Bedini 10-coil

[juju]

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dear friend,

its the post 542 on page 19!!

[juju]

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weird stuff!!

i just have to click in the link that i gave you to go directly to the post!

keep it up

[TeslaTech]

Hi Bits-n-Bytes,
thanks for posting your work! thats great! I have also purchased the 10 coiler kit. Thats nice to exchange some infos about it.
Charging right now a bank with 16 x 100 Ah @ 12V Batteries = 1600Ah 12V.
I've bought the batteries when they're were 5 years old. The seller said he can get 500 Euro at the junkyard, so they are pretty sulfated.

Still conditioning the batteries, made 4 banks with 4 batts. Charging one bank under 24hrs toward 15 Volts.

I'm using also a selfmade regulated dc transformer with a bridge and big cap (6000 microFarads @ 600Volts) to power the 10 coiler. i can adjust the voltage from 0 - 300 Volts.

To use a strand isolated from the 10 coiler circuit, i had the same idea, just
charging a 55Ah batt. with just only one wire from the eight strands. The additional battery is completly isolated from the 10 coiler. I can measure over 45 Volts on this one wire. Just use a diode and rectified the charge to the batt.

What makes me thinking is what rick in the 10 coiler instructions stated: qoute" We never placed batteries of lesser voltage on the output charging side than that on the input primary side. "
Does anybody have an idea what does it exactly means ?



Thanks

Sebastian

[Bit's-n-Bytes]

Hi Bits-n-Bytes,
thanks for posting your work! thats great! I have also purchased the 10 coiler kit. Thats nice to exchange some infos about it.
Charging right now a bank with 16 x 100 Ah @ 12V Batteries = 1600Ah 12V.
I've bought the batteries when they're were 5 years old. The seller said he can get 500 Euro at the junkyard, so they are pretty sulfated.

Still conditioning the batteries, made 4 banks with 4 batts. Charging one bank under 24hrs toward 15 Volts.

I'm using also a selfmade regulated dc transformer with a bridge and big cap (6000 microFarads @ 600Volts) to power the 10 coiler. i can adjust the voltage from 0 - 300 Volts.

To use a strand isolated from the 10 coiler circuit, i had the same idea, just
charging a 55Ah batt. with just only one wire from the eight strands. The additional battery is completly isolated from the 10 coiler. I can measure over 45 Volts on this one wire. Just use a diode and rectified the charge to the batt.

What makes me thinking is what rick in the 10 coiler instructions stated: qoute" We never placed batteries of lesser voltage on the output charging side than that on the input primary side. "
Does anybody have an idea what does it exactly means ?



Thanks

Sebastian

Thanks Sebastian, great to hear your success. I have hooked all different variations even with 36 volts on the input and only 12 on the output. I am going to be speaking with Rick here shortly so I'll ask him or John why they put this statement in. I have more in the development works and will be able to display shortly. (Sneak preview is I will be using the TS, my own inverter, and a thrid device which will throw this 10 coiler into OU). Tall order I know. More to come.

Bit's

[Joit]

What makes me thinking is what rick in the 10 coiler instructions stated: qoute" We never placed batteries of lesser voltage on the output charging side than that on the input primary side. "
Does anybody have an idea what does it exactly means ?



Thanks

Sebastian

Hi,
well, that they never charged with ie 12Vinput 6 Volt Batteries?
or with 24V in 12 V at the output.
At last i compare it with charging a 9V Block with 12V.
There is still a rest of Voltage, what runs trough the Circuit, and its maybe not healthy for the Batterie, when it gets such strong and fast hits.
At the other Side, Voltage will break down when it hits resistance, what is more as the Input.
So, when you have the Spikes with ie 60V or more, it will break down inside the Batterie to maybe 8V, but its actually allways the Amount from the Status of the Batterie.
Another thing i found out, is, actually you can charge every Cells, even Button cells, just need a very very small Amount of current, because they cant handle a lot, eiter will go hot, or burn something inside.
It only depends at the amount or the Unit of Energy, what they get each Cycle.
Bigger Batteries maybe can handle more of it, so it should not hurt them fast.
What is the Rule for charging Batteries? About 20% from theyr Capacity? 1/5 typically, but not over 1/3.
Even where there is may higher current from the Alternator.
At 40Ah it is a Amount of 6Ah permanent charge.
I stay at max 10%, mostly far lesser from each Batterie and i think am at the save Side.

[robbie47]

What makes me thinking is what rick in the 10 coiler instructions stated: qoute" We never placed batteries of lesser voltage on the output charging side than that on the input primary side. "
Does anybody have an idea what does it exactly means ?

Sebastian

The source battery is connected to a charging battery via a series connection of a secondary winding of the coil and a fly-back diode . If the diode threshold is e.g. 0.7-1.0 Volt, there will be a DC charging current from the source battery via the secondary winding and the diode to the charging battery if the voltage difference between the source and the charging battery is >0.7 -1.0 Volt.

[TeslaTech]

Hi Robbie47,

this is what my intuition the whole time said! The flyback blocks only in one direction of course (to prevent that current flows back from the charging side back into the circuitry). There is a difference in potential and the curren/voltage flows always from a higher state to a lower state.
Now the whole stuff makes sense!!!

The other thing what makes me think is, the original 10 coiler from Bedini, had to magnets with northpoles facing each other and makes a “pinpoint beam” like Bedini said. But in the purchased one there are no option for this….
This circumstances could also reduce the effiency of the machine.



Greets

Sebastian

[Bit's-n-Bytes]

Hi Robbie47,

this is what my intuition the whole time said! The flyback blocks only in one direction of course (to prevent that current flows back from the charging side back into the circuitry). There is a difference in potential and the curren/voltage flows always from a higher state to a lower state.
Now the whole stuff makes sense!!!

The other thing what makes me think is, the original 10 coiler from Bedini, had to magnets with northpoles facing each other and makes a “pinpoint beam” like Bedini said. But in the purchased one there are no option for this….
This circumstances could also reduce the effiency of the machine.



Greets

Sebastian

I just talked to Rick, and he said that if the source side (drive side) is higher than the charge side, that you run the risk of blowing the tranny's. The charge load ALWAYS has to be connected to a load so if the charge side had a lower voltage than the drive, it could be seen as having no load connected. He also said the best charging occurs with the larger source.

Thanks

Bit's

[ren]

hmmm. Thats funny. Ive run with 130vdc input to 24vdc charging bank....

Must have got lucky.....

[sucahyo]

I just talked to Rick, and he said that if the source side (drive side) is higher than the charge side, that you run the risk of blowing the tranny's. The charge load ALWAYS has to be connected to a load so if the charge side had a lower voltage than the drive, it could be seen as having no load connected. He also said the best charging occurs with the larger source.

The always part do deserve being bolded . Maybe it is less severe with charge side having having impedance than drive side. I guess with coil that many and having low impedance the resulting output current would easily exceed the transistor limit with lower impedance output.

Would the input current reduce or increase with lower impedance output?

[WeThePeople]

I just talked to Rick, and he said that if the source side (drive side) is higher than the charge side, that you run the risk of blowing the tranny's.

Then Rick is wrong,
that is,
if the proper components were selected.


Only improper switching could cause failure.

Any, and I mean ANY confluence of the primary
to the secondary effect would mean certain failure.

You CAN run 120 in, and 12.0 out, period.

You should be able to run ANY input.

But then again, I've been away a while.
I was following the discovery that scaler magnetics
DO INDEED follow aluminum paths after all !!!



How are people doing with this "Kit" ?

In any event,
Ren is simplistic proof.

[robbie47]

You CAN run 120 in, and 12.0 out, period.

It's my understanding below figure is valid here.
As posted earlier if Uin > (Uout + diode threshold) and the switch is open, Uout will be charged until voltages of both batteries have leveled.

But maybe I am wrong about the actual basic circuit being used here.

[albertMunich]

Hi,
I have run and still run my 3 coil machine with 36 volts on the input and several big batteries in parallel 12 volts on the output. Nothing gets hot, the transistors and everything else /except the potentiometer!/ stay cold. 3 Amps in. Makes one amp per coil.
BUT: There might be a negative effect on smaller batteries. If you don't have BIG batts on the output, the plates will suffer from the "slamming" they get from the high voltage. This can go beyond 700 volts.
On the 10 coiler the safe way might indeed be to have the same voltages in and out.
TeslaTech you are talking about EUROS- does that mean you are in Europe and have received the Friedrich kit? Then I'd like to know how high the shipping costs were and if everything arrived well. How was your communication with RF?

I'm in Germany and the distances and shipping costs are a bit daunting to me.



Here's an image of my machine running seven LED spotlights from a single recovery coil.the coil is in the 14 h position on the machine and not connected to the rest of the circuitry.

[ren]

I just talked to Rick, and he said that if the source side (drive side) is higher than the charge side, that you run the risk of blowing the tranny's. The charge load ALWAYS has to be connected to a load so if the charge side had a lower voltage than the drive, it could be seen as having no load connected. He also said the best charging occurs with the larger source.

Thanks

Bit's

Sorry Bits, I just re read your post here and it seems to contradict itself in a couple of places. Read it through again. It would seem to me that you are saying a load must be connected to the charging side? And then that the BEST charging occurs with a higher source? But it's more risky?

My humble opinion? The higher the source the more current/voltage difference is pushed, and thus the faster the battery rises in terminal voltage. If you have taken the time to study the best methods of charging and done the load tests (like I know some of you have) you know this doesn't mean much at all, and that, like John says, the battery has it's own time frame in which it will charge best. When I ran 130v input the 24v bank was at 33v almost instantly. But this isn't good charging at all, infact the opposite IMO. Now if the bank was much larger in capacity (not 12a/H) it may have taken longer, but still may not have been a good charge, or may have done damage over an extended period or repeated cycles.

Personally, I wouldn't bother with more than 125%-150% on the input compared to the output, when charging batteries.

Albert, lights look great, fair amount of juice there on that genny coil. )

Check Truth In Heart CREDIT CARD ORDERING CENTER, I think you will find it is only $200 for international shipping. That shouldn't change, whether your in Mexico or the other side of the world. Don't quote me, but that's what I understand.

Regards

[Bit's-n-Bytes]

Sorry Bits, I just re read your post here and it seems to contradict itself in a couple of places. Read it through again. It would seem to me that you are saying a load must be connected to the charging side? Regards

Hi Ren, I may have not correctly worded this, but here's the deal (and I have even proven it to myself) if you do not have a load (battery or other device) to absorb the radiant energy produced by the spikes, that energy has to go somewhere, hence the reason for the neon bulbs. That said, too small of a load can only take so much energy and the rest is seeking ways to get out. I found that components work on smoke, "you let the smoke out" and they don't work no more. Also the point that was made earlier about the spikes slamming a smaller battery on the charge side my not be all that healthy for it. I know you and many others including myself are always pushing the Envelope so really for me, there is no right or wrong answer here. Let the Experimentations continue.

Bit's

PS @Albert, great job!