Bedini's Kromrey Converter

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[baroutologos]

Its not hard to see a negative energy flow in different machines. But the quality of the components does matter.
Like I said if the material in anyway stores a charge, you have defeated yourself.
I haven't built one of these, but I have built a motor that produces the same stuff. It makes Batterries Cold. But in the attempts to duplicate it I have had to switch out parts several times until I found the right materials.

I also use micrometer on my magnets to size them correctly. I do paper clip test on every one to make sure they are within a certian tolerance of each other. If one magnet is bigger in an assembly then the rest the feild will alter.

These things make a difference.

Thats all I'm gonna say about it.

Matt

Micrometer? LoL? It sounds nuclear science to me.
Man i am overconfident that minor deviations does not alter a thing...
Those who claim micrometer matters is about to derail valid attempts.
By the way did you achieved OU?

Regards,
Baroutologos

[Matthew Jones]

By the way did you achieved OU?

I have several times. Like I said I haven't built this one yet, just my own small motor generator combo. Works off of the same principle.

64th of inch difference between 2 magnets can propotion a field incorrectly in and magnetic assembly (You know the magnets you have stacked up).

If the Gauss is higher in one set and lower in another you can misalign the bloch wall.

Alot of little things add up.

But you know better, I'm sure. Bedini's just telling stories. After all he must be, because you can't make it work.

Matt

[dambit]

64th of inch difference between 2 magnets can propotion a field incorrectly in and magnetic assembly (You know the magnets you have stacked up).

If the Gauss is higher in one set and lower in another you can misalign the bloch wall.

Matt

Hi Matt,

After having seen the EFTV 11 about the magnetic gates and stuff, your comments make a lot of sence. I was under the impression that small differences in magnet size wouldn't matter, but now I think it could be one of several important variables.

I think I will build a small G-field setup, 2 coils and rotating magnets. Less magnets to worry about and no brush assembly.
Once that works I will focus on getting my large unit working.

Cheers,

Steve

[Matthew Jones]

Just keep in mind, what your are trying to emulate is a permanent magnet (Steady State). A magnet in good form does not have flaws in its feild. Its feild is constant.
Your feild on the other hand has the ability to shut off when the coils are out of alignment. Allowing you to divert the energy flow.
Everything else though needs to be as tight as you can get it.

And I'l restate what I said earlier, recycled materials have a lower standard than virgin. Know what kind of metals your using or use plastic or wood.

Cheers
Matt

[Matthew Jones]

Just to hit home a little more, this is an example of what the magnets I order look like.
This lot was bought cheap and I expected this, but if I were to use these in the application you guys are they would not perform well.

Of course you can buy higher grade magnets, and they are more uniform in appearance, but the magnetic characteristics still may vary.

Matt

[linesrg]

What you say is correct but......

Matthew,

Balancing the field strength of each magnet stack may indeed be another variable in the mix but I still contest by what standard do we judge we have succeeded or failed with trying to replicate this machine?

Certain camps have some very strange ways of calculating COP and JB's is one of them. The simplistic view is that a 120 or 180% result would indicate more power out than is driving the machine but I very much doubt this will be the case.

Regards

Richard

[Matthew Jones]

Whats wrong with the way he measures? How would you do it different?

And where is his way of measuring COP on that device published?

Anything over 100% is a success.. Its a converter, that turns EMF into a better energy supply.

Matt

[dllabarre]

Whats wrong with the way he measures?
And where is his way of measuring COP on that device published?
Matt

Can someone post how John measures COP for the G-Field Converter or for any of his motors/converters, so we can measure ours the exact same way?

Thanks,

[linesrg]

Good Evening,

I have never understood how Bedini calculates the effectiveness of his devices. He has shown on a couple of occasions to my knowledge, how he calculates his figures and they completely bamboozle me.

I have posted in this thread and elsewhere that this subject is fundamental and is not 'off-topic' as some would like to see it.

If you put 1W in to driving a device and you extract 1.000000001W out then that is quite simply overunity in its simplest form.

Some would have you believe that if you put 100Joules of energy in to the output battery of an SG and extract 101Joules then that is a COP>1. I guess it is but this ignores that fact you've probably input 300Joules in to driving the SG in the first place so you are nowhere near overunity.

'We' are building as near a replica of this device as we can including casting the pole pieces and we have sourced suitable magnets. We are still looking for a supplier of the correct pattern brush material.

Regards

Richard

[Matthew Jones]

Some would have you believe that if you put 100Joules of energy in to the output battery of an SG and extract 101Joules then that is a COP>1. I guess it is but this ignores that fact you've probably input 300Joules in to driving the SG in the first place so you are nowhere near overunity.

If you put 300 joules in and only get out 100 joules then have a COP of about .33 .

MY monopole takes 50+- watts hrs in and grows the batteries by 150+-watts hrs. It induces a condition in the batteries to allow extra energy to flow into the charge battery. So the charge battery has a COP of 3. The machine itself only only emits the same amount of energy it takes in, but it energy changes form.

You should probably consider joining one of his groups. They teach how to measure a monoploe motors output to the battery. It would beat just assuming the answer. If you felt it was wrong you could argue your case better.

To measure a g-field generator you would have to charge a capacitor, all the while switching the capacitor poles to discharge. Measure the discharges through a load. To actually get good readings, you would have to do this with 2 caps.
You could on the other hand measure the charge battery with a BK meter. Measure opposite the poles you charged.

Those would be my best guess based on experience.

Matt

[MileHigh]

Matthew:

> MY monopole takes 50+- watts hrs in and grows the batteries by 150+-watts hrs. It induces a condition in the batteries to allow extra energy to flow into the charge battery. So the charge battery has a COP of 3. The machine itself only only emits the same amount of energy it takes in, but it energy changes form.

Can you tell us how you made your measurements?

For real experimenters, you should stay away from the BK meter and try to figure out how to measure your battery's capacity yourselves. That's supposed to be part of the fun.

MileHigh

[Matthew Jones]

BK makes it easy. I wouldn't know how to measure a batterries capacity without it.

I measure the voltage on the battery at the begining and end of a cycle and average them. I measure the amps to the machine. Get my watts in.

I measure the amperage out of the machine. I use a bridge on the output and measure the potential on it while the machine is running. Gets my watts out.

I know how long it took to discharge the battery while using it the first time I discharged it. 13.2volt to 12.2 volts with a 150 watt load (Inverter and 2 lights) takes 1 hour or so. Then I just recharge it. 50 watts outa the run set adds 150 watts to the charge set. I can pull a load for about an hour every time.

I have measured it with a BK as well.

Its not hard to figure out. And I'm sure someone will say its wrong. But it works like clock work that way.

You can also just measure the battery voltage at the begining and end of each cycle with rest time. Watch the amps in and out. And calculate COP from the watts.
That'll give you a lower number though. After the batterries have been conditioned they will deliver more power than expected.

I had to build 6 of them before I started seeing good result. My first was failure. I beefed it up with bigger coil and it it went over 1. I keeped on going with bigger coils and square cores as opposed to round and found good combination. That the last one I built.

Cheers
Matt

[baroutologos]

So the question is SSG again.

My friends, the most reliable method of power output (since input is easily measured) is to have repeatedly charge and discharge a conditioned bettery to predifined voltages say 10 times.

The discharge part should be done with a fixed load, say a buld at c20 rate, and each time measure and record how long it takes to get to the fixed voltage minimum.
If that done repeatedly, then easily you can compare in vs out.
Failure to report OU with this then you are just lying to yourself.

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edit: @ Milehigh,

we had a "dispute" over long-short coils' inductunce.
Here is another example my friend of the same site.
See coil number one (short one) ERSE - IXQ Coil, wire used 16AWG @ 0.342 ohms - 5 mH inductunce and the usual long coil ERSE - IXQ Coil , same wire gauge @ 0.309 ohms - 5.6mH.
Conclusion! If wire length used is above a certain amount then when used at short coil leads to less inductunce than the same wire to long coil. (period). The effect is greatly amplified as the layer goes thicker and thicker.

Instead see the short coil wire (16awg @ 0.342 ohms) -5 mh if used in the longer core gives 6.2 mH. (16awg @ 0.339 ohms) ERSE - IXQ Coil

Regards,
Baroutologos

ps: "think out of the box"

[dllabarre]

Conclusion! If wire length used is above a certain amount then when used at short coil leads to less inductunce than the same wire to long coil. (period). The effect is greatly amplified as the layer goes thicker and thicker.
Instead see the short coil wire (16awg @ 0.342 ohms) -5 mh if used in the longer core gives 6.2 mH. (16awg @ 0.339 ohms)
Regards,
Baroutologos

So, if you use the same wire length, same core DIAMETER, just a longer coil, then the longer coil will mean less layers of wire so more of the wire will be closer to the core thus giving it more inductance. Correct or not?

These facts are based on coils that will have electricity passed into them through their wires as opposed to what we are using coils for; moving the coil past a magnet to generate electricity in the coil. In our case we want shorter coils and enough layers so the diameter of the coil covers the whole magnetic field produced by the magnets. Correct or not?