Bedini 10-coil

[erfinder]

No offense given or taken, I have found different results through my testing. If you wind the coils the same way, you'll have "Transformer" action and run the drive batts down to nothing. Don't know if your familar with the term "Buck" "Boost" or not. Wind the coils opposite and you'll negate most transformer action. End result, energy without killing the drive batts. Cap also helps hide the work (current) from the coil. All I can say is test and unless you can can have exactly the same setup, then our results will be different. So that said, "don't believe the hype, unless theres something to it...!" I certainly will not. I will not design or produce anything that would miss-lead this community for I have nothing to gain if I did.

Jeff

Thank you Jeff for your response....I will look into this, and report my findings.

Regards

[erfinder]

No, the inner coil goes to the FWBR, and the outer coil (5 filar in my case, because I had extra spool) is hooked up normal SG fashion. What happens when the coil is pulsed (normal SG operation) the magnetic lines of flux, rise and fall across the inner coil produce AC voltage. In my case, 35v to 56V. The rotor is driven by the normal SG action. Now if you collect this voltage obtained from the inner coil to a sizable cap, you have nice usable voltage. I can matain about 11v - 12v, 1 amp without any noticable drag on the wheel. Multiply this by 9 (coils) and you have some serious usable energy.

Jeff

This is interesting...its similar to what I have noted in my tests (albeit I'm not presently using your recommended coil config...

I have watched your videos and am aware of your philosophy regarding combining different aspects of this tech in order to get a self sustaining system.......I have successfully routed harvested power back to the front end, charging the run battery while drawing from it and have also disconnected the run battery completely running the device on the recovered power.....its not self sustaining, the storage medium runs down eventually (duh...)....my curiosity is satisfied in regard to my experiment, I know now that one can send harvested power back to the input, the proper method for doing this is all that is missing.....

I'm curious....have you routed this 11-12v 1amp back to the input, disconnecting the source when you do so?

Regards

[Mark]

Thats what I'd like to see, all that collected power going back into the input. You would think if 10 coils were wound this way it would be more than enough to keep the primary charged.

When pulling power off the inner coil does it reduce the spike or power going to the secondary? My experience has told me yes that is does but I have not tried it with a inner coil wound the opposite direction.

I read numerous times that batteries dont like to be charged and discharged at the same time. It may be best to have that inner wound coil power charging another battery and then to swap the primary and that battery back and forth so you always have a charged primary. Then everything on the back end is "free". Or is that just wishful thinking.

Keep winding bits, I'd give you a hand if you were close by. And please keep us posted as to how things are progressing

Mark

[Bit's-n-Bytes]

Thats what I'd like to see, all that collected power going back into the input. You would think if 10 coils were wound this way it would be more than enough to keep the primary charged.

When pulling power off the inner coil does it reduce the spike or power going to the secondary? My experience has told me yes that is does but I have not tried it with a inner coil wound the opposite direction.

I read numerous times that batteries dont like to be charged and discharged at the same time. It may be best to have that inner wound coil power charging another battery and then to swap the primary and that battery back and forth so you always have a charged primary. Then everything on the back end is "free". Or is that just wishful thinking.

Keep winding bits, I'd give you a hand if you were close by. And please keep us posted as to how things are progressing

Mark

Thanks Mark, Yes indeed I have now routed the output energy back into the input. I am doing this by way of my battery swapper. The swapper targets the lowest battery of the four feeding the drive side and isolates it. It then engages a relay that parallels this battery with the output batterys. The output then charges this battery after which it is then placed back into the drive system.

Jeff

[Mark]

Hey Bits

I think I've seen your latest video that shows your battery swapper and your muliple device set up, sweet by the way. But I'm talking about just using the output from the inner opposite wound coils to keep your primaries charged and not using any of the 10 coiler output. I realise you have a better understanding of your set up than I do but do you believe that it may be possible to use this new opposite wound inner coil to keep the input batteries charged up while still using the 10 coiler output to charge a seperate bank of betteries. That's basically what your doing now but this would be a simpler setup.

[Bit's-n-Bytes]

Hey Bits

I think I've seen your latest video that shows your battery swapper and your muliple device set up, sweet by the way. But I'm talking about just using the output from the inner opposite wound coils to keep your primaries charged and not using any of the 10 coiler output. I realise you have a better understanding of your set up than I do but do you believe that it may be possible to use this new opposite wound inner coil to keep the input batteries charged up while still using the 10 coiler output to charge a seperate bank of betteries. That's basically what your doing now but this would be a simpler setup.

Mark, in this scenario, you can pipe the output from the inner coil to the drive rail, ONLY if you "Pulse" it. A continuos current draw on the inner coil, will create drag during the "Off" pulse time of the SG.

Hope this helps.

Jeff

[erfinder]

Mark, in this scenario, you can pipe the output from the inner coil to the drive rail, ONLY if you "Pulse" it. A continuos current draw on the inner coil, will create drag during the "Off" pulse time of the SG.

Hope this helps.

Jeff

Indirectly you answer me...you do realize the solution, you yourself mentioned it....anyway...I find it most intriguing that you aren't as far ahead of me as I once thought you were....time permitting, I will look into your suggested coil config....I say time permitting, cause now you indicate that when a direct load is applied to the coil, you load the wheel ....this never happens in my setup... I will look into it though and report my findings........

Happy experimenting...

Regards

[Mark]

Hi Erfinder

I'm interested in your setup. A little info would be great. How are you feeding your output back to the input? I've disassembled most of my bigger sg's except for a small 3 pole and am mostly using the ssg's but, I would like to hear more about your set up.

Mark

ps Does anybody have any experience using Bedini's solid state radiant energy pump US Patent 2003/0117111 A1. It uses (4) IRF 260 FETs. Or is this the solar amp charger?

[erfinder]

Hi Erfinder

I'm interested in your setup. A little info would be great. How are you feeding your output back to the input? I've disassembled most of my bigger sg's except for a small 3 pole and am mostly using the ssg's but, I would like to hear more about your set up.

Mark

ps Does anybody have any experience using Bedini's solid state radiant energy pump US Patent 2003/0117111 A1. It uses (4) IRF 260 FETs. Or is this the solar amp charger?

Whats up Mark,

Try this...

Setup a standard rotor based SG circuit. The following must be done exactly as stated...

1. Connect your scope up to the circuit in the usual manner. Fire the circuit up and ensure that everything is in order, monitor the wave form...

When you find that all is in working order, and the wave form looks good, replace the secondary battery with a capacitor, I recommend 250v 1000uF....its what I use....

2. In the standard SG config the secondary battery (now a capacitor) has its negative terminal connected to the positive of the source, you must connect this terminal to the source ground....when you do this the cap will instantly fill to the voltage of the source, but other than that there are no other surprises..

3. Start the circuit and let it charge up the cap, depending on your source voltage this will be accomplished in less than a second.....I'm assuming you are using the MJL21194, don't let the cap charge up too much, or you will loose the chip...safe bet...charge to between 150-200v then shut the circuit off. Disconnect the circuit completely from the source.

4. With the source disconnected, spin up the rotor, and while its spinning, connect the positive of the cap to the positive (input of your circuit) of the power rail, watch the scope come to life, watch how long it lasts, I maxed out at 5 seconds...I was able to increase this time by increasing the capacity, play around and see what you come up with....


Personally, I don't like that we must charge a cap, and then disconnect from the source and connect with the cap....Bedini himself provided the solution, but it is occulted in a different circuit....Bedini demonstrated that the window motor can charge a cap and run off that cap....no one doubts the truth of that, everyone saw it in the video, this has even been replicated by one Dadhav, heres the video he posted...YouTube - Window Motor Running On Capacitors...I hear people saying you can't draw from the storage medium while you are charging it...did I miss something? or is that whats being demonstrated.....If you can draw from the cap you are charging in the window circuit then we should be able to do the same in the SG circuit right? LOL....

The ENERGIZER...you gotta love em for naming his circuit that....and at the same time you're asking yourself.....energizing what, and on what scale.....

in conclusion....Energize!

Regards


Regards

[Hammad]

Engineer

Hello & Hi. Very long time, no see.

I am the "hated by all" electrical engineer. I haven't been reading the posts for a long time. I left at the time when "bit and bites" & "Plasma" bought their big Bedini energizer kit, and they were doing research on it, and one them even got cop=1 (which is quite excellent, unbelievably amazing). so after this much long time, has any of u two or any of the fellow in this form achieved cop>1?

plz save my time. Just say "yes", if that happened or say "no", if cop>1 was not achieved. I don't demand much.

regards

[deanEdinburgh]

Hey Bits

I think I've seen your latest video that shows your battery swapper and your muliple device set up, sweet by the way. But I'm talking about just using the output from the inner opposite wound coils to keep your primaries charged and not using any of the 10 coiler output. I realise you have a better understanding of your set up than I do but do you believe that it may be possible to use this new opposite wound inner coil to keep the input batteries charged up while still using the 10 coiler output to charge a seperate bank of betteries. That's basically what your doing now but this would be a simpler setup.

I've also seen Bits setup on youtube and it is very ingenious. Way beyond what I could build to be honest! I think I could just about follow instructions and get a 10 coiler together ... :-)

I also just checked back with the Truth in Heart website and found that they have an add-on purchase that apparently enables the backcharge of the primaries. I quote;

"We now offer an additional attachment that will attach to this 10 coiler that will function like the early Bedini Energizer system replicated by Jim Watson. It will consist of a rotor with magnets, and energizer coils with frame assembly. It will allow for back charging the primary battery bank or powering additional loads isolated from the 10 coiler (see below). "

The upgrade costs another 2500, which I feel is reasonable if this can mean keeping the primary going. Plus the 4200 for the original system would still mean a good deal if you could run your house off the grid.

However, the website then adds enigmatically; "The 10 coiler can be run with some of the motor coils replaced with one wire energizer coils for the same purposes." So this would mean the original spec 10 coiler can feed it's own source and give an output? All that's needed is to replace the motor coils with some energizer coils?

So either way; either the upgrade or the energizer coils, it seems there is way to feed the main battery source and still have output to spare ...

The good folks over at Truth in Heart are having a conference this November, unfortunatly it's too far for me to attend, I wonder if they will address this question at the meet ...

[Mark]

Unfortunately the output of the 10 coiler is probably not near enough to power the average house, although I have not read any specs on the output so I could be wrong. I too wish I could attend the conference but just got back from a week long vacation. Hopefully there will be some good reports from those who attend!

[albertMunich]

there has not been a lot of activity in this thread lately...I'd like to know where you 10 coiler builders are at the moment? Perhaps you could update us a bit here...
Jeff/Bits system seems to be the most complex I have seen around a basic Bedini circuit. I can only say I have the greatest respect for your efforts!
The idea of an inner coil inside the Bedini drive coils is very clever.
The basic approach of keeping the batteries small for the test is very good, too. Everyone seems to put these big batts on the ten coiler, only to get shorts or burnt out parts. If you connect a huge battery bank and the machine is not perfectly adjusted you run into all sorts of problems immediately. The idea here is to have a PROOF OF CONCEPT not a plug in machine that will heat your house.If the thing is overunity even by a few milliamps it proves the principle and THEN you can expand on it.So far no one to my knowledge has ever shown any firm proof that the Bedini circuit can run as a self looped self sustaining system for any longer period of time.

Bits, Will you make your Battery switcher circuitry available in the future? The cap pulser also looks interesting. Could be a boon to all of us here who still get up at four AM to manually switch batteries...

What I'd really like to know is

1. For how long has the machine been running without any visible degradation in the drive batteries? Is it self-sustaining?
2. How much EXCESS energy is produced?

I hope we will hear more from you in the future. For the moment I wish I could be at the Bedini conference. I wish you a full house and all the best!
Albert

[Bit's-n-Bytes]

there has not been a lot of activity in this thread lately...I'd like to know where you 10 coiler builders are at the moment? Perhaps you could update us a bit here...
Jeff/Bits system seems to be the most complex I have seen around a basic Bedini circuit. I can only say I have the greatest respect for your efforts!
The idea of an inner coil inside the Bedini drive coils is very clever.
The basic approach of keeping the batteries small for the test is very good, too. Everyone seems to put these big batts on the ten coiler, only to get shorts or burnt out parts. If you connect a huge battery bank and the machine is not perfectly adjusted you run into all sorts of problems immediately. The idea here is to have a PROOF OF CONCEPT not a plug in machine that will heat your house.If the thing is overunity even by a few milliamps it proves the principle and THEN you can expand on it.So far no one to my knowledge has ever shown any firm proof that the Bedini circuit can run as a self looped self sustaining system for any longer period of time.

Bits, Will you make your Battery switcher circuitry available in the future? The cap pulser also looks interesting. Could be a boon to all of us here who still get up at four AM to manually switch batteries...

What I'd really like to know is

1. For how long has the machine been running without any visible degradation in the drive batteries? Is it self-sustaining?
2. How much EXCESS energy is produced?

I hope we will hear more from you in the future. For the moment I wish I could be at the Bedini conference. I wish you a full house and all the best!
Albert

Thank you Albert. The battery swapper will be displayed at the conference and should have it productized soon. Vissie, John Koorn, and myself are working on the "Pulsinator III" over in the Tesla Thread. We are seeing great results with this concept in that it draws 50ma and produces 2.5 amps to the coils to drive the 10 coiler. With the battery swapper hooked to the 10 coiler, I am able to run continuios.

Thanks

Jeff

[John_K]

Thanks Jeff,

Yes everyone, "watch this space" on the Tesla Switch thread. Things are going to get very exciting soon. Thanks also to Vissie for his ideas.


John K.