capacitor bank.
That means with all 4 coils I should get 80v ac if the speed does not drop too much because of drag.
I will keep you updated

[nvisser]

(Actually they must be 6 coils and 7 magnets so the cogging drag to be minimized. )

Hi Baroutologos
Can you try and explain above statement to me.
Never heard about it before and I could do with less drag!
Regards
Vissie

[baroutologos]

@Nvisser

Hi, have you ever see the watson machine photo?
I suppose, yes. Did you noticed that the coils are not matching the magnets?
If not, you surely will do now.

Why is that? When a rotor is build with powerful magnets, it is arranged that way so the stator cores (coil cores) are not matching all at once them (that's the reason for using odd number magnets even number coils and vice versa).

Why? Suppose they are neomagnets. Suppose each magnet faces a coil. Then try to separate them. Difficult if not impossible. Then, when set in motion, every time the rotor will come to allignment (all cores with magnets) will produce enormous stress on the axis and bearings thus making vibrations and other unwanted symptoms to show up. None want this to happen.

Bottom line, the odd - even numbers configuration between stator-rotor help to smooth the rotation as much as possible.


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regarding your setup.

How much rpm you enjoy?
A hubble advice of mine. Try making an LC circuit using only ONE COIL. How? Increase the coils impedance and consequently capacitance by making it some 29awg @ 60 ohm! DO not be afraid of resistance. The voltage becomes high enough and current small enough so resistance is not an big issue there.
Watch and reports results :P

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IMO, in FEG the extra energy (if it works) comes from the magnets and not from the resonance. In modern electronics applications they are muriads resonant circuits, yet none of them shows any OU. ( I may be wrong, even i do not think so) We here regard the magnets as energy sources and perhaps we are right. An inductor and capacitor are inactive objects.

My understanding so far is that FEG bends the Lenz Law.


Regards,
Baroutologos

[Michelinho]

Windmill axial flux alternator.

Hi nvisser,

The ratio of coil to magnet in a windmill axial flux alternator is always 3 coils for 4 magnets to help lower the drag caused by the eddy currents as they use air core coils. If you add a ferrous core, the problem compounds.

The same principle is easy to apply to any electricity producing apparatus using magnets and coils. So it is logical to assume that Bedini/Watson machine works with the same basic layout. The Letters of Patents might not say so, although I have not checked, but Letters of Patents never tell the whole story but it is often covered in a disguised way as to protect the inventor. Check Hugg Pigot Hugh Piggott - Scoraig Wind Electric or Otherpower Experiment site for windmill magnet to coil setup.

Take care,

Michel

[nvisser]

Thank you for the explanation lads
Can anybody explain how it is possible to generate any voltage from a magnet on an air core? I tried it on my solder roll coils. Even on one with many turns and a resistance of about 800 ohms, I could not get much voltage without cores. Maybe when using pancake coils I believe it can be possible

[Michelinho]

Thank you for the explanation lads
Can anybody explain how it is possible to generate any voltage from a magnet on an air core? I tried it on my solder roll coils. Even on one with many turns and a resistance of about 800 ohms, I could not get much voltage without cores. Maybe when using pancake coils I believe it can be possible

Since there is no high permeability core in an air core to distribute the magnetic flux through the whole coil in your test, only a small potential will be obtain because the magnetic flux only reach partly through your coil. The air core when used with only one set of magnet (one rotor) the coil must be as flat as the reach of the magnetic flux. If 2 opposing rotors are used as in a windmill dual rotor setup, the coil can be thicker but not exceeding certain parameters that are the strength of the magnetic flux and its ability to spread from one rotor magnet to its opposing one without bleeding back to itself.

I hope this answers your questions.

Take care,

Michel

[nvisser]

Hi
I can only find one photo of the Watson gen. That is the 2 combined photos with the smaller generator on top. On the top one I see 8 coils and magnets lined up. On the 12Kw generator I can see 8 very tall coils . I cannot determine how many magnets there are. It does not look like they line up so I suppose you are correct.
From the photo it looks like the magnets are further apart then the coils
With 8 coils and 7 magnets I suppose you space coils 45 degrees and the magnets 51.4 degrees.
That will surely form a funny waveform?
We have to remember the bedini`s book was written before Watson built his machine.
If you look at FIG 10, ON PAGE 10 OF THE OLD 1984 BEDINI FREE ENERGY GENERATOR BOOK You will see that bedini preferred parallel resonance.
In my first test runs when it did not work in OU I used lots of turns on each coil. In fact I filled it up. It measured about 24 ohms each. The voltage generated was well above 60v
When I look at Watson`s coils it looks like he could have used single layer coils. Very long ones though.
I had a quick look at the Otherpower Experiment site. At the wooden altenator. It reaches 12 volts for charging at 120 rpm, with 6 amps charging current at 300 rpm
With that kind of current it will be easy to recharge the battery while it is driving my motor constantly at say 1 amp. It all depends on the drag that such a generator will put on the motor. It sounds to good to be true!
With my 4 coils my motor draws about 400mA and runs at about 800 Rpm
It looks like I have to study this website for a bit

[baroutologos]

Hello Nvisser,

My setup progresses also. I had my rotors machined, magnets attached and bearings fit. I did work quite a lot the past weekend.

I plan at making the motor part SSG driven, but now i have serious doubts since the neos on the generator size are really overpowered.
Anyway, i proceed, by attaching 2 at first (and 3 later) SSG coils out of phased with indepedent trigger circuits as Shephiroth suggests for some torque at least.

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Regarding the FEG book.
I have the firm belief that if You follow the books instructions you will fail miserably. I do not expect any patent and any book to spoon feed you about an overunity decive. That's imposible.

See around, have experimentation, observe, conceive the essence of how things work and go with your gut in making designs. That does not means you have to deviate a lot from original plans, but what i am saying is just keep an open mind and do not be confined by them.

Bedini himself, mentions cleverly in his book, that do not have to worry if it does not work at first. Play with it and finally it will work! That the man says.

And this way i plan to proceed.


Regards,
Baroutologos

[wrtner]

There is a glorious simplicity to these designs which go back to the mid eighties:
BEDINI'S FREE ENERGY GENERATOR