Bedini 10-coil

[Aaron]

excess energy

In this segment we show an actual lab test model that demonstrates the principles of the Bedini process.The main battery is here (point) and you can see the motor here.The motor is doing work by operating a fan blade and pumping air.Accumulators are located here (point) in which energy from the proprietary Bedini transformer (point) is being cumulatively collected eight times for each revolution.Once per revolution, precise switching (point) discharging of the accumulator transformer into the secondary battery (point) to charge it.In this arrangement, we show proof of principle by continuously doing work (pumping air) while continuously keeping the secondary battery charged.Periodically the batteries are switched and the former primary battery is charged.The excess energy comes directly from the active vacuum, through the negative resistor in the battery created by the Bedini process.In addition, we are demonstrating additional energy being obtained from excess collection in the transformer (point) eight times per rotation, and fed into the battery once per revolution to recharge the secondary battery.Another principle shown by this system is the superpolarity of the magnetic motor (point).The magnets all have north poles pointing outward.The compression and repulsion in the middle of any two poles creates a north pole whose field strength is several times larger than the field strength from each magnet.Thus we have formed eight “phantom poles”, to dramatically increase the field energy density in the magnetic field where the special transformer (point) collects additional energy (from the superpole flux cutting one of the coils, eight times per revolution of the rotor.The energy is collected in a accumulator transformer(point) and once per revolution it charges the secondary battery .The system demonstrates that the vacuum energy can be collected in several places and in different ways, collected in a proprietary accumulator transformer, and then used to very powerfully form a sudden negative resistor in the battery (point). - TB

[WeThePeople]

@ Wethepeople.

I am confused by your remarks regarding the 10 coilers methods of trigger and generator actions. You seem to be saying a few times now that there are only two magnets on the aluminum wheel? And that it is only for light show and triggering?

Let me sum it up for you, I cant prove it because I dont have it here, but I am 99% sure its right. Both wheels will have magnets in them, in all the allotted spaces...

Yeah, I should have added at least a few pics to nindicate what I meant.

I'll go get larger ones, but reference these for now.

The first four show the fully polulated clear plastic wheel
that gets mounted inline with the ten coils (Pic to follow).

The next one shows the aluminum wheel with machined slots
only two machined slots are populated though.

The last pic shows that wheel being attached to the back
to the end of the shaft, with still only two magnets in it.

Back in a moment with better pics,
but looking at the vid was what I had hoped that
everyone would do so we are all on the same page.
(So to speak...)


Watch:
YouTube - OFFICIAL BEDINI 10 COIL KIT INFOMERCIAL

Save MP4:
Download OFFICIAL BEDINI 10 COIL KIT INFOMERCIAL video - savevid.com

Watch the time-lapse stuff at the end.

[WeThePeople]

ok,
1st is the fully populated clear plastic disc
on the machine front's shaft's end,
with only three coils mounted.

2nd is the full ten coils mounted
and clear plastic disc in place.

3rd is the rear view of the machine
with Rick picking up the aluminum disc,
his hand obscures one of the magnets.

4th is the aluminum disc fully mounted,
it clearly shows only two magnets.

Sadly, it fades immediately after that exact frame
to Rick driving away in an electric jeep...

So this vid does not show what those two magnets trigger.

[Mark]

Although the aluminum wheel only shows 2 magnets it doesn't make any sense that it would be used this way. There would be no reason to spend the extra money to have the extra holes cut out and the wheel would be way out of balance with the 2 magnets placed where they are. I think Rick was just trying to save time and didn't install all of the magnets. But I still don't understand why there are 2 rotors and why one is acrylic and one is aluminum. Hopefully when the instructions are sent out there will be an explaination.

Mark

[WeThePeople]

As you know from dropping a round magnet down
inside an aluminum tube, the eddy currents exist,
it will fall slowly even though you consider it non magnetic.

It's the whole Paramagnetic thing.

The plastic wheel is the better choice for the working wheel,
and I agree to the mystery on the balance/usage on the other.



And to answer as to why I am short-sighted on the original wheel,
it is the obvious laminations on the edge,
the additional magnets on the shaft for normal magnetic south,
and the drawing that clearly shows what the whole thing means.

Your not going to get that out of SINGLE 1" Neo's,
I don't care how hard you try to do it.

Those big disc magnets on the shaft pull magnetic south,
the scaler south is what your harvesting for your batteries.

This is all possible because of the north-to-north pairs,
without that this simply cannot happen in my opinion.
(OH boy, here it comes...)

That is why the front end is normal magnetics and circuits,
and the secondary technique is what is so special.

No original wheel design to reference,
no real output expected as far as I'm concerned.

When that scaler south you see initially wrapping around
to the far end of the bi-filer to octa-filer coil gets 22-degrees further,
it is at the other end of the coil where the trigger and collapse occurs.

OK, 22.0-degrees to those that wanna be picky (360/8/2),
but as far as this machine it is of course 18.5-degrees (360/10/2)...

Even John gets that wrong in the dialog of a few videos,
probably figures we wouldn't notice, I know he knows better.

Now get the exact details for John's original wheel,
and pop it on this 80-path beast, I bet smiles would occur.

[Mark]

In this segment we show an actual lab test model that demonstrates the principles of the Bedini process.The main battery is here (point) and you can see the motor here.The motor is doing work by operating a fan blade and pumping air.Accumulators are located here (point) in which energy from the proprietary Bedini transformer (point) is being cumulatively collected eight times for each revolution.Once per revolution, precise switching (point) discharging of the accumulator transformer into the secondary battery (point) to charge it.In this arrangement, we show proof of principle by continuously doing work (pumping air) while continuously keeping the secondary battery charged.Periodically the batteries are switched and the former primary battery is charged.The excess energy comes directly from the active vacuum, through the negative resistor in the battery created by the Bedini process.In addition, we are demonstrating additional energy being obtained from excess collection in the transformer (point) eight times per rotation, and fed into the battery once per revolution to recharge the secondary battery.Another principle shown by this system is the superpolarity of the magnetic motor (point).The magnets all have north poles pointing outward.The compression and repulsion in the middle of any two poles creates a north pole whose field strength is several times larger than the field strength from each magnet.Thus we have formed eight “phantom poles”, to dramatically increase the field energy density in the magnetic field where the special transformer (point) collects additional energy (from the superpole flux cutting one of the coils, eight times per revolution of the rotor.The energy is collected in a accumulator transformer(point) and once per revolution it charges the secondary battery .The system demonstrates that the vacuum energy can be collected in several places and in different ways, collected in a proprietary accumulator transformer, and then used to very powerfully form a sudden negative resistor in the battery (point). - TB

Aaron can you post a link to this video if its available.
Thank-you Mark

[WeThePeople]

Quote:
"The compression and repulsion in the middle of any two poles
creates a north pole whose field strength is several times larger
than the field strength from each magnet."

Kinda says it all doesn't it?

Thanks Aaron, which vid is that from,
sounds like the EFTV one where he talks about the big one
while pointing to the little one and a diagram (See above)?

"...cumulatively collected eight times for each revolution."
"Once per revolution, precise switching (points) discharges
the accumulator transformer into the secondary battery"



I have just written (Again) someone that is awaiting their parts.

With some luck the magnet size/count can be confirmed,
and with additional luck a pick of what that aluminum disc
aligns with and passes by should yield some additional answers.

[ren]

The plastic wheel is the only choice for the working wheel,
and I agree to the mystery on the balance/usage on the other.



.

No this is not the case.

John has used aluminum on a number of his designs. The 3 pole monopole is one of them.

I think we can safely say that the photo shows two magnets in place on the aluminum one because the other ones just havent been inserted yet.

Regards

[WeThePeople]

Yep, your right.

It may not be best, but it will do.

Sorry I worded it that way, thanks.

I changed it from "Only" to "Better".

I was just looking at my zillion JB vids
looking for that passage Aaron quoted.

Gosh I think I'll just take a week straight
and fill a notepad file of JB quotes to reference.

Looking at them all at once might help.

If you have sat through the first 14 EFTV vids,
then you know what you heard on disc one
sure seems quite long ago by disc 14,
and I see there are three more to see now.

Then add several years of lecture and interview vids...

[Aaron]

@wtp

Quote:
"The compression and repulsion in the middle of any two poles
creates a north pole whose field strength is several times larger
than the field strength from each magnet."

Kinda says it all doesn't it?

Thanks Aaron, which vid is that from,
sounds like the EFTV one where he talks about the big one
while pointing to the little one and a diagram (See above)?

Oscillators and the mechanical oscillator (with wheel) are different
machines. This is why I said earlier in this thread that the magnets
are pumps.

Not EFTV.

[stonewater]

eddy currents

they are a tricky thing, if you spin the aluminum and the magnet also no problems, it is when the moving magnet passes stationary objects, like aluminum you get the interference. I have a 6 pole scalar north rotor that is a replication of JB's 6 coiler, works great . the orientation is also a factor

[WeThePeople]

Preface: I spell like crap,
please just let only amuse you, OK?

I'm sure we have all dropped a magnet down
a copper and an aluminum pipe by now,
or at least seen it done on YouTube.

Thank you StoneWater for the spinning tube addition.

But other than that I haven't fiddled much with the idea.

Ren pointed out something that is sticking.

I have passages in vids where on the one hand
John will say metal effects the effect,
and others where says it doesn't.

I am going to drop out for a week or so
and watch all these vids in a row again
consuming mass quantities of coffee
and review all his statements at once.



Ren, here is what you triggered,
and what I did to test that.

Is the aluminum wheel on the back a ruse?
we see the plastic on in place in that vid,
but go to the kit page and it sure looks aluminum.
See attached pic per usual.

http://rpmgt.org/10PoleMonopole.jpg

My point, is the aluminum a factor?

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Before the bookworm types decend to slaughter me,
this is something I just did and the outcome of it.

Does it match current (Pun half intended) theory?

I took a couple of small 1/2" circular (No hole) magnets,
their Neo's, but not 42's, N-35's maybe.

I took two pieces of square aluminum stock
about 14" or 15" long that are 1/2" square.

And a few small host of ferrous objects.

The reluctance when I draw the magnets across
the aluminum feels about equal to me,
but I have no gauss gauge to be sure.

That is in reference to Aarons suggestion of matched pairs.

I'll purchase an appropriate hall effect sensor later.

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When I put the north or south to a rod
(They are square, but rod is easier & shorter),
then I approach the test (ferrous) objects
the test objects (Ferrous) of course don't move.

When I hold the rod near the test objects first,
and move the north or south by,
very very little effect (barely).

But when I place the rod near the test objects first,
and hold the magnet in a pinch like a penny
and then swipe the magnets edge across the rod's other end,
there is slightly notable effect.

I suspect there is nothing new so far.

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A dab of super glue and a pump clamp
combined the magnets two norths for test two.

As I had so little effect with the above,
I chose sewing needle this time.

Same nothing for either south,
no problem noticing edge swipes.

Very unexpededly stronger results in fact.

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Ren, this is the idea that came to mind,
the above was draconian testing for myself.

It occurred to me that the aluminum being basicly
non-ferrous (paramagnetic) might actually assist those
magnets in John's real original 6-KW (His words) wheel.

They might work in unison with those center shaft magnets.



I took the second aluminum rod along with the first
and I place the side of each rod on to both souths.

To help people to visualize this. lay one square rod
(Probably an oxymoron...) on the table first.

lay one south down on the side of the rod at It's end.

Now lay the second rod in alignment in top of the first.

At one end the rods touch each other,
at the other end they sandwich the magnet pair.

I chose a heavy mailers rubber band to hold the set
tightly together so I could handle it easily.

Having involved the magnets now,
so I didn't have them to move across the ends.

I chose a phillips screwdriver within reach.

I held the ends of the rods that touched near the needle
and passed the screwdriver past the other magnet pair end,
I pointed it straight at the rod so as to lineup.

I moved the screwdriver past the magnet pair,
like the welding rods move past the magnets.
(I know it is magnets past coil core...)

I'm still looking for that needle, and a steel BB too.

I sure hate not having a camera at the moment,
would have saved everyone this long soliloquy.
(OK, I looked up the spelling of that one...)



First, why didn't it attract, but repel voilently ?

Second, why did they launch with such force?



I envision aluminum spokes that start at the center,
and just before each pair of N><N magnets are reached,
turn into a forked "Y" encasing the souths completely.

Put the the norths of some ring magnets on the axle
pointing inwards to attract those souths down the aluminum,

then use the scaler souths that are not trapped in that cycle.



John is an amazingly smart man,
that isn't stricken by false education.

If john put magnets north to north,
and additional magnets on the shaft.

You can sure bet he had good reason
for doing that in the first place.



OK, how far have I wandered from plausible,
and why did the aluminum do that?

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For the love of pizza don't quote this whole thing,
it is such a waste having to scroll past stuff
a 2nd, 3rd, 4th, infinite number of times.

Trim it down until only the stuff
you want to comment on is left,
Thanks.
(Some, like me, already do this.)

[WeThePeople]

Stiall awaiting the email reply from one of the purchasers,
however here is another twist.

An aluminum version with 20 magnets...sigh...

YouTube - TheShirkinator's Channel

[ren]

?

?

There was always 20 magnets on the aluminum wheel....


Im not sure what you are trying to say.....

[Aaron]

video

Aaron can you post a link to this video if its available.
Thank-you Mark

I might be the only one that was given a copy - perhaps a few others but
I can't give it out. I posted the text because that excerpt was posted
at one point.