Bedini 10-coil

[juju]

Hi bytes, thank you!

if the battery is charging like crazy then maybe you allready have self running!

but just for clearence... have you allready tryed without "closed loop" at the bedini charge output versus the generator coil output and compare measurements of one, when the other is onload? to see if you loose power from oneside when the other one is loaded?

how much voltage do your generator coils show without load? are you stepping down to 12V and more amperage with the transformer and going to charge battery, or your put it directly AC to the drive side, in parallel with inverter output?

i have to apologize, I went with the wrong foot... please forgive me, dont like the others to question my goals or beliefs and I made you what i dont want to myself, shame on me!

i judge you and you must be such a good person, because your intentions are very pure and you choose to share, persons like you are special!

here is a circuit that aeron shared... he says that this is the best way to close loop a system, because dont kill the dipole, this way the cap dont see the battery, but the battery see the cap... so will not charge it, but only take charge of it, so the juice system takes from the battery is only what the cap was not able to supply and if it is more power that the system needs to run, you will be drawing no more juice of your battery and you will take the "extra" energy out with a zeenier, or voltage regulator!

in my setup "uncle lenz" likes to mess around, because im using drive coils of 2 ohm in series... and the generator coils are 200ohm (hig impedeance), your winding are "one to one" transformer?

again, thank you very much for all!

hug

Not sure if I understand the question, but will try and explain. All original coils (10) are producing ouput to the charge side. So far, 2 additional coils have been added (gen coils) and been configured as described earlier. The energy these coils produce are feed into the drive side. Without the inverter on the charge battery, it charges like crazy. I went from 12.1 to 13.5 in about 10 min. I will be adding 2 more coils (Gen) to get closer to making this self running.

Hope this helps.

Bit's

[minoly]

Hi John, on the transformer I am connecting to the full winding, center tap is not connected. I haven't measured the Peak spike yet. No load on the transformer is about 68.2 volts, but I need more windings (coils). As for the serialing of the coil windings, I don't think that it is transformer action (that is created by the pulse) but mearly just more turns about the core. Make sure when you serialize the winding that you always take the ending wire back to the "next" begining winding"

Bit's

When we hook up the scope to our build, we see both the transformer from radiant spike as well as the generator action. our coil is advanced 22 degrees or we do not see much of the generator action.

[juju]

hello

Could you please refer us to the thread where you found this diagram.

The thread is the earth battery, the guys were studing a method to improve the stubblefield coil!

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...ery-sg-19.html

hugs

[Bit's-n-Bytes]

When we hook up the scope to our build, we see both the transformer from radiant spike as well as the generator action. our coil is advanced 22 degrees or we do not see much of the generator action.

I don't have my coils advanced. They fire at the same time the drive coils do.

Bit's

[Aaron]

clairification of feedback method

here is a circuit that aeron shared... he says that this is the best way to close loop a system, because dont kill the dipole, this way the cap dont see the battery, but the battery see the cap... so will not charge it, but only take charge of it, so the juice system takes from the battery is only what the cap was not able to supply and if it is more power that the system needs to run, you will be drawing no more juice of your battery and you will take the "extra" energy out with a zeenier, or voltage regulator!

I didn't claim it is the best but rather one of the keys to show how to take
output from the back and put it to the front without the front power supply
ever seeing it. "pseudo close-looped" so to speak.

It definitely works and can usually cut power consumption from the
source power supply by half, easily. There are other variations of this
CONCEPT that can be done and there are other sources of input that can
be added to the input without the battery being used to both power
something and be charged at the same time or alternatively, which the
battery doesn't like very much, under normal circumstances. Some of
the other sources of input can be from earth battery/rod set up's, etc...

[broli]

Can someone with this motor please perform a 1 min test if you have an DMM that measures L that is. Measure inductance when magnet is farthest away, and measure inductance when magnet is at TDC. Thanks for the effort.

No one? I'm not asking much.

[nvisser]

I have got a LC meter and a loose 8 filar coil. I will do a measurement for you but keep in mind that my coil is not the same as the one from the kit as I don't no the coil size , number of turns and wire # that they use.

[broli]

I have got a LC meter and a loose 8 filar coil. I will do a measurement for you but keep in mind that my coil is not the same as the one from the kit as I don't no the coil size , number of turns and wire # that they use.

Thanks. Don't worry about that as long as you share the specs of the coil and core that is fine. It's intended for a different project and would like to see how much inductance changes when a magnet is near a core of the coil.

[nvisser]

I have to report that the inductance stays the same with or without the magnet. There is a slight change while the magnet is moving but after it has stuck to the core at tdc it goes back to it's original reading
Coil size: 60mm x 60mm
core size: 20mm pvc with wire inside
9 Strands of 24# wire
Each strand measures around 4.8 ohm
Inductance of each strand without magnet: 6.6mH
Inductance with magnet at tdc: Also 6.6mH

[broli]

Sorry your numbers are a bit confusing without any description. For instance 60mm x 60mm measured how exactly? And by "wire inside" do you mean steel rods used as core material?

If that's the case then that's not normal. If the magnet is even stuck to the core without any change then the core is seemingly doing nothing. Have you tried sticking a magnet on both sides too?

[nvisser]

coil length 60mm
coil diameter 60mm
core 20mm pvc filled with steel rods
The inductance will only change if you change the core size or pull it out bit by bit like an adjustable coil
A moving magnet will show changes. A magnet stuck to the core can make no difference.
I measured another coil. It is a solder bobbin filled with 24# wire , measuring 14 ohm. The inductance is 221mH and it does not change with magnets on one or both side.

Something a bit off topic: I picked up a while ago while measuring the inductance of a transformer secondary to try and calculate its resonant freq. with a certain parallel cap value was that if I shorted the primary winding, the inductance on the secondary changed a lot.
I now did the same on the 9 filar coil
As already reported one strand measures 6.8 mH
when I short another winding(strand) the inductance on the one under measurement goes down a lot to 0,27 mH
Shorting a second winding brings it down to 0.17 mH
Interesting? Maybe somebody can shed some light on this and if it can be used like that to change a coils inductance easy while in operation instead of moving the core in and out.

[citfta]

Changing inductance

I'll try to answer the following.

coil length 60mm
coil diameter 60mm
core 20mm pvc filled with steel rods
The inductance will only change if you change the core size or pull it out bit by bit like an adjustable coil
A moving magnet will show changes. A magnet stuck to the core can make no difference.
I measured another coil. It is a solder bobbin filled with 24# wire , measuring 14 ohm. The inductance is 221mH and it does not change with magnets on one or both side.

Something a bit off topic: I picked up a while ago while measuring the inductance of a transformer secondary to try and calculate its resonant freq. with a certain parallel cap value was that if I shorted the primary winding, the inductance on the secondary changed a lot.
I now did the same on the 9 filar coil
As already reported one strand measures 6.8 mH
when I short another winding(strand) the inductance on the one under measurement goes down a lot to 0,27 mH
Shorting a second winding brings it down to 0.17 mH
Interesting? Maybe somebody can shed some light on this and if it can be used like that to change a coils inductance easy while in operation instead of moving the core in and out.

A multi filar coil is actually the same as a transformer. If you measure the input power to a transformer when there is no load on the secondary you will see the input power is fairly low. If you connect a load on the secondary you will see the input power go up depending on how much you load the secondary. This is a normal function of a transformer caused by the change in inductance of the primary which is caused by the change in the load on the secondary.

There is a device that uses this principal to control the power through a transformer. It is called a magnetic amplifier. It is a special transformer that uses an extra winding that has a DC current flowing through it that is varied to change the inductance of the transformer. This is used to control how much power is allowed to pass though the transformer to the secondary winding. A very small current in the control winding can control a very large current in the secondary winding.


Hope this helps, Carroll

[nvisser]

Thank you Carroll
I think I saw what you described here in the Hector transverter project although I did not grasp it then.
I will go back there and have another look. It can be that they adjust that to get the output of the transformer into resonance.

[juju]

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I see 31 pages on that thread . Can you please give me a post number

if you click in the link you go directly to the page with the schematic! 19!

[the_mog]

hi all,

there seems to be a lot of confusion regarding the coil setup of the 10 coiler,

could someone Please tell us what size is the coil: height/width and core diameter,

also what size wire is used for power / trigger windings,
if we have this and the weight we could pretty much calculate the length of each winding

this would be a great help

Thanks

K-