Bedini 10-coil

[Mark]

Hello Plazma

I have a couple of questions for you.

In your 10 coiler kit did you only recieve just the aluminum rotor or did you also get a plastic one?

What kind of magnets did you recieve?

Does a single magnet go into the plastic holder?

Is the polarity of the magnet on the smaller ends?

Do you still plan on giving video footage of your results or have you been persuaded not to?

If those are neo magnets and its 1 magnet to a holder, I'm wondering if the tear drop shape cut in the aluminum rotor may cause some kind of a scalar field to be formed when pushed out of the smaller opening at the outer circumfrance of the rotor.

Mark

[smw1998a]

Hi Lee.

I would love to hear about your other circuit, as I am interested in all parts of this tech. I wont be doing any load tests on the small kit energizer however. From past experience I feel that it would net poorer results, partly because I do not have what I would deem the correct sizer batteries for it. I can see from using the 7 aH batteries that the energizer is poorly matched to charge them well.

Regards

Hello Ren and All,
Firstly I must apologise for the direction this thread has taken. Also, to you Ren, as it would appear that I have pointed a finger straight at you and this is not the right or polite way to do things. The thrust of my argument is simply to dispel some of the ignorance, sometimes embodied as blind faith, in the understanding and capabilities of the SSG energiser, particularly, the new 10 coiler kit. There is far more to understanding the benefits of these devices than foolishly looking for free energy.

People assume lots of things based on what has been said or claimed in the many groups on the net. It is very difficult to separate, from initial statements of performance, the facts, which later turn out to be based on honest measurement error or most commonly, statments taken out of context. The initial statements are leapt upon with great enthusiasm and become a fact, the retraction or correction, if there was one, becomes largely missed and simply vanishes. Hence, ignorance becomes commonplace, not because of ignorant people but because of ignorance of the true facts. You can’t label students ignorant because their teacher was ignorant of the facts, no more than you can blame the teacher for the ignorance of the students, when the teacher faithfully taught the facts, as they were understood. The whole FE scene is replete with grand claims, some true, some in error and sadly, some which are plain fraudulent.

The FE community as a whole is left with a dilemma. What facts are correct, what facts are incorrect and what facts are fraudulent. We at OTG work through claims based on such facts. It’s not our fault, if experimentally we have to disagree, with such facts, as long as our methods are transparent and replicable. The circuit I offer will increase the efficiency of your kit SSG, as seen in your video. I accept that you feel that your batteries or method my not be best suited to this device, that’s OK. It doesn’t matter whether your SSG performs poorly, what ever it’s performance the circuit will increase that performance by 20% as long as you use the same load test method. The advantage with my claim is simple. This circuit will increase the performance of any SSG (including the 10 coiler kit) by 20% so if you get COP>1 you could add 20% to that with this circuit but expect to provide clear data and method if you do claim COP>1 so other may replicate an verify.

The SSG was very kindly put into the public domain by John Bedini himself. John has patents on the circuit and method. There is no quick buck to be made here. There are no NDA’s and no secrets. Keep the information honest, keep it public and keep it free.

Regards to you all

Lee

[Mark]

Hello Lee

Your improvement on the SSG sounds interesting. I would like to take a look at it, are you going to post it?

[Mark]

Hey Dave

Looked at your channels and I was very impressed by your builds!

[smw1998a]

Hello Lee

Your improvement on the SSG sounds interesting. I would like to take a look at it, are you going to post it?

Hello Mark,

Yes, I will make a video of how to build,use the circuit and to attach it to the SSG without any modifications to the SSG.

Give me a bit of time.

Regards Lee..

[Plazma]

Sorry for the Delay . . .

Hi Mark,

Sorry for the delay in responding - I almost missed your query due to the massive number of posts that are flying back and forth. I am waiting for delivery of the kit - so, I cannot answer your very appropriate questions but will be happy to do so when it arrives and I get into the build. However, if this thread continues in the current direction, I may have to leave and try to find a more peaceful environment. I am under a fair amount of physical/emotional stress having endured a major health incident just after Thanksgiving - I'm getting better - but I want to concentrate what time and energy I have on achieving a real understanding of the 10-coiler and what, if anything, it might offer. My background is in Control Systems and Industrial Instrumentation - not EE - but a lot of digital computer and embedded microchip work.

So, thanks for your inquiry, and I'll try to answer what I can as I'm happy to share - its important to build up a collective understanding of this massive change in scale represented by the 10Coiler. It would really be nice to attract a group of 10-coiler builders . . . we'll hope for that.

All the Best,

Plazma

Hello Plazma

I have a couple of questions for you.

In your 10 coiler kit did you only recieve just the aluminum rotor or did you also get a plastic one?

What kind of magnets did you recieve?

Does a single magnet go into the plastic holder?

Is the polarity of the magnet on the smaller ends?

Do you still plan on giving video footage of your results or have you been persuaded not to?

If those are neo magnets and its 1 magnet to a holder, I'm wondering if the tear drop shape cut in the aluminum rotor may cause some kind of a scalar field to be formed when pushed out of the smaller opening at the outer circumfrance of the rotor.

Mark

[Dave Michael Rogers]

Sephiroth,
I've just been down to your lab, I like your builds, good job. Unfortunate title for your video though, which is true, except it isn't a motor.
Regards
Dave

[Sephiroth]

Sephiroth,
I've just been down to your lab, I like your builds, good job. Unfortunate title for your video though, which is true, except it isn't a motor.
Regards
Dave

Thanks Dave I posted the vid on otg as well, guess it was missed.

The title gets people's attention

[Mark]

Hello Mark,

Yes, I will make a video of how to build,use the circuit and to attach it to the SSG without any modifications to the SSG.

Give me a bit of time.

Regards Lee..

Thanks Lee I look forward to seeing it!

[Mark]

Hi Mark,

Sorry for the delay in responding - I almost missed your query due to the massive number of posts that are flying back and forth. I am waiting for delivery of the kit - so, I cannot answer your very appropriate questions but will be happy to do so when it arrives and I get into the build. However, if this thread continues in the current direction, I may have to leave and try to find a more peaceful environment. I am under a fair amount of physical/emotional stress having endured a major health incident just after Thanksgiving - I'm getting better - but I want to concentrate what time and energy I have on achieving a real understanding of the 10-coiler and what, if anything, it might offer. My background is in Control Systems and Industrial Instrumentation - not EE - but a lot of digital computer and embedded microchip work.

So, thanks for your inquiry, and I'll try to answer what I can as I'm happy to share - its important to build up a collective understanding of this massive change in scale represented by the 10Coiler. It would really be nice to attract a group of 10-coiler builders . . . we'll hope for that.

All the Best,

Plazma

No problem on the delay, sorry to hear about your health problems. I just recently retired (taking a few years off before finding a part time job for pocket change) and it seems like I have been battling some minor health issues for the last 2-3 months.

I thought that you already had the kit and had it partially assembled already. I must have been thinking of someone else. I would still appreciate it if you would let me know when you have the kit what is in it. Hopefully this thread will get back to more constructive issues but I must admit things get interesting when tempers flare. Hope you recieve your kit soon!

Mark

[WeThePeople]

EDIT/UPDATE:
I went back and deleted 78 acronyms
from an above post to save forum space

The "OTG" acronym is "Off The Grid",
thank you for that Aaron.

In your 10 coiler kit did you only recieve just the aluminum rotor
or did you also get a plastic one?

A: Both (One each)

What kind of magnets did you recieve?

A: 1" x 1/2" x 1/2" Neo's (Approx)

Does a single magnet go into the plastic holder?

A: Yes

Is the polarity of the magnet on the smaller ends?

???
A: They are axial polorized, the N/S are on the long ends...

If those are neo magnets and its 1 magnet to a holder,
I'm wondering if the tear drop shape cut in the aluminum rotor
may cause some kind of a scalar field to be formed
when pushed out of the smaller opening at the outer circumfrance
of the rotor.

A: They are just plastic holders, there are only two in the aluminum disc,
It is the clear plastic rotor that is fully populated and used with the coils.
The aluminum one seems to be used for the light show and trigger.
They are very wisely triangular to grasp tighter from centrifuge.

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Hope this helps,
I posted pics and vid links waaayy back there somewhere lol,
to save time here they are again...

Watch:
YouTube - OFFICIAL BEDINI 10 COIL KIT INFOMERCIAL

Save MP4:
Download OFFICIAL BEDINI 10 COIL KIT INFOMERCIAL video - savevid.com

Watch the time-lapse stuff at the end.

[Mark]

I only read a handful of different threads on this forum and almost all of them have fighting on them with one common denominator.

The name calling is uncalled for and needs to stop. People should be able to state their opinions and/or facts as they see them without the name calling regardless of what someone else has said. Lets all take the high road please and get back to whats important.

If someone gets a cop of greater than 1 or 20% that is what they got, plain and simple. Take it with a grain of salt and move on.

Well I said my peace now I'LL SHUT UP!

Mark

[Mark]

Thanks WE THE PEOPLE!

One more question if you dont mind. The aluminum rotor you said is used for the light show and the trigger. What do you mean the trigger, how is it used as a trigger?

Thanks again, Mark

[WeThePeople]

When you watch the vid you'll see the clear plastic wheel
being fully populated with a c-clamp by Rick,
then you will see the aluminum wheel with only two magnets
being fitted to the back on the end of the shaft.

I have tried to find a frame to freeze and grab
that shows what the aluminum wheel spins past.

As neither wheel has arrived to the person providing pics,
and I cannot find a vid's frame to freeze and post.

I am only speculating on the aluminum wheel's
magnet's function, it may only be for just the lightshow.

But as the front end is tradional electromagnetic in nature,
(Johns own words...)
if they use the two magnets on the aluminum wheel.

They could do both the triggering with one magnet,
and lightshow with the other one with two small coils.

Thus leaving all ten octa-filer (8X) wound coils
to produce a full 80 power providing circuit paths.

But it would trigger only once per revolution,
so that answer would surprise me.

That is unless the aluminum wheel
gets fully populated in actuality.

I mean, except for balancing,
why machine all those notches?

To the first one that gets their wheels, etc.

Do they use the aluminum wheel for both
light show and trigger leaving 80 charge paths?

I'll post if I find out first.

[ren]

Hello Ren and All,
Firstly I must apologise for the direction this thread has taken. Also, to you Ren, as it would appear that I have pointed a finger straight at you and this is not the right or polite way to do things. The thrust of my argument is simply to dispel some of the ignorance, sometimes embodied as blind faith, in the understanding and capabilities of the SSG energiser, particularly, the new 10 coiler kit. There is far more to understanding the benefits of these devices than foolishly looking for free energy.

People assume lots of things based on what has been said or claimed in the many groups on the net. It is very difficult to separate, from initial statements of performance, the facts, which later turn out to be based on honest measurement error or most commonly, statments taken out of context. The initial statements are leapt upon with great enthusiasm and become a fact, the retraction or correction, if there was one, becomes largely missed and simply vanishes. Hence, ignorance becomes commonplace, not because of ignorant people but because of ignorance of the true facts. You can’t label students ignorant because their teacher was ignorant of the facts, no more than you can blame the teacher for the ignorance of the students, when the teacher faithfully taught the facts, as they were understood. The whole FE scene is replete with grand claims, some true, some in error and sadly, some which are plain fraudulent.

The FE community as a whole is left with a dilemma. What facts are correct, what facts are incorrect and what facts are fraudulent. We at OTG work through claims based on such facts. It’s not our fault, if experimentally we have to disagree, with such facts, as long as our methods are transparent and replicable. The circuit I offer will increase the efficiency of your kit SSG, as seen in your video. I accept that you feel that your batteries or method my not be best suited to this device, that’s OK. It doesn’t matter whether your SSG performs poorly, what ever it’s performance the circuit will increase that performance by 20% as long as you use the same load test method. The advantage with my claim is simple. This circuit will increase the performance of any SSG (including the 10 coiler kit) by 20% so if you get COP>1 you could add 20% to that with this circuit but expect to provide clear data and method if you do claim COP>1 so other may replicate an verify.

The SSG was very kindly put into the public domain by John Bedini himself. John has patents on the circuit and method. There is no quick buck to be made here. There are no NDA’s and no secrets. Keep the information honest, keep it public and keep it free.

Regards to you all

Lee

Hi Lee,

No need for the apology mate, I wasnt offended or upset by your remarks. Infact I thought you approached the matters in a clear, level headed way, without pointing the finger or accusing, while also noting that none of us here are masters in the art.

Ive seen so many things taken out of context regarding Johns work it isnt funny. For example, alot of people jump on the TUV test results, expecting their "vanilla SG" to do this all day long, 1 battery to charge 12. When they fall dramatically short they label the whole thing a hoax. There are things about that test that just arent taken into account, like the fact that the batteries are being drained at well under their c20 rate, probably more like c5. Of course one must also consider the timeframe allotted for tests, its a bit hard to ask your visitor to "just wait overnight" till this test is done, I want to stick inside the c20 rates! So obviously some things need to be changed to accomodate.

In SOME ways its a bit like someone seeing a beautiful Monet or Picasso, inspired they go home with very little knowledge of the methods or arts they labor away and then get disappointed when it doesnt look like the one in the art gallery. But in other ways it is not like this I guess. So many people are looking at their glass being half empty instead of half full too.

@ Wethepeople.

I am confused by your remarks regarding the 10 coilers methods of trigger and generator actions. You seem to be saying a few times now that there are only two magnets on the aluminum wheel? And that it is only for light show and triggering?

Let me sum it up for you, I cant prove it because I dont have it here, but I am 99% sure its right. Both wheels will have magnets in them, in all the allotted spaces. The wheel that is aligned with the 10 radial coils (be it the aluminum or the acrylic) will act as the triggering device and the motoring function, as it has always been with rotor SG devices. There is no use for 10 coils around the circumference if there is only 2 magnets, unless one is opting for multiple phases, which John is not on this device. The wheel that acts as a generator will interface with another coil (apart from the 10 motor coils) as stated by Rick and others. In short, the rotor that does the triggering is the same one that will interact with the 10 power coils. Id be VERY surprised to find it being any different to this.

Regards