Bedini 10-coil

[aussieaussieaussie]

Oh Dear...

Thank you Aaron for your interjection,
I guess I got a little frustrated with the whole answer my questions before I answer yours and you don't deserve an answer thing - I apologize... my bad.

@lanenal
The 'line' or the place the measurement was taken was after the inverter. 0.5 Amps per video.
Please check Bits video before posting bloody inaccurate dribble.
I have said clearly that I would love to know the model etc of the inverter, but I am really not that fussed. I am not after a definitive output answer because I know there are too many variables for that, just after an approximation.

The truth be said, I just came here for some clarification on all the amazing claims surrounding the conference that I could not attend because of geography.

I have read all Bits posts and watched all his videos and really liked his setup. Since the last video showing output at 60watts was a few months ago I wanted to know if he had done any further testing and if so had he got any improvements.

Simple question I thought... but how I was so wrong.

Also, a question which is very thread related,
The lawn mower that Rick drove at the conference - is it possible to get any more info about this build and it's capabilities?

Ozy

[lanenal]

@lanenal
The 'line' or the place the measurement was taken was after the inverter. 0.5 Amps per video.
Please check Bits video before posting bloody inaccurate dribble.
I have said clearly that I would love to know the model etc of the inverter, but I am really not that fussed. I am not after a definitive output answer because I know there are too many variables for that, just after an approximation.

Ozy, I am not aware of the whole background of your question, and I don't think I can possibley realize this background simply through reading the posts.

Maybe bits should come out and make it clear where he put his line.

I agree with you that concerns on INPUT and OUTPUT is the most basic information before anybody could tell if it is an OU device.

lanenal

[aussieaussieaussie]

@Lanenal,

Where the measurement was taken (after the inverter), is clearly shown on the video - check it out on Bit's Channel - Machineoftime1

No need to bother the man with that question, also there is no INPUT measurement in a self runner. The only measurement is the output! Sterling wrote 60watts output in his article. I thought Bits said it was a bit more then that.

Wouldn't you agree Bits?

ozy

[Mark]

Bits posted the output varies between .5 and 1.2 amps so 60 to 144 watts. The unit is able to sense the available power and adjust accordingly. I always try to error to the low side so I personally would just go with the 60 watt figure. Then you wont be disappointed if your actually able to replicate his set up. I would totally disregard the statement of a $40.00 savings on an electrical bill because there is no way to accurately show this. Go with 60 watts and hope that you can build a system that has 10-20 times more output if your planing on having an off grid set up.

[Bit's-n-Bytes]

Ozy, I am not aware of the whole background of your question, and I don't think I can possibley realize this background simply through reading the posts.

Maybe bits should come out and make it clear where he put his line.

I agree with you that concerns on INPUT and OUTPUT is the most basic information before anybody could tell if it is an OU device.

lanenal

Oh good God, Ozy, here is the information you want, the grid tie inverter puts out 210W of continuos power @ 120 V with a 24 volt input. This device scales up and down accordingly based on the input voltage level. This means the output can swing between .5 and 1.2 amps. Didn't I say this before. DONT WRAP YOUR HEAD AROUND A MATH PROBLEM HERE or you'll miss out. This is my device, yours will be different. If you continue to focus only on the Grid Tie's output, you'll miss the excess energy that I take from the radiant output of the 10 coiler and pipe that back into the battery swapper to recharge the drive batterys of the 10 coilers input. You'll also miss out on the kenetic energy the wheel is developing (how ever this has not been tapped in my setup) The input of the 10 coiler draws any where from 2 to 3.5 amps @ 24V in the sweet spot. Once again DONT WRAP YOUR HEAD AROUND A MATH PROBLEM HERE, each 10 coiler is different, you may get adequate charging at 1 amp. You may also run the input at 36V which then changes these parameters totally. Now go procure a 10 coiler and begin to test. Don't lose site that I have not even begun to stack more batts on the output (which will change the output figures drastically). Here is the most important point that you need to WRAP YOUR HEAD AROUND, "Radiant Spikes" on the output can often times exceed 1000V, but lets use the 1000V as a figure. All Batts on the output "Feel" this delta no matter what configuration, however, the closer you get to this 1000V mark, your "delta" gets smaller, less charging effect. I know that you probably just missed this point so I am going to repeat it. If my batts are configured for 24V on the output, then the batts "Feel" a radiant spike of 1000 - 24 = 976V. However if these batts are configured for 48V, then 1000V - 48 = 952V. I am only using these numbers for illustrative purposes. Yor machine will be different in the way that you have "Tuned" it. Didn't I say this before? This is the reason why you think that I am giving you the run around, I am not. Here is what is going to happen, you and many others will take these numbers that I have just given to you albeit for ILLUSTRATIVE ONLY purposes, and you are going to shout to the world these are the outputs of the 10 coiler and my setup. If you do, I reserve the right to put this post before the same and say "I told you so". LISTEN to what I am telling you, the key is a properly tuned machine, to attain the largest "Radiant Spikes" on the output, with the least draw on the input. With the abilty to also use my battery swapper in this scenario and capture the radiant sikes into my cap pulser, I am able to run the machine self sustained. Going forward, I am attempting to run this machine with no batts. Should I get this working (and I will) what will be the claim then?? This will be the last I say on this to you. Heed the advice of Aaron and take this to the 10 coiler thread. Stop the bashing Ozy, you are wearing out your welcome.

Jeff

[Matthew Jones]

Doesn't get any clearer than that!!


Matt

[aussieaussieaussie]

Happy Happy Joy Joy!!!

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!
Let me explain my gratitude.

grid tie inverter puts out 210W of continuos power @ 120 V with a 24 volt input.
Awesome! Did I say this before, worth mentioning again, Awesome! so this is 210 watts or 120VAC @ 1.75 Amps of usable energy coming from a perpetually charging system.

This device scales up and down accordingly based on the input voltage level.
Ok... got a model number per chance? or recommended a model? Does it matter?

This means the output can swing between .5 and 1.2 amps.
Umm, umm, (Scratch head) umm,
So you mean an average of about 110watts? Surely just a typo... I hope!

This is my device, yours will be different.
Ok your starting to lecture here again, but I understand you want to put a disclaimer here for idiots - no problem. FYI I have always known mine will be different.

If you continue to focus only on the Grid Tie's output, you'll miss the excess energy that I take from the radiant output of the 10 coiler and pipe that back into the battery swapper to recharge the drive batterys of the 10 coilers input.
I am not missing it, I am totally disregarding it! - I find the process amazing but it is not relevant to the question at hand. In a perpetually running device, the energy used to maintain the devices continous running is most certainly not EXCESS energy.

You'll also miss out on the kenetic energy the wheel is developing (how ever this has not been tapped in my setup) The input of the 10 coiler draws any where from 2 to 3.5 amps @ 24V in the sweet spot. Once again DONT WRAP YOUR HEAD AROUND A MATH PROBLEM HERE, each 10 coiler is different, you may get adequate charging at 1 amp. You may also run the input at 36V which then changes these parameters totally.
Once again your figures of Input are irrelevant to my question, since the question is regarding the output of a perpetually running machine and by definition has no input. Maybe you should post those details in the 10 coil thread.

Now go procure a 10 coiler and begin to test. Don't lose site that I have not even begun to stack more batts on the output (which will change the output figures drastically). Here is the most important point that you need to WRAP YOUR HEAD AROUND, "Radiant Spikes" on the output can often times exceed 1000V, but lets use the 1000V as a figure. All Batts on the output "Feel" this delta no matter what configuration, however, the closer you get to this 1000V mark, your "delta" gets smaller, less charging effect. I know that you probably just missed this point so I am going to repeat it. If my batts are configured for 24V on the output, then the batts "Feel" a radiant spike of 1000 - 24 = 976V. However if these batts are configured for 48V, then 1000V - 48 = 952V. I am only using these numbers for illustrative purposes. Yor machine will be different in the way that you have "Tuned" it. Didn't I say this before?
No you did not, but that does answer one of my big questions!
So as you increase the size of the battery bank the charge time only increases slightly and hence you have more output? I know your numbers were for illustration purposes only but do you think this effect/relationship to output is exponential or closer to directly proportional in nature? Also please define 'delta'....

This is the reason why you think that I am giving you the run around, I am not. Here is what is going to happen, you and many others will take these numbers that I have just given to you albeit for ILLUSTRATIVE ONLY purposes, and you are going to shout to the world these are the outputs of the 10 coiler and my setup.
I for one maintain these are YOUR numbers from YOUR configuration of an educational kit - nobody should dare speculate further until we raise the sample size beyond the current level of... ONE, I can not be held accountable for the actions of others.

If you do, I reserve the right to put this post before the same and say "I told you so". LISTEN to what I am telling you, the key is a properly tuned machine, to attain the largest "Radiant Spikes" on the output, with the least draw on the input. With the abilty to also use my battery swapper in this scenario and capture the radiant sikes into my cap pulser, I am able to run the machine self sustained.
If people are not clear on this just watch Bits videos, it's all in there!

Going forward, I am attempting to run this machine with no batts. Should I get this working (and I will) what will be the claim then??
This will be a utterly amazing achievement and will probably remove a lot of your inefficiencies by removing the batteries. I Hope it works and yes... What will your claim be? What will be your method of evaluation? How will you 'show' your claim?

Stop the bashing Ozy, you are wearing out your welcome.
I am not bashing! I am asking simple questions! Thank you for your answers so far, you have cleared up a few points but there are still some cloudy bits.
Quite frankly I don't really care that much anymore, but you should really clear up that whole 110 vs 210 watt output issue. It will only send Milehigh on another rant. Also, I did do your math sum that you asked of me - so common courtesy would dictate you finish this one for me.

So for those that speed read this, just to clarify!

Bigger battery bank = bigger output
Output is somewhere between 110-210watts (TBA)
NO MONEY BACK GUARANTEE

I feel so much better! I think we are finally getting somewhere. A few days of BS and egos and viola ANSWERS! Thanks for your help so far Bits, I think we might of got a few skeptics listening now.

Sweet As Bro,

Ozy

P.S. Why would I be wearing out my welcome? Why do simple questions irritate people so much, but if you ask a detailed complex questions they will write huge replies...

[Bit's-n-Bytes]

TYPO. 210W max.

[aussieaussieaussie]

So 110 watts average, with peaks of 210 watts, SWEET, how long was the test and did you notice any drop in battery voltage on either battery banks when you finished?

[aussieaussieaussie]

OK, please check out Bedini Conference thread for the start of this discussion.

To bring you upto date:

Bigger batteries are better, more output. How this scales ratio wise is still unknown.
Output of bits ten coil at this time fluctuates between 60-200watts, avg 110watts.
And of course, NO MONEY BACK GUARANTEE

So here is my latest post:

So 110 watts average output, with peaks of 210 watts, SWEET, how long was the test and did you notice any drop in battery voltage on either battery banks when you finished?

Thanks,

Ozy

[Bit's-n-Bytes]

OK, please check out Bedini Conference thread for the start of this discussion.

To bring you upto date:

Bigger batteries are better, more output. How this scales ratio wise is still unknown. True
Output of bits ten coil at this time fluctuates between 60-200watts, avg 110watts.60-200 "True" avg 110 "False" depends on voltage levels
And of course, NO MONEY BACK GUARANTEETrue

So here is my latest post:

So 110 watts average output, with peaks of 210 watts, SWEET, how long was the test and did you notice any drop in battery voltage on either battery banks when you finished?See below

Thanks,

Ozy

Go Test! (No spoon feeding allowed)

[aussieaussieaussie]

Ok! No spoon feeding then, and no more using 20 words to be polite, when 3 will do.

With regards to the 60-200watts of output test:
Did you do the test properly? Or did you just measure it once or twice?
Did you run the test for an adequate amount of time to eliminate WITHOUT A SHADOW OF A DOUBT that the system could do this perpetually?

[redrichie]

Aussie, aussie, aussie...I think you must have A.D.D. something fierce. It is one thing for honest questioning, which only some of your questions seem that way. But seriously, asking the man who is a very well respected individual, and whom a lot of us look up to if he tested his device properly takes some real "huevos". Come on, my friend. REally? did he test properly? Nope Im sure he threw it together in a few days and said...YEP self runner. just for you guys. Go ahead and laugh at my waste of 10g's because I didnt test it properly before I showed it to The inventor!! LOL

Ok! No spoon feeding then, and no more using 20 words to be polite, when 3 will do.

With regards to the 60-200watts of output test:
Did you do the test properly? Or did you just measure it once or twice?
Did you run the test for an adequate amount of time to eliminate WITHOUT A SHADOW OF A DOUBT that the system could do this perpetually?

[aussieaussieaussie]

@RedRichie

Aussie, aussie, aussie...I think you must have A.D.D. something fierce. It is one thing for honest questioning, which only some of your questions seem that way.
I think you have a mental deficiency, but this thread is not about name calling, it's about finding answers to the bedini mysteries.

But seriously, asking the man who is a very well respected individual, and whom a lot of us look up to if he tested his device properly takes some real "huevos".
Why not ask? His inability to tell us the results accurately for over a week of questioning would point any smart individual to the conclusion that the test was never done properly. But instead of assuming this fact, like everyone else, I choose to ask the question! When you stop asking questions - you leave the world of science and enter the world of religion!

Come on, my friend. REally? did he test properly? Nope Im sure he threw it together in a few days and said...YEP self runner. just for you guys. Go ahead and laugh at my waste of 10g's because I didnt test it properly before I showed it to The inventor!! LOL

You laugh but have you seen any data? Your making an awfully big assumption here! I personally believe him - I think it self runs perpetually @ 60-200watts.
But what I believe (or want to believe) is irrelevant, we are looking for facts here. We are trying to tie up all those loose ends that the debunker's use to claim all your running here is a bait & switch scam...

I will continue to push through all this bashing of me, and continue to seek the truth. The world needs free energy - the time for cloudy unreliable claims has to end if this is ever to happen!

Thanks,

Ozy

I look forward to your answers, but I do tire of your deranged dribble...

[aussieaussieaussie]

Also, on another note.

Is there anyone here besides Bits that has built a ten coiler kit?

Surely, out of the 100+ kits sold, someone is finished building and is on this forum???

Would love to hear from you!

Thanks,

Ozy