Bedini 10-coil

[nvisser]

One of the coils has got 9 strands for trigger

[ren]

or is it that, from all the coils, 1 strand is taken from each 8 filer coils. And each coil is responsible for switching their respective transistor panel? in that case the total number of transistors responsible for running the motor would be 70.(as 1 coil from each 8 filer is engaged for triggering)

Hammad,

The bases of all transistors are all paralleled after their equal base resistances. All coils share common connections so that all coils have an equal resistance on all bases. The Master coil contains one trigger winding which receives its inductive triggering from a passing magnetic field (the rotor). So power is not really delivered to the circuit from the battery for the "triggering" part, like some self oscillating designs are configured where the bias or feedback winding is directly connected to the source.

If the coil has sufficient inductance (which is effected not only by its turns/thickness gauge ratios, but of the proximity and strength of the passing magnetic flux, or rotor magnet) the signal produced can be used to switch the master coil, all its windings and all slave coils and their windings at that instant. If you have 100 ohms paralleled on the bases of 10 strands then what is the total ohms to switch the 10 transistors on? Since all transistors switch at the same time (they are all triggered by the induced flux on the trigger winding of the MASTER coil) all coils and all strands fire at the same time. The trigger is connected through and adjustable tuning pot and the to all paralleled resistances. The other end is connected to the ground. Because all coils fire at once it is advisable that each coil must be aligned to a magnetic pole on the rotor, unless one wants to run in attraction mode perhaps. The pulse is enough to depolarize the inductor at the correct moment of rotor alignment and negate part of the reverse attraction, which is responsible for most of the drag present. The pulse should generally be of singular spike, incorrect tuning can cause multiple spikes to appear, and should be tuned as to not waste current. The rotor, if built freely, will gravitate to so -called "sweet spots" and in some ways sets it own pace as energy is inductively discharged into the charging battery, balancing the impedance from front to backend.



Look up master and slave configurations, if you are not already familiar with them already.

Thats how I see it working anyway.

Regards

PS. Its not as tame or easy as it may seem. Considering your previous experience it may seem fairly straight forward, but an inductive discharge circuit like this that requires a "sink" for the discharge path can be tricky, and not as straight forward as they seem. A small "accidental" disconnection of the charging battery can see you 80 transistors less in an instant. Most people including myself would tell you to experiment with a single coil, multifilar or just bifilar, and try any experiments you may wish, knowing that only a few components may need to be replaced in the event of "accidents." It would also give you a chance to evaluate what you study and whether it differs from your perception of the device/method.

[Hammad]

Hi Bit's and Plazma

Hammad,

The bases of all transistors are all paralleled after their equal base resistances.I already know

All coils share common connections so that all coils have an equal resistance on all bases. The Master coil contains one trigger winding (my question is, is this trigger winding wound extra on 8 filer, which makes it 9 filer, or is it just taken from one of the 8 strands of coils) which receives its inductive triggering from a passing magnetic field (the rotor). So power is not really delivered to the circuit from the battery for the "triggering" part, like some self oscillating designs are configured where the bias or feedback winding is directly connected to the source.already know that too

I appreciate ur response ren, it gave me valuable info, but most of it i already know. my question remains the same, i am going to make it even more clear:


What I want to know is:

Case 1:
If master coil contains 9 strands per bobbin(9 filer coil), out of which 9th coil is to signal all the transistors? it that the case?

(plz see the picture named "trigger coil" i posted earlier today at 01:59 PM , it is just an example, not exact. here in that picture it uses extra winding on one of the bobins of this 4filer/4coiler motor, as triggering coil, this is similar configuration that i am talking about in Case 1)

If so, then 80 transistors are all switching.(is my statement correct?)
(like all 16 transistor are switching in the picture I posted)


Case 2:
If master coil is also 8 filer, like rest of them, as Bit's says, then one strand form that master coil is used to switch all transistors (the amount of strands left for powering the motor would be only 7).


If that's the case, then 9 transistor panels should have 8 transistors per panel and 10th transistor panel should have 7 transistors per panel, as 8th strand of that coil is used for triggering the bases of all other transistors(correct??)



I would request bit's and plasma to tell me which one it the case. since they have this motor in their homes

[Hammad]

Hi bit's

you said earlier that: "In the bottom most coil you have 8 individual strands(as you do in all of the coils). Take ONE of the strands and hook one end to ground, the other to the pot, then light, then anyone of the switchesfor the trigger circuit (typical Bedini fashion) "

here pot means potentiometer to be exact?

and light means incandescent bulb?

U said:"then anyone of the switches for the trigger circuit (typical Bedini fashion)" it means that we can take any one stand from any one of the 10 coils and use it for switching all 79 transistors? what about the 80th transistor?

Because in my mind what I think is that, each strand from every coil is going to single separate transistor independently. if that's the case, then what about the 80th transistor? is it used?

I think there is only one condition to use all 80 transistors, that is, u parallel all the Collector terminals of 8 transistors per panel, an feed the 8 strands of coil in parallel simultaneously. correct?

I wrote this in a way that u just have to answer me in yes or no to my statements, and u dont have to type so much. thats why i am writing same thing over and over again. sorry though

anxiously waiting for ur reply.
Thanks

[Hammad]

nvisser

One of the coils has got 9 strands for trigger

Hi there. Do u also have that 10 coiler that Rick made?

Because i am only asking question/anwers related to big 10 coiler that Rick duplicated from John Bedini's 10 coiler. Non other plz.

Thanks for reply though

[Bit's-n-Bytes]

you said earlier that: "In the bottom most coil you have 8 individual strands(as you do in all of the coils). Take ONE of the strands and hook one end to ground, the other to the pot, then light, then anyone of the switchesfor the trigger circuit (typical Bedini fashion) "

here pot means potentiometer to be exact?Yes

and light means incandescent bulb?Yes

U said:"then anyone of the switches for the trigger circuit (typical Bedini fashion)" it means that we can take any one stand from any one of the 10 coils and use it for switching all 79 transistors? what about the 80th transistor?Not used

Because in my mind what I think is that, each strand from every coil is going to single separate transistor independently. if that's the case, then what about the 80th transistor? is it used?See above

I think there is only one condition to use all 80 transistors, that is, u parallel all the Collector terminals of 8 transistors per panel, an feed the 8 strands of coil in parallel simultaneously. correct?There are many combinations that you can experment with

I wrote this in a way that u just have to answer me in yes or no to my statements, and u dont have to type so much. thats why i am writing same thing over and over again. sorry though

anxiously waiting for ur reply.
Thanks

See above.

PS. Vissie (Nvisser) has a wealth of experience and knowledge and is a valuable resource. He has built many combinations of this device. Please do not discount his advise.

Bit's

[Hammad]

Thanks Bit's

I am sorry, i am not dishonoring his advice, as it requires time to read and then write a reply to some ones question, so Nvisser spent his valuable time answering me, how can I dishonor him. I was just saying that I needed exact figures on Rick's model, in that case Nvisser reply of 9 filer master coil was wrong. Thats why I asked him if he has Ricks motor to make sure of the information. But otherwise his answer is not wrong.

u people are really very nice.

so it is final that the motor that Rick's sells, uses 79 transistors, one transistor is extra. I am fully aware that there are number of configurations we can experiment with for triggering and wiring, but i was looking only the exact configuration that bedini used and rick used. And u made it clear that that 79 transistors are used.

Few more questions:

1:Are those the Noedyium magnets or normal ferrite ones? (bc they are not silvery or golden, they look black like normal magnets) (yes/ no)

2:can u provide me the coil wire length or to be more exact the number of turns per coil?

3:Gauge of the wire used and number of welding rods used?

4: which transistors are used in Ricks motor? MJL21194?

5: Are there any SCRs involved in this motor?

6: what is the value/wattage or color code of resistors connected to the base or transistor?

7: the power rating, voltage or apmere of the incandescent bulb used in Rick's motor which is connected in series with base resistances(but i havent seen one in their video)

8: Value/Wattage of the potentiometer used.

The truth is, if u people manage to get more output than input from that Rick's 10 coiler (or by any means show over unity), then i am going to replicate the Ricks motor, exactly the same way like Rick did. Because right now I cannot afford to buy 4000USD motor. The material and the labor is not so costly here in my country. So I hope for the best that u show us all that this system actually works.

like I told u earlier that I am a teacher in my university, I want to put this motor in our electronics lab, and show it to the students and inspire them to work on and experiment with it.


Thanks a lot, all u guys.
Regards
Hammad

[minoly]

I am sorry, i am not dishonoring his advice, as it requires time to read and then write a reply to some ones question, so Nvisser spent his valuable time answering me, how can I dishonor him. I was just saying that I needed exact figures on Rick's model, in that case Nvisser reply of 9 filer master coil was wrong. Thats why I asked him if he has Ricks motor to make sure of the information. But otherwise his answer is not wrong.

u people are really very nice.

so it is final that the motor that Rick's sells, uses 79 transistors, one transistor is extra. I am fully aware that there are number of configurations we can experiment with for triggering and wiring, but i was looking only the exact configuration that bedini used and rick used. And u made it clear that that 79 transistors are used.

Few more questions:

1:Are those the Noedyium magnets or normal ferrite ones? (bc they are not silvery or golden, they look black like normal magnets) (yes/ no)

2:can u provide me the coil wire length or to be more exact the number of turns per coil?

3:Gauge of the wire used and number of welding rods used?

4: which transistors are used in Ricks motor? MJL21194?

5: Are there any SCRs involved in this motor?

6: what is the value/wattage or color code of resistors connected to the base or transistor?

7: the power rating, voltage or apmere of the incandescent bulb used in Rick's motor which is connected in series with base resistances(but i havent seen one in their video)

8: Value/Wattage of the potentiometer used.

The truth is, if u people manage to get more output than input from that Rick's 10 coiler (or by any means show over unity), then i am going to replicate the Ricks motor, exactly the same way like Rick did. Because right now I cannot afford to buy 4000USD motor. The material and the labor is not so costly here in my country. So I hope for the best that u show us all that this system actually works.

like I told u earlier that I am a teacher in my university, I want to put this motor in our electronics lab, and show it to the students and inspire them to work on and experiment with it.


Thanks a lot, all u guys.
Regards
Hammad

“My dear i am an electrical engineer, and I am Lecturer at my university.”
My friend, do not take this personally that is not my intention. From reading your posts, this quote will be your worst enemy. Free your mind, the rest will follow.

Ren not only answered your question specifically, he gave you additional insight as to why. Nvisser also answered your question, in that if what you say is true, “I am into Bedini motor for 3 years now.” “I know exactly how switching is performed.” Then the teeny tiny puzzle Nvisser presented should be as simple as what comes after abc.

Now Bits has gone above and beyond to answer your questions, even using the format you request. If more methods to answer your question are needed then I highly recommend EFTV part 2 (minimum, as I recommend them all). Do a search for Energy from the Vacuum - Part 2 - John Bedini - the first link will be the link to the vids.

Now you request extreme specifics on the build, if this is truly for your lab, I recommend you just buy the kit, all your answers are there, email Rick or JB directly. Helping others (your students) to learn and unlearn, will speed the process.

@ Ren, EFTV part 6 – JB explains that the monopole IS an attraction motor, however, he inadvertently uses the word repulsion in the same sequence of sentences. The 2 LED’s on the power winding will show timing of when the power coil is charging and discharging, remember the scalar South is hidden from plain view. So if we can agree, when the coil discharges, it discharges w/ North facing the wheel, at that moment, the North facing magnet has already past and the scalar south is approaching, south is attracted to North – and the rest is history…….To make this a repulsion motor, that is when you advance the coil, which will give you the power – at the cost of the radiant, however, it’s all in the tuning so take that w/ a grain of salt. I only mention this because I enjoy your vids and posts, I believe advancing the trigger to be one of the keys to tuning a sloppy build this could be why the 10 coiler did not ship w/ the ability to do so. This has puzzled me in the past so if I’m wrong on this – much humility on my part will get me through the day

[Bit's-n-Bytes]

“My dear i am an electrical engineer, and I am Lecturer at my university.”
My friend, do not take this personally that is not my intention. From reading your posts, this quote will be your worst enemy. Free your mind, the rest will follow.

Ren not only answered your question specifically, he gave you additional insight as to why. Nvisser also answered your question, in that if what you say is true, “I am into Bedini motor for 3 years now.” “I know exactly how switching is performed.” Then the teeny tiny puzzle Nvisser presented should be as simple as what comes after abc.

Now Bits has gone above and beyond to answer your questions, even using the format you request. If more methods to answer your question are needed then I highly recommend EFTV part 2 (minimum, as I recommend them all). Do a search for Energy from the Vacuum - Part 2 - John Bedini - the first link will be the link to the vids.

Now you request extreme specifics on the build, if this is truly for your lab, I recommend you just buy the kit, all your answers are there, email Rick or JB directly. Helping others (your students) to learn and unlearn, will speed the process.

@ Ren, EFTV part 6 – JB explains that the monopole IS an attraction motor, however, he inadvertently uses the word repulsion in the same sequence of sentences. The 2 LED’s on the power winding will show timing of when the power coil is charging and discharging, remember the scalar South is hidden from plain view. So if we can agree, when the coil discharges, it discharges w/ North facing the wheel, at that moment, the North facing magnet has already past and the scalar south is approaching, south is attracted to North – and the rest is history…….To make this a repulsion motor, that is when you advance the coil, which will give you the power – at the cost of the radiant, however, it’s all in the tuning so take that w/ a grain of salt. I only mention this because I enjoy your vids and posts, I believe advancing the trigger to be one of the keys to tuning a sloppy build this could be why the 10 coiler did not ship w/ the ability to do so. This has puzzled me in the past so if I’m wrong on this – much humility on my part will get me through the day

@Minoly, thank you.

@Hammad, I am sorry, any disclosure of the information you are now requesting would violate my NDA with John and Rick. I now suggest you purchase this kit to where all of these questions will be answered.

Thanks

Bit's

[Hammad]

thaks bit's

no problem. its ok u r right. but plz keep us informed about ur work. may be i might buy one someday

[Mark]

Hello Bits

Nice to see you posting here again. I didn't realize there was an NDA with the kit or is that just with you because you are working on other stuff with John and Rick? Will you be able to report your finding with the 10 coiler and if so do you have any new news?

I have built my own version of Johns solar charger and am testing different amp levels and frequencies of discharges. So far I have not been able to confirm a discharge similar to what John showed in his video is beneficial to the rate that the batteries charge. I know its good for the longevity of the batteries but I was expecting the charging to be quicker. Of course my set up is different and I am not done testing yet. Do you know when the solar charges will be ready for shipping?

Thanks Bits and good luck with your continued work I enjoy reading your posts.

Mark

[Bit's-n-Bytes]

I didn't realize there was an NDA with the kit or is that just with you because you are working on other stuff with John and Rick? Mark

Mark, no NDA with kit (except for the documentation noted in the kit requests non-discloser). I do other work for John and Rick.

Thanks

Bit's

[John_K]

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The truth is, if u people manage to get more output than input from that Rick's 10 coiler (or by any means show over unity), then i am going to replicate the Ricks motor, exactly the same way like Rick did. Because right now I cannot afford to buy 4000USD motor. The material and the labor is not so costly here in my country. So I hope for the best that u show us all that this system actually works.

like I told u earlier that I am a teacher in my university, I want to put this motor in our electronics lab, and show it to the students and inspire them to work on and experiment with it.


Thanks a lot, all u guys.
Regards
Hammad

Hammad,

You are missing the whole point of this device. As John Bedini has advised numerous times, THIS IS NOT AN OVER UNITY DEVICE! There never was and never will be.
This is an experimental device, just as all of the other Bedini devices that John has chosen to share publicly, to show you that there is something else charging the battery besides what the EE text books have brain-washed you with.
The "free energy" shows up in the batteries after a period of time, once the battery has been conditioned to this type of energy.

If you are so interested in getting one of these energizers (it is not a "motor" as you put it) for your students at your university why don't you apply for a grant or put a good case forward for your university to pay for it? You will struggle to find anyone else on the planet who will build it for less than the price Rick is asking for it AND who will build it correctly and to the same quality. Sure, anyone could build one but not everyone has the knowledge to build it correctly, as Rick does.

You will not get your questions answered on this or any other forum. If you are experienced as you say you are then you would not have needed to ask the questions you did as they are basic questions that anyone who has successfully replicated Bedini's devices would already know the answers to.

I am not trying to start a flame war here, but when new members come in here and show little respect for other members that have gained credibility through their experience and research it makes me very annoyed. I would suggest that if you are serious about researching this technology and then sharing your knowledge with your students that you start experimenting for yourself and gain the knowledge from your experiments.

I wish you all the best.


John K.

[Hammad]

wow wow wow man.

Easy u guys. I think I am misunderstood and misinterpreted here.

Looks like no body here believe that i am an engineer and I have been into bedini motor at the same time. Well, see this link, here it is written my full name "Hammad Shaukat"in lecturers list:

University of Engineering and Technology Taxila, Pakistan

yes this is the first time i have ever joined a forum!

And also people say that, if am what is say i am, then why i asked such basic questions about the triggering and other stuff?
The answer is: those questions were asked to only know the configuration particularly used in Rick's motor(and were mostly asked to Bit's and Plasma, as they had bought one), its not that i don't know how triggering is done. As this forum name is "bedini-10-coil", that's why i asked about the trigger configuration that was used in that Rick's 10 coiler, in particular. As there are numerous other ways to do triggering.

But Bit's told me straight forward that he could not, he was right. It is ok with me.

I also have seen all the circuit diagrams in this url below

Schematics Illustrated

and fully understand most of them(as far as circuit is concerned, not the stuff about radiant energy phenomenon, the truth), others I simply haven't concentrated on.
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I know its an energizer not motor.

I know its very wrong to say the curse word "over unity", proper word would be coefficient of performance > 1. bc it doesn't seem so fictional, so is fine with every body.

But if it is simply charging and increasing the battery capacity (like any desulphator pulsed charger would), then is not a big deal.

the charming thing about this energizer would be if it charges more batteries on charge side than it is draining batteries on primary side i.e., cop>1. As John bedini claims, and showed in his EFTV 2. And I believe him!

Even when Bit's says in his video, that he is at cop=1, it is also an exciting thing to know (as motor is maintaining its speed against air damping, bearing friction, sound losses etc, so if we add these parameters, then motor is a little above COP=1, I guess ).

But there are hardly any people that i know, who have replicated the bedini energizer and got significant cop>1 (useful enough to do practical work, like bedini did). And they are only those people, who have very close contact with John Bedini. (though i know it is hard to tune the machine). That's why I joined this forum to get concrete evidence that some one other than John bedini (and also other than close friends of bedini, like Peter etc.) have managed to get COP>1. The answer lies in Bit's and plasma's hand, as they have, what Rick had and so, what bedini had in his workshop.

I was told to get funding from my uni, 4000USD is not much for university, but chairman/Dean need a justification, as to what this thing is?, If I tell them, they would simply laugh at me, so I can not do that.

Hope I am going to get kicked off from this forum after this message.

Any how keep up the good work, Bit's and plasma Plz share ur work periodically, ur posts are valuable to us all

[digitz]

Hello Hammad,

I am sure you and your students would learn much more from the Schoolgirl Bedini and other simple variants than from the 10 coil. When you learn, you want to learn the principle, why not building up a schoolgirl bedini, its easy, almost free and very good for learning. And the best part is you make it alone (or students).

I don't see easy learning on a 80 transistors monster. Bedini said make the schoolgirl, test it, learn from it, then make it bigger. The 10 coil machine does marvels i am sure, but for learning switching/triggering/battery charging it is much easier with a smaller machine.
You change a parameter -> it changes the results.
The 10 coiler is sure a sexy beast, but beginning from the Top wont take you higher, of course if learning is your purpose.

When every one of your students makes himself a small bedini, then can desulphate batteries with it (as a side effect), they all gonna take some power at home and learning in mind.