Bedini's Kromrey Converter

[baroutologos]

I have pondered a little more the coils issue.
It seems that when an one way magnetic field is gradually being built (changing in strenth) towards a certain direction in a solenoid axis, the electrons are obliged to move in a certain direction. (left or right hand rule i do not remebr well)

The polarity of the coil should be depended not only from magnetic fields orientation but form coil windings either they are clock or cc-wise. I think this is due to the wormscrew effect.

So if electrons are obliged to move towards (say left) in a coil wound cc-wise, then the plus will be in bottom and minus in top. Because a left motion of electrons will lead them in a cc-wise coil in the top.
On the contrary, the same electron movement (to the left) if we have a clockwise coil, that will lead them to the bottom. hence bottom minus top plus.

Clearly, in both cases we have same way changing (in strength) magnetic filed, same direction electron movement but different coil pollarities.
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Regarding this Scheme, i have seen apart from the Kromrey Konverter, that Bedini uses it in his patent also.Device and method of a back EMF ... - Google Patent Search

This way, if i am correct, he produces in the same time (assuming all four coils are of same inductunce, and B-field flux receiving density) 2 same strength conflicting voltage pulses, effectively in classic electrical terms cancelling each other.

Is this the famous "non-linear zero" he have been talking about in his EFTV board teachings, by having two possitive pulses mutual canceling?

Baroutologos

[Info-Seeker]

Video 10 question...

Hey guys,

I have been studying much of Bedini's and Bearden's work. I had a question about the bridge rectifyer. I looked online and the only ones I could find didn't seem like the same thing John was using, and they were between $50 and $200 each.

Does anyone have a part number and a place to score these?

Thanks!

John

[baroutologos]

I wanted to ask one more time....

Has anybody attempted to charge the battery from either pole of the rectifier? If not can someone try.

Bedini does at time 32:00 - 33:00 and goes on to say "It doesn't care what you do with it..."

This is important because I haven't read anybody who said they had...

Another thing what color is the discharge when you throw a spark?

This is important as well...

Matt

I was re-checking this seemingly forgoten thread, and stubled upon this post of mr Mathew.
perhaps i did not understand well and i will reserve my commentary to a minimum suggestion..

In case you try, to PUT, a battery reversed connected to a FWBR, you get a nice cooked one.Either the device working or not, huge amperage will flow that rectifier at once, effectively cooking it. just try it
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By the way, since we have john Bedini among us in this forum, Can i dare to ask for some guidance on this topic? any help will be most welcomed.

Baroutologos

[Matthew Jones]

I fail to see your point. Did you try it? Was the response you got out of it bad?
Or are you just stating an opinion?

Matt

[Dave Michael Rogers]

Kromrey replication

Good Evening Everyone,

Recently I have started to follow the discussions here and thought it was probably time to start participating and hopefully have something to contribute.

I have replicated John's Kromrey (video's on Youtube, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OHxzT61nyU), and it is now complete with four barium ferrite magnet stacks.

It does speed up when Shorted.
It does speed up when heavily loaded.
Input current does reduce.
When open circuit it draws the maximum and runs the slowest.

So it does exactly as Kromrey says, even holding its voltage fairly constant over a wide range of rpm's.

It can be configured magnetically anyway you like (provided the coils are phased right) and the above effects are still there but to a lesser degree depending on the config.

I deliberately haven't mentioned COP.

Regards
Dave

[Matthew Jones]

Why haven't you mentioned COP?

Matt

[gmeat]

Hi Dave,


The video link that you posted is not working for some reason.



-Gary

I just found the right link,Thx for joining the energetic forums.Welcome aboard

YouTube - Kromrey Converter - speeding up under load

[Dave Michael Rogers]

Why haven't you mentioned COP?

Matt

Hi Matt,

Simply because it isn't worth mentioning yet. As yet it's about 0.5.

I can replicate nearly all of what is claimed for the Kromrey, except the low ohmage load with 20v pd in Eike Muller's report, and anything that gives greater than COP 0.5. I've even tried switching the short condition, which although does increase the output, it by itself isn't the answer.

Powering the Kromrey with a Mechanical Rotary Tesla Switch (I might post that on the Tesla Switch thread later if appropriate) might be the answer, but this is not what has been shown to tune the Kromrey into a COP > 1 condition and its discussion is probably not appropriate here?

Regards
Dave

[baroutologos]

I fail to see your point. Did you try it? Was the response you got out of it bad?
Or are you just stating an opinion?

Matt

No oppinion my friend, just the result in a similar g-field geny setup. My setup. You are next to try it and cook your FWBR.

@Dave Micheal Rogers,

Thanks for the input. By the way nice looking you tube video there.
Those keypoints you mention and are critical to the G-field machines, i have experienced also in a setup similar to FEG like (althouth fewer coils, Neo magnets, etc)

But regarding COP, always underunity.
I have few ideas to try with this machine, as opposing coils polarity... If i do any experiment with that, i let u know, anyway.

Baroutologos

[Matthew Jones]

Dave.

You mentioned the patent. In the patent Kromrey is pretty clear about the need to use multiple pole in a odd number as to keep the switching in a opposite direction at every flux path.

Do you have the means to track the amperage output over time, or maybe chart it?

I was wondering if more amperage would be made from a change between N-N or S-S. If the amperage charted jumped up and down in pattern that might be a clue to a problem.

I am getting close to having mine together to start testing.

Cheers
Matt

[Matthew Jones]

No oppinion my friend, just the result in a similar g-field geny setup. My setup. You are next to try it and cook your FWBR.

How about some results from that setup. That would be nice to see. What kind of performance are you getting of it?

Cheers
Matt

[Dave Michael Rogers]

Dave.

You mentioned the patent. In the patent Kromrey is pretty clear about the need to use multiple pole in a odd number as to keep the switching in a opposite direction at every flux path.

Do you have the means to track the amperage output over time, or maybe chart it?

I was wondering if more amperage would be made from a change between N-N or S-S. If the amperage charted jumped up and down in pattern that might be a clue to a problem.

I am getting close to having mine together to start testing.

Cheers
Matt

Hi Matt,

This is a dilema. The objective of this replication was to replicate the G-Field generator that John built based on Kromrey's work. We know that it is reported that there were mistakes in the patent that John corrected in order to get the machine to work, but what were those mistakes? Kromrey depicts both main configurations as far as I'm concerned.

The permanent magnet set-up shows us the conventional route of closing of the magnetic circuit when charging the armature iron. This maximises the irons magnetic properties, generates the most power, but also requires the most.

The electro-magnet set-up shows a bucking arrangment where the magnetic circuit is never closed with the iron. This arrangment is how John's Kromrey is described in a paper called Scalar Currents (I think by King ?). Instead of electromagnets the stacks are all mounted the same, so that the North is always at the top say. This produces two monopole rotors. Doubles the frequency of the output and doesn't let the iron flip polarity, which supposidly causes it to heat up.

Question that needs to be answered. What does Barium ferrite remember?

Regards
Dave

[Matthew Jones]

The permanent magnet set-up shows us the conventional route of closing of the magnetic circuit when charging the armature iron....
The electro-magnet set-up shows a bucking arrangment where the magnetic circuit is never closed with the iron...

I don't see this in the patents by Kromrey.
KROMREY ELECTRIC GENERATOR - Google Patent Search

He's shows it working both ways but the basic principal is the same. Is that what your referring too.

Can you point me to that paper.

Matt

[Dave Michael Rogers]

I don't see this in the patents by Kromrey.
KROMREY ELECTRIC GENERATOR - Google Patent Search

He's shows it working both ways but the basic principal is the same. Is that what your referring too.

Can you point me to that paper.

Matt

Hi Matt,

Fig 2 of the patent is where I think the "mistake" is shown, because the way Kromrey shows the iron pole pieces being attached to the magnets is wrong, but fundamentally shows a magnetic circuit that has the magnetic streams passing from north to south through iron conduits / lens' (the pole pieces and armature). The circuit is complete and VERY strong. The magnet locks are quite awsome with just a 0.1mm gap and requires the use of iron shorting bar on the stacks to start the machine without a huge initial current draw.

Fig.6 Shows the electromagnet version, which if you follow the right hand rule for the electromagnets will show that the setup is that of two monopole stators. Because the electromagnets are opposing each other through the armatures, the magnetic circuit is broken. But because the armature coils are counter wound to each other, they still collect the collaspe of the differential of magnetics in the armatures. Fig 6 can be setup with permanent magnets of course.

The armatures are quite specific in construction and the hole in the middle where the non-magnetic shaft passes through will create two opposing surfaces. Effectively, overall, everthing should cancel out, but with the coil counterwound and through an fwbr, I can still light a 240v light bulb (very dimly, but it is lit).

Can I post a winrar file containing the chapter from Scalar Currents regarding John's scalar Kromrey?

Regards
Dave

[sailorwarren]

Thanks guys. I just hope it works wont know until I get the coils installed.

Hi dambit,
I am also building a kromery and am just about at the same stage. I used neo magnets to construct the horseshoes, putting them on the legs of the horseshoe rather than the back bar. I got the neos at a lost leader sale for under $1 each and ended up buying 220 of them. I am not sure of the wisdom of this, but I sure will have a lot of strong fridge magnets if they don't work. Right now I am winding a four strand set of coils from #20 gauge wire. It is very slow and tedious because I am doing this on my metal lathe by hand cranking the chuck around backwards and using the threading gears in an effort to keep the coils as dense as possible. My major problem so far was getting the size of coil spools that I needed. I ended up making them from polycarbonate. It was the center section that proved the most challenging because I could only find 3/4"ID 1" tube. When I attempted to drill and ream it out, it simply stretched rather than machined. Finally I pressed it into a steel tube and was able with much trouble to get it to the correct size. The spools are 4" in diameter and 3 3/4" long and press over a 7/8" diameter core units that pierce the 316L stainless steel shaft. It is a two core, six magnet arrangement, with two slip rings located at one end.The cores are bundled rods inside thin walled tubes like Bedini style, but I have made provision to make them exchangeable for other core materials like epoxy-nano iron which I will also try.
I hate operating in a vacuum, and am pleased to know someone else is working along similar lines. I don't know what I am doing, but am stumbling along as best I can.
Cheers Warren