Bedini's Kromrey Converter

[Shamus]

Hi Jang,

It occured to me that perhaps tuning this beast could be done like so: Short the output (either with or without FWBR, need to try both) and adjust the input side of the motor for highest RPM at the lowest amp draw. Enough data points to make a graph would be nice too.

I need to do this myself and get a DC motor since the AC motor I'm using seems to be built to ignore any loading on its shaft. Good luck! I'm sure we'll skin this cat yet!

[dambit]

Hi all,

Just got my new coil cores and shaft etc back form the machine shop. I'm always impressed with this guys work. Just thought I would post a pic for posterity before I hook into them.

Hopefully this time the magnetic flux completely charges the cores, as this is what I believe was not happening with my previous cores. We shall see....

Cheers,

Steve

P.S. The slip rings look out of whack, but this is just because they have no insulation yet and are sitting loose.

[Mark]

Looks Awesome and bullit proof too! I dont see anyway those coils can came apart with that set up.

Good luck on the build and have fun winding them coils.

[baroutologos]

Good looking Dambit!

I wonder how you balance that?

By the way, during the winding, do not forget the multi-fillar setup!

Regards,
baroutologos

[linesrg]

Barium Ferrite Magnets

Guys,

One detail of this device I've not seen mentioned here concerns the material from which the magnets are made.

I have strong reason to believe that in 1986 or thereabouts such magnets would have been barium ferrite only and not a barium/ strontium mix as nowadays.

I have commissioned some genuine barium ferrite magnets (at some personal expense) and am willing to sell these to any interested party. I do not wish to be seen as advertising for sale here and I have no idea as to how much of a performance difference these magnets might make but as I have said previously in this thread, my colleagues and I are leaving no stone unturned in our attempt to make our replication as genuine as possible.

Please EM me direct on courtiestown at co.uk

Regards

Richard

[NoNeed]

The "Mechanical Rotary Transformer" aka The "Brown-Ecklin Generator"

My question: (in hope someone with knowledge of such a system respond)
How does calculate those figures? In table 2 voltage is measured open circuit, current closed circuit thus he makes the assumption that must be V x A power output?


Peter Lindemann, was the original inventor of the so called "Brown-Ecklin Generator", it was orignally called the "Mechanical Rotary Transformer"
I've personally spoken and I am in contact with Peter.

He discussed the history and timeline of this device and it is explained in great detail here in this link.

I invited Peter to join the conversation, this was his reply.

(Peter)
{Thanks for the invitation, but I just don't have the time to get into this conversation. The real story about the "Brown-Ecklin Generator" is in POST #87 (on page 3) of the Electric Motor Secrets thread. I would not say that my generator is an advancement over the Kromrey designs.
They both have unique features that are worth further research.}

fluxgate generator

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...secrets-3.html

I first noticed this special type of Generator in Peter's Electric Motor Secrets DVD where near the end he briefly shows a "Variable Reluctance Generator"
and from further discussion with Peter he mentioned the requirement to create a "Lenz Law Clamp".

Hope this answer's your question?

Cheers
NoNeed

[baroutologos]

I am troubled.

Did you see Steve's replication photos? (not Dambit's )

Jeez, they machined like a heaven and still no where close OU.
Peter Lindemann on the other hand claims 120 % max efficiency (as bedini says) contrary to Eclin's geny report of 350%.

Do not know. I repeat if OU is to be achieved, SOMETHING we are not being told for sure.

EDIT: of course, on the other hand as Occam's razor goes (perhaps) we should start considering OU as poor's man dream. Evidence are overwhelming.

I hope i am wrong.

Regards,
Baroutologos

[dllabarre]

More regarding the Lenz Law Clamp from Peter Lindemann
Seems like what parallel coils would act like from what Aaron tried to explain to us a while back.

DonL


"While you're at it, you may want to try another trick we found. First shown in Bob Teal's motor, the set-up consists of TWO inductors in parallel, operated by the same switch. What happens is the two inductors charge up in PARALLEL, but when the switch turns off, they have nowhere to discharge to except into each other! This produces a situation we call a "Lenz Law Clamp" where the collapse of the magnetic fields buck each other in the series loop. Maximum magnetic field strength and currents are sustained for periods far in excess of the time it takes to charge the inductors in the first place. Teal used this trick to produce long power strokes on his solenoid engine with only short ON-TIME impulses. Since heat will be produced any time there is both voltage and current on the inductive heating elements, this may be a simple way to use just one switch (instead of two) and to get the biggest heat production from a low duty-cycle input.

Just a thought.

Peter"
Quote from: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...ment-bemf.html


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[nvisser]

in the DVD:
- Low impedance coils, connected in series, trifilar for low Z

What do you mean by trifilar wound coils for low z
Is it using 3 wires like litz wire and connect the ends together to get the resistance down or do you connect it like in the image below

[Shamus]

Yes, it's like a litz wire, just like John Bedini said to do in the video. If it is cold electricity being generated then the skin effect would manifest in this arrangement. Besides being low impedance.

I've never seen that drawing before, I guess I'll have to take a look at what Erwin's posted over there...

[dllabarre]

trifilar coils

What do you mean by trifilar wound coils for low z
Is it using 3 wires like litz wire and connect the ends together to get the resistance down or do you connect it like in the image below

According the the blackboard drawing John made in the DVD he connected each of the 3 wires from 1 coil to each of the 3 wires to the next coil.
NOT like the drawing you posted.

I measeured a trifilar toriod coil connected like the drawing you posted and the inductance was a lot higher compared to just connecting the 3 beginning wires together and the 3 end wires together.

[nvisser]

[QUOTE=dllabarre;65143]According the the blackboard drawing John made in the DVD he connected each of the 3 wires from 1 coil to each of the 3 wires to the next coil.

Does that means that the wires only get connected together by the beginning of the first coil and the end of the last coil?

[dllabarre]

[QUOTE=nvisser;65196]

According the the blackboard drawing John made in the DVD he connected each of the 3 wires from 1 coil to each of the 3 wires to the next coil.

Does that means that the wires only get connected together by the beginning of the first coil and the end of the last coil?

Did you see the DVD #10 from John B.?

[Shamus]

@Don: I'm guessing the answer is no.

@nvisser: Yes, the coils are only connected at the beginning of the first coil and at the end of the last.

We can connect the coils using the "Tesla method" to get more volts but apparently this is not the goal, the goal is (as is ever seems to be with this technology) matching impedance. Or so it would seem from the EFTV #10 DVD.

I still think that what's needed here is to map out shaft RPM vs. effects (volts/amps, shorting behavior, charging, coldness) for a particular machine for it to reveal the things shown in the DVD (assuming that the machine is properly built in all other aspects, of course). Otherwise it's just going to be more stabbing around in the dark.

[Paul Harmans]

Just a preview (see picture), the next weeks I will know if my converter will work properly

I did ask Anthony Craddock for more info or maybe a second DVD about the Kromrey, here are his answers:

‘All I understand is that right now the Bedini people are not providing any tech. support for this due to lack of time available.’

And in a second mail:

‘I think I heard somewhere that one needs barium ferrite for the magnets, which is apparently unobtainable now in the U.S., but is so in the U.K. But I stress I don't know this for sure.

If you check the YouTube trailer comments, there is a guy there that claims to be powering his apartment with a Kromrey converter.’

YouTube - "Energy from the Vacuum" Trailer - Pt. 10