Bedini 10-coil

[aussieaussieaussie]

@Redisnoc,

This is the forum to get the answers I am seeking from certain individuals.

I have been asking very respectfully for some very simple answers.

I just don't understand why this is faith based technology?

I want to know why we are not allowed to know?

Over the past week I have been posting, it is also clear amongst some of the senior members that my questions have never been answered and they would also like an answer.

I think what bits has built is awesome, I just don't like his ego, everyone here seems to have a problem saying the words 'I don't know' and 'I haven't tested that yet'. But there is a lot of 'mystery' making and innuendo....

All this accomplishes is scaring away the master electronic experts, and keeps the people who do not even have the required skills to build the devices.

Ozy

[Bit's-n-Bytes]

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All this accomplishes is scaring away the master electronic experts, and keeps the people who do not even have the required skills to build the devices.

Ozy[/QUOTE]

Ozy, are you implying that you are a "master electronics" expert? So far I have seen nothing from you, and in my attempt to be totally honest and help you, as I have help many others, you want to call me a God Damn yank, and that I have a big ego???? Wow, you have succeded to truly bring out your true colors. Maybe your an implant from the dark side, but I will never know. You ask me to do more vid's, I will when you produce yours. I think you need to learn a little respect, don't ya think.

[aussieaussieaussie]

Bits,

I have never stated that I am a master in electronics. I do work for a living as a marine electronics engineer, so I do a thing or two.

I am not claiming I have a better device, or have ever achieved 'OU'. So me posting a video is pointless. Unless you want to see videos of Antarctica.

As for respect, well you had mine - until you started giving me lectures instead of giving me the simple answers I seek. I do not wish to have a fight with you, I came here for your advice.

You ARE scaring away the master electrical experts, I got a few big wigs excited about these devices that were shown at the conference. But after they have read your replies to my answers they have laughed at me and walked away. Another scam they say...


My first question was very very simple.....

I was interested in replicating one of these big devices for further study, as information is very scarce, I was wondering if any of the fine gentlemen on this thread might like to recommend which one would be the easiest to build and have the largest output.

I know mine will be different, thats called stating the obvious, I wanted to know what outputs people have got so far and what they think the potential is.

I know your not a retard bits, I know you even could give me a simple answer, the fact that you don't is why I am concerned.

NOTE: The question was for anyone not just bits, just remember if you do recommend a device - you have to say its output!

Ozy

Is it opposite day? Bedini giving honest clear answers (in other thread), and replicators been aloof and egotistical... So far I am starting to like Bedini more and the open source replicators less.

[Bit's-n-Bytes]

Is it opposite day? Bedini giving honest clear answers (in other thread), and replicators been aloof and egotistical... So far I am starting to like Bedini more and the open source replicators less.

What do you mean?

Answer me this simple question, how much capacity will 2 banks of battery's configured so that you have 2 battery's in each bank, configured in series, so that each bank has 24v? Each bank will have 2 batts at 250Ah each. Your load is a grid tie inverter that will consume 500ah in a 5hr period. What is your output? Kwh?

[aussieaussieaussie]

Prof Ozy now answering all your questions... what the?

Answer me this simple question,
Ok, but I wasn't actually here to offer advice - self stated NOT AN EXPERT lol...

how much capacity will 2 banks of battery's configured so that you have 2 battery's in each bank, configured in series, so that each bank has 24v? Each bank will have 2 batts at 250Ah each.
Ok, I am sure other people have said it before to you but each bank is worth 250 AH @24V so total capacity of 500AH @ 24V- yep nice little batt bank please go on...

Your load is a grid tie inverter that will consume 500ah in a 5hr period.
Ah, you speak of what the inverter consumes, but not of what it is producing, so therefore I cant really answer your next question below...

What is your output? Kwh


But I guess the big question is why go to all that trouble making it difficult? Please state the size of your battery banks - this info is very important to replicate. But if your question is regarding the output, the size of the batteries is irrelevant and is not required to measure the output. All you do is measure the actual real normal electricity coming out of an inverter, put a $20 green watt meter on there for god sakes and save as all the ***** fight... eh?
Ozy

[Bit's-n-Bytes]

Answer me this simple question,
Ok, but I wasn't actually here to offer advice - self stated NOT AN EXPERT lol...

how much capacity will 2 banks of battery's configured so that you have 2 battery's in each bank, configured in series, so that each bank has 24v? Each bank will have 2 batts at 250Ah each.
Ok, I am sure other people have said it before to you but each bank is worth 250 AH @24V so total capacity of 500AH @ 24V- yep nice little batt bank please go on...

Your load is a grid tie inverter that will consume 500ah in a 5hr period.
Ah, you speak of what the inverter consumes, but not of what it is producing, so therefore I cant really answer your next question below...

Come on, your such a smart guy. You got the first part right so finish the equation.

What is your output? Kwh


But I guess the big question is why go to all that trouble making it difficult? Please state the size of your battery banks - this info is very important to replicate. But if your question is regarding the output, the size of the batteries is irrelevant and is not required to measure the output. All you do is measure the actual real normal electricity coming out of an inverter, put a $20 green watt meter on there for god sakes and save as all the ***** fight... eh?
Ozy

Come on, your such a smart guy. You got the first part right so finish the equation.

[aussieaussieaussie]

I cant answer the last part because there is missing data, you want me to make assumptions and thats the whole thing I want to avoid here.
All we have here is assumptions!

Look, I think your build is beautiful - I think you put a lot of time and effort into it and if I had ignored my scam instinct months ago your build would be exactly what I would have done. Micro-processor controlled switching of batterys was the next obvious step for all. $1200 I think you should of open sourced - but it will come soon... anyhoo I digress...

Lets stop the tit for tat, I never came here to offend just for answers on which direction to proceed in my replications...

But, honestly, you spend all that time building that device and you didn't think to put a watt meter on the output of the inverter and then tune your machine to run perpetually with the largest load been pulled by the inverter????
This test can be done in 1 hour with $20 piece of equipment?

Of course we have to also believe YOU that the machine will run perpetually in this configuration. This faith I believe will slowly be dwindling as you keep attacking people like me who just want some simple b l o o d y answers!

Ozy

[Bit's-n-Bytes]

I cant answer the last part because there is missing data, you want me to make assumptions and thats the whole thing I want to avoid here.
All we have here is assumptions!

Look, I think your build is beautiful - I think you put a lot of time and effort into it and if I had ignored my scam instinct months ago your build would be exactly what I would have done. Micro-processor controlled switching of batterys was the next obvious step for all. $1200 I think you should of open sourced - but it will come soon... anyhoo I digress...

Lets stop the tit for tat, I never came here to offend just for answers on which direction to proceed in my replications...

But, honestly, you spend all that time building that device and you didn't think to put a watt meter on the output of the inverter and then tune your machine to run perpetually with the largest load been pulled by the inverter????
This test can be done in 1 hour with $20 piece of equipment?

Of course we have to also believe YOU that the machine will run perpetually in this configuration. This faith I believe will slowly be dwindling as you keep attacking people like me who just want some simple b l o o d y answers!

Ozy

Ozy, I am trying to give you Bloody answers, but you ain't listening. You are not able to even solve the simplest equation. Let me tell you again, with no lecture, if you are able to solve the equation, which is the grid tie will drain the first battery bank in 5 hrs, and the second bank in 5hrs, the 10 coiler will charge up the first bank in 2 - 5 hrs. This leaves a cushion of 4 hrs in a 24 hr period that the ten coiler will take to charge up both banks. You will be able to sustain a 24/7 load to your grid tie. What it produces on the back end, is not relevant in that whatever it produces is a total gain. Remember the 10 coiler is producing it's own drive, and charging itself. If your looking for name plated output, I cannot help you.

[aussieaussieaussie]

The answer lies within....

@BITS

Ozy, I am trying to give you Bloody answers, but you ain't listening.
I am listening, by the amount I have posted, and by me trying to solve the riddles I would say yep we are engaged in conversation and I AM LISTENING!

You are not able to even solve the simplest equation.
I solved the part of the question that was answerable. Remember I don't have a machine. I am the person trying to replicate your results.

Let me tell you again, with no lecture, if you are able to solve the equation, which is


the grid tie will drain the first battery bank in 5 hrs,
Cool no problem here.. except you need to state how many watts the inverter is pushing into your house. Don't worry about the inefficiency of the inverter - we will factor that in for ourselves. But without the amount of watts this equation is unsolvable...

and the second bank in 5hrs,
Well this was obvious... wasn't it?

the 10 coiler will charge up the first bank in 2 - 5 hrs.
Awesome. So your machine is tuned to charge up a bank of batteries faster then they are drained by the load through the inverter and the machine itself is always keeping the primaries charged perpetually.
Well done what an amazing achievement!

This leaves a cushion of 4 hrs in a 24 hr period that the ten coiler will take to charge up both banks.

If you are trying to talk about switching batteries with rest etc. All good I know you probably want 3-4 banks been cycled.

You will be able to sustain a 24/7 load to your grid tie.
There we go! So all we need is that watt meter on the inverter and we know what we are dealing with. Truly amazing work!

What it produces on the back end, is not relevant in that whatever it produces is a total gain. Remember the 10 coiler is producing it's own drive, and charging itself.
I think I might just ignore this one... because I don't really care about the primary battery banks.
In a well tuned system any energy going into them is energy used to make the whole 'perpetually running machine thingy'. The output is found on the charging side of batteries.
OUTPUT minus INPUT = TOTAL GAIN when we talk of 'OU' devices


If your looking for name plated output, I cannot help you.
Sweet Honesty! So you don't know what the machine is capable of with a bigger set of batteries and a few more modifications... no worries
How about YOUR machine and YOUR current setup, very simple to test


Once again I can't solve your equation because I am missing some pretty important data points.
Please supply this essential measurement of your system and we can talk about YOUR machines output, once we know that we can use this as a base to speculate further about the POTENTIAL output of this machine in all its many glorious configurations.

I await your post in one hour after test or two hours if you have to go buy the watt meter.

Ozy

[aussieaussieaussie]

@Bits

So watt did the watt meter say?

Ozy

[Bit's-n-Bytes]

@Bits

So watt did the watt meter say?

Ozy

Ozy, why are you always here with your hands out asking for my test results. I think Ash said it best that there are no silver spoons. How about, you go ahead and invest in a 10 coiler and replicate my setup (yes, I will help you) and you can see for yourself. I don't have anything to hide, but you would not believe my figures, even if I told ya. I am taking the high road with ya Ozy. I will not give in to the continued bashing. By the way, your friend MileHigh on the other forum (OUR) is quoting you profusely. Maybe you should check out this group to make sure they are not speaking on your behalf. If you are in line with them, well....

Cheers

[aussieaussieaussie]

@bits

And the drama queen continues....

Not asking for silver spoon, but hey if you claim a self runner with excess output, you could at least give us a measurement.

I wouldn't believe you! What a load of bollacks! I have said over and over I just want some preliminary measurements to give me the added confidence to purchase one of these kits. If I didn't believe you I would of left this forum a long time ago.

Your taking the 'high road'??? The high road would of been a simple answer to the output question not this never ending drama.
I realize my posts are now prob spawning a lot of naysayers, but that was never my intention - and this is because of YOUR replies - if you had acted like a normal person and said sure ozy the watt meter says this... good luck with your build. My posts would of spawned a flood of builds not a flood of people screaming scam.. Get it?

Your attitude and responses are what one would expect from someone running a scam not someone who is out there replicating OU devices to help humanity?


So I will try again,

Is there anyone out there who has built a 10 coiler, has it self running, and is producing excess juice?
If so, could you please tell us how much output you get using the method listed in above posts. This info will be used to make a decision of whether to purchase a 10,12,20 or 30 coil kit.

Thanks,

Ozy


PS. I will check out the other forum, but I won't keep defending you guys if you keep giving me the old run around for too much longer.
I am a Buddhist, so I have patience but I aint Jesus.

[Aaron]

please start a new thread

Ozy,

Please refrain from name calling. These guys are straight shooters
and deserve some respect. Bits spelled out the whole Tesla Switch
concept in the associated thread including all the programming, etc...
That may not be related to what you're interested in but it goes to
show how much he has already gone out of his way to help others out.

Personally, I don't think he owes anything to anyone as the contribution
he has ALREADY made is priceless. He is openly willing to assist you
even after the insults to all us "yanks", etc... I think that speaks very
highly of the kind of person he is.

Please start a new thread on your concerns so this thread doesn't
get sidetracked with a lot of debate that is specific to one project.
Of course he doesn't have an obligation to carry on in the new thread
but please move it to its own dedicated please. It would be greatly
appreciated.

Thanks!

[aussieaussieaussie]

Round and Round we go...

I checked out the other forum at OUR and read MileHighs Posts.

He doesn't quote me once. In fact nothing of what I say is contained in that thread. All the info there is from you! It's your statements been analyzed and MileHighs comments and questions regarding those statements.

When will you realize I am not attacking you, I want to help, but your inability to answer the most basic electrical question raises serious concerns for me and others investing a lot of $$$ into this. If someone else was claiming the same thing as you, I wouldn't be as concerned - but you are the only one!

Don't listen to Milehigh with lightbulbs and such - this just screams scam because how do I know how brightly they were lit?

Please tell me what is your objection to putting a watt meter on the inverter?
Give me an honest answer why you are against taking this measurement and I will leave it be. MIB, NDA whatever.
But if you don't have a good reason then do the bloody test.

I realize you are not prepared to do it MileHighs way, that would take a lot of time and effort. But how can you disagree with a $20 watt meter on the inverter?

Before I got into electronics my first degree was in Biology. The day that OU researchers take the time to understand what the scientific method is and why it is such a great system we will have this technology worldwide.

You design, You Build, You test, You test, You test, You publish EVERYTHING, You help other replicate your results.
If no one can replicate your results YOU HAVE FAILED! Simple!

Ozy

[lanenal]

the bloody answer

@bits

And the drama queen continues....

Not asking for silver spoon, but hey if you claim a self runner with excess output, you could at least give us a measurement.

Thanks,

Ozy

Ozy, I think bits put the line (the boundary of system, if you will) at the inputs to the inverter, but you put the line at the outputs of the inverter. So you didn't get the bloody answer at your definition but bits already given the bloody answer at his definition.

Since the inverter is not 100% efficient, and we don't know how efficient it is, so I can't convert one bloody answer to the other as well.

But I do think bits already claimed something without any possible confusion by his statements. In that sense, he already provided the information you need if we don't be too critical and demanding.

lanenal