Bedini 10-coil

[Aaron]

John Bedini Group Comments

http://www.energeticforum.com/17709-post433.html

For anyone who has not been involved with the Bedini SG group that was recently closed, I compiled the messages from John Bedini as he was posting them. I only have this from The end of Feb until a few days ago and it has a lot of valuable information that he has never really discussed openly before.

This link is the PDF: John Bedini SG yahoo group comments , it is 91 pages

It might take a few hours to go through this, but if you want to learn about the SG, it is best to hear straight from John.

I have re-enabled this document since it rightfully belongs in the public
domain as it ALREADY is in the public domain since every message is from
the Bedini SG yahoo group.

John Bedini SG here it is, 91 pages pdf.

I removed this document quickly after accusations came up that I copied
the posts from a private group, which actually never happened. Any
messages that were originally in a private group and were placed into this
document is because John placed them into the public Bedini SG group
himself. Therefore, I took them from the public group and placed it into
this document.

There is a lot of good information in this document that I would recommend
that anyone read this document that is interested in the SG.

[dambit]

As you know from dropping a round magnet down
inside an aluminum tube, the eddy currents exist,
it will fall slowly even though you consider it non magnetic.

It's the whole Paramagnetic thing.

Your right about aluminium, but when the metal is moving with the magnet no eddy currents are produced. Relative to each other, they are not moving.

Cheers,

Steve

[smw1998a]

OTG Group Pulse Generator

Hello Lee

Your improvement on the SSG sounds interesting. I would like to take a look at it, are you going to post it?

Hi Mark and All,
I have started a new thread HERE so as not to distract from this subject. There is a link to a paper describing the circuit.

Regards Lee.

[ewizard]

deleted post per request of member (not Admin).

[Schpankme]

Kromrey Converter

Classic!

As the master of the shaft'; how is your Kromrey Converter coming' ?

It's been about 10 months since you gave an update on your Kromrey; does it charge batteries better then your Solid State Charger?

MK2 Solid State Charger
YouTube - SJohnM81's Channel

1:26 "You don't need the wheel anymore, but people still like to look at it!" - SJohnM81

- Schpankme

The phaonmneal pweor of teh hmuan mnid.

[albertMunich]

Hello to everyone out there!
I am following very closely the news about the 10 coil Bedini machine from Rick Friedrich.
I have made several Bedinis myself and my largest one has a 20 pound rotor and three five-strand coils of 1 mm wire. coil impedances are between 0.8 and 1.2 ohms.
14 transistors...
I would like to point out several things and give you some thoughts here.

I like the multicoil machines because they can deliver a substantial charge to substantial batteries. Yet the basic circuit is quite simple.

My own machines ALL work at 24 or 36 Volts and only come to life at these higher voltages. (On the Input).- On the output I like to stay at 12 volts putting several batteries in parallel. About 120 aH at the moment.

On the biggest machine the "radiant spikes" go over the top of the scope screen at 25 V/div. setting.

Last week I FRIED the machine completely by NOT connecting the output (well deserved you idiot I thought...). the transistors EXPLODED like firecrackers before the wheel had made a half turn. Bang bang bang....
Now if this happens with an 80 transistor machine you will creep to a corner and cry. If the transistors are SOLDERED IN you might not even be able to use the pcbs anymore.
The ole Neon lamp does not work as a safety catch anymore on the bigger multicoils.
Now I understand what risk John B is taking with this big machine of his having a 1600 aH Battery in the back room. this will fry the building probably if he makes a mistake.
I think he said that he smoked the machine once this way.
Now i am rebuilding my machine with MJL transistors and I throw out the BD 243 Cs that I used before.
The transistors will be screwed in (blocks) and not soldered anymore.
I think Rick is doing pioneering work by putting his kit to the market. I only hope that he will not be swamped by lawsuits from people who will either claim the machine is not powering their house or blow themselves up or shock themselves and so on. This is not a toy. If your output battery pack is not strong enough it will probably fly apart....
I have a question for the more experienced gurus here: On my BD 243 transistors- the machine is basically a replica of the Ron Pugh Machine described in Patrick Kellys free energy book-I use a set of 470 ohm base resistors. Do you have a ballpark figure for the fixed base resistor on a MJL 21194 transistor machine? This draws lots of current in the base and trigger circuit and I do not think a wire wound pot will work for the trigger control.
I think the fixed resistor will have to be at least 1/2 watt power. And a pot would have to be 10 watts or more. that correct?
The machine as it was before drew between 2 and 5 amps on a 36 volt supply. I charged not on the one pulse per magnet sweet spot but with 2 or 4 pulses per magnet. On the BD 243 C s the rotor quickly overspeeded and I had to use a speedbrake (piece of aluminum as an eddy current brake) next to the rotor to bring the speed down and keep the machine at "my" sweet spot for charging. This does not seem to be a problem on the MJLS.
Hope to be able to post some pics soon!

Albert

[ren]

Hi Albert.

Ive pushed the multifilar circuit to over 120v input. It performs remarkably well considering.

YouTube - 120v Bedini monopole

Ive placed a capacitor over the output, its saved me a few times from popping circuit components

Regards

[albertMunich]

There are other questions I have about the Rick Friedrich kit, and only a few have been answered by Rick himself, whom I contacted by E-mail. I don't want to use up too much of his time since he's certainly very busy...and I think these questions might be interesting to you here so I will repeat them:

1. We all agree that the Bedini machine is essentially a conductor or pump for the radiant energy. There is a lot of dissense about what this energy may be. Somewhere else on this forum there's a thread about the radiant spike and what it might be, with scope shots. My own scope shots look basically the same as the ones on this thread. To me it seems clear that the radiant energy effect is an RF phenomenon. Whether it is a longitudinal wave form that of course would not show or read on our scopes and meters or whether its an "ether gas" I cannot say. Even after years of experimenting with it.- The important point to remember here is that IF we have to deal with some form of RF here the machine has to obey the laws - or at least some of them- of RF construction and design. This is why so many of us FAIL to make these machines work properly-Everything becomes important in RF construction as the details may be effective BARRIERS for the radiant energy. So we might wind up with a machine that to our measuring equipment might work well but in reality does not deliver the energy or waveform that is supposed to charge and condition our batteries.

2. The machines I have made produce all a lot of RF noise on the radio- on longwave bands. You hear the transistors switching, and the typical chirps of PWM can be heard when you turn the pot and the machine goes thru the resonance points. On the bigger machines this might be a problem if you live in an urban area and bring down radio or other communications all around your shop.If you use filters you will kill the radiant. Catch 22.

3. So where are the definite guidelines for the WIRING of such a machine- do we need the copper tubing or thick copper wires to collect the radiant? On Ricks prototype nothing of the kind was seen. In RF, the wires to the machine and from the machine are extremely important, look at Bedinis big machine he uses the thickest available wire to keep the impedance as low as possible. Should the boards be directly next to the coils? do we need WAVEGUIDES just like in a microwave oven?
Other issues with the prototype: If you look at the CAD drawing on Ricks site, the coil holders are mounted on the top end of the coils. I pointed out to Rick that in the prototype the coil holders are right next to the rotor. This would be a perfect speedbrake if the coil holders are metal.
I know that VIBRATION is an issue in the multicoil machine and I guess Rick had the coils vibrating heavily when he mounted the coils at the top end and left the end next to the rotor essentially unsupported. The noise from ten vibrating coils would be deafening.
Trigger: The most important detail of them all.We are left in the dark about the trigger system on Johns 10 coil machine. the 12 volt lamp goes on when he turns on the sense switch but the machine does not turn yet. On all of my own designs the lamp will only light up when the rotor turns and the trigger current starts to flow. Perhaps John is using some kind of optical or hall switching? Or does the machine resonate when he turns it on? will the MJL transistors turn on fully when you use only one trigger thread off the coils? How do you tune the machine if there is no pot and the resistors are soldered in? How do you set it to different input voltages?
Aaron-you say that you have seen John run his big machine many times to charge the huge batteries he has recovered from the surplus. How many charge-discharge cycles did it take before the battery banks responded to the radiant on this large scale system? Probably hundreds of cycles...
I think this might be shortened by using one of these powerful machines but only if its properly tuned. So for us replicators and experimenters out here the cat bites its own tail- how to condition the batteries if we cant be sure the machine creates the proper signal?
So to avoid wrong expectations and disappointments we need to address these issues before we tackle to make a large Bedini machine. My call goes out to you people who are close to the source- Peter, Aaron, Rick, to give us some more information. If its already out there it is so dispersed in the various forums that it will take a year to dig it all out.Perhaps Ricks machine might serve as a model to help us clear these issues. I will order one and try to get it working IF I can get answers to the pertinent questions first- and I will have to get my own smaller machines to run well first. This is a step by step process and a learning curve but we simply do not have the time to go to all the pitfalls and dead ends ourselves and reinvent the wheel if someone has been there before.
Ricks machine is great in some of its design points- I like the solid shafts, the possibility to mount several rotor discs, the wedge shaped magnets that might not fly off so easily, the modular design and so on. A perfect base for a lot of experimentation. So if any of you has it on his bench lets hear what you are getting out of it and share the experiences please.

[albertMunich]

Hi Ren-
wow the video blew my mind - I had thought the MJLs might hold up to this kind of "abuse" but would not try it because my rotor would jump out the window if I did. Even at 1000 rpm its impressive since it is much bigger and I have some balance issues.Will the charge batts hold up to this kind of slamming?

As you say a lot of high wattage resistance is necessary on the trigger here. what is your resistor value? I think I'll discard my printed circuit boards and go to a hardwired approach as you did on the final build. Wonderful work.

[albertMunich]

I ran upstairs and shot some pix. Here is Machine 3:

[albertMunich]

The wire is probably the equivalent of 19 AWG- litzed in 5 strands and spun with a fine silk covering. Made to order. So you see I have some very low impedance coils. Might be wrong?!

[albertMunich]

Since the wires are pretty thick there are not too many turns on each coil...

[albertMunich]

Here you see the windings. This machine ran well on the BD 243 Cs but since I blew it I decided to put in the MJLs and I can't seem to get it up and running again....the base resistors are all wrong.On the 243s I could get this to run in solid state mode / 36 Volts in 12 volts out. Charged my 100 AH batts in 12 hours. But the 243 Cs are a bit too fragile for my tastes and my stupidity...

[albertMunich]

The backstage wiring is a mess right now and I am working on it. As you can see I put the transistors on blocks to be able to change them without ruining the boards by solderin them in and out.
I will finish this properly once I get the right values...

All of this brings us back to the issue of Ricks machine. Image all this multiplied many times and you have the complexity of his machine. I won't go any bigger until this baby is running on my workbench again.

[Plazma]

Greetings Albert . . .

You seem to have quite a knack in writing out good explanations and hitting on the many questions I have asked myself as I contemplate my future endeavors with a 10-coiler. And, congratulations on all of your hard work - that puts you way ahead of where I'm at reference multi-coiler energizers of all types.

At this writing 10-coiler materials are trickling in - I'm still 2 pkgs away from having the order in hand so sometime early April I'll start to build. Also, I am looking at a solar array design to install on the roof of my office/shop. This is a grid-tie system and may offer some interesting possibilities in the future as the inverter has several open inputs for energy sources besides PhotoVoltaic(PV).

In one of your posts you raised the issue of RF. Since my lab is in an-all metal building complete with Ufer ground matrix, I hope NOT to generate so much RF that local communications are affected. However, Rick F. was most explicit in his verbal warnings to me about the RF that the machinery would generate especially if the 10-coiler (monopole) were used to drive the 10-energizer coil/generator assembly that can be added to and coupled to the monople's drive shaft. I concluded that nearly all of my digital lab toys (scopes, meters, analyzers, PCs, etc) powered or not would/could be seriously affected so I chose not to attempt the generator assembly at this time until I got adequate experience with the 10-coiler, per se. As pointed out, tuning this monster by playing 20-factorial questions with fixed resistors is most likely enough of an exhausting, taxing process.

As you've suggested, I'll be posting as things develop.

All the Best,

Plazma