Bedini 10-coil

[iankoglin]

Hi Kogs . . . Interesting Post . .

By 'I let it stand' do you mean 'it' as the source battery? If so, this speaks into a question I have mulled over a lot - and that is, 'What (if any) charging interaction does one get by the pathway created between the source battery and the charging battery - that is, by reference to the negative of the battery being charged being connected to the poisitive buss of the source battery that provides excitation energy to the coils of the apparatus?' If there is significant 'bleed-through' of pulses as imposed on the charging battery and these are reflected on the source battery, especially with something as potentially energetic as a 10-coiler, that might explain the issue about placing large caps across the source battery. Maybe the caps preferrentially absorb those pulses - or, maybe they are referenced as part of some scheme to switch off the source battery and recharge it while the big caps run the energizer for a few, short cycles of the machine. Its quite confusing.

As far as settling time between useages, I have seen the source battery recover some of its zip after charging one or more load batteries. The source battery can recoil back fairly quickly, recovering as much as 0.1-0.2 volts with an hour's rest. The question is, 'is this a redistribution of ions caused by the loading, a latent reaction to the feedback of charging pulses as discussed above, or a combination of the two?'

As usual, a lot more questions than answers . . .

Plazma

G'Day Plazma, et al
Both the Primary battery and the charging batteries are in fact in series If after you have finished charging the charge battery then you switch off the machine through the trigger coil only when you let the batteries stand they are still in series and interact with each other If I remember correctly JB says that when you charge/Discharge a battery the current is going both ways its hard for us to understand exactly what is happening but any time a voltage is applied to an inductor there is immediately dropped across the inductor in the opposite direction a voltage of equal value From where does this voltage come from? So when you are using a battery there is also a current flowing in the opposite direction, when you are charging a battery there is also a current flowing in the oposite direction.

If you have 1 battery fully charged and one half charged and you connect them in series What happens?

The caps as I understand have a much lower impedance than a battery I think it is close to zero and a cap receives a charge much easier than a battery does. You can use this energy as normal energy. JB has stated that the pulse into a battery from a cap should be twice the size as the battery now if and when the energy from the cap is being discharged quickly into a battery Immediately in the opposite direction a current of equal voltage is applied and as the impedance in the cap is much lower than the battery it will receive the charge better.

JB has said you should use batteries on the front end the same size as the back end.

If I am wrong I am sure and would like someone will correct me.

Kindest regards Kogs

[iankoglin]

Clarification of previous post

G'Day Plazma, et al
Both the Primary battery and the charging batteries are in fact in series If after you have finished charging the charge battery then you switch off the machine through the trigger coil only when you let the batteries stand they are still in series and interact with each other If I remember correctly JB says that when you charge/Discharge a battery the current is going both ways its hard for us to understand exactly what is happening but any time a voltage is applied to an inductor there is immediately dropped across the inductor in the opposite direction a voltage of equal value From where does this voltage come from? So when you are using a battery there is also a current flowing in the opposite direction, when you are charging a battery there is also a current flowing in the oposite direction.


Kindest regards Kogs

G'Day Just to clarify my last post

This as I understand is NOT the radient energy but is called "Back EMF" But what I am saying is that there is other energy all around us and that is where this Back EMF comes from it just does not come from nothing.
The radient energy that we collect is what is pumped from this energy that is surrounding us and all the wires in fact everywhere, and these machines that we are building/Trying to build as JB explains to us are the means of harvesting this Energy.

Kindest regards Kogs

[chasson321]

Hey Plazma,

I read somewhere on the net a long time ago, that there IS something going
back to the front battery, and that is what UN-DOES the conditioning. I don't
know if it was true, but seemed to be an honest article. I once ran big caps
on my machine, but after reading that, I started running off of an isolated
power supply and inverter. It seems as though the spikes going back to the
source will kill them pretty fast. Thats why John says you can't mix the
energies. Remember John said you can't pull from a battery AND charge it
at the same time. This is why. It will just kill it (John's words).

I have noticed when I have a battery hooked up to the SSG and a conventional charger connected to that primary battery the wave form is altered quite a bit. Can you get the same spike when your power supply is used for the primary battery that you get for just a battery alone?

Tim

[Littleremnant]

Tim,

You will still get the spike going back to the power supply, but it would be
isolated and wouldn't hurt it. That spike, as far as I know, will only hurt an
SSG charged battery. Not a regular charged one. The article I read says
it will UNDO the SSG conditioning. I have done it, and it certainly does kill
the batteries. You can put an inverter (which is isolated) and a power
supply on the SSG charged battery, and put it on the front end. Won't hurt
it.

[Tysla]

guys,

have they ever talked about:

1.) how long does it take to charge up the 'extra bank'?
2.) how many batteries can be in said 'extra bank'?

thanks

[LEVD]

10 coil

I am very much interested in various forms of alternate energy. I cam accross this forum as a result. However every link I try to log onto regarding any of the Bedini products seem to be gone. Is there a actual webight that I can get some pricing from for the 10 coil unit?

[blackchisel97]

I am very much interested in various forms of alternate energy. I cam accross this forum as a result. However every link I try to log onto regarding any of the Bedini products seem to be gone. Is there a actual webight that I can get some pricing from for the 10 coil unit?

Bedini 10 Pole Monopole Kit


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[John_K]

Bedini 10 Pole Monopole Kit


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Or if you are in Australia you can go here:

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John K.

[ZeropointEnergy]

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Or if you are in Australia you can go here:

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John K.

Hey John,

I'm trying to help my Dad calculate the number of batteries/or banks
needed to achieve sufficient energy to run a standard Australian home.

I have obtained an abundant amount of data of charging rates, the amount
of current draw per coil, master to slave ratio, the wire sizes, RPM and
never a post/website on kWh usage vs recharge time.

I have seen most of the EFTV and own all the Bedini content but the only
reference is the 2kW load tests then replace it not a whole house usage.

Can you please forward to some data on daily usages to gain an idea
after the $4000 for the unit and $2000-$5000 on batteries.
I was planning to scale up and add more battery banks to cover all the
energy requirements.

Thankyou for the help on the Yahoo aswell.

Regards
Zero

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[John_K]

Hey John,

I'm trying to help my Dad calculate the number of batteries/or banks
needed to achieve sufficient energy to run a standard Australian home.

I have obtained an abundant amount of data of charging rates, the amount
of current draw per coil, master to slave ratio, the wire sizes, RPM and
never a post/website on kWh usage vs recharge time.

I have seen most of the EFTV and own all the Bedini content but the only
reference is the 2kW load tests then replace it not a whole house usage.

Can you please forward to some data on daily usages to gain an idea
after the $4000 for the unit and $2000-$5000 on batteries.
I was planning to scale up and add more battery banks to cover all the
energy requirements.

Thankyou for the help on the Yahoo aswell.

Regards
Zero

Hi Zero,

Thanks!

It depends on what you call "average". Let's say 10kWh/day is average for calculation purposes. Let's also say that you have a 5kW pure sine wave inverter to convert your battery bank voltage to 240VAC. Let's also say that 80% of your 10kWh is used between 6am and 10pm (16 hours).

So that means you'll draw on average 0.5kW from your battery bank. If you run a 24V battery bank, that works out to be about a 20A draw. Let's say you want to get 16 hours at 20A out of the batteries, for that you need 320Ah at 24V. But, you won't want to run your batteries right down to 10.5V. Therefore I usually recommend about double the capacity for your average needs, so count on around 600Ah of 24V batteries.

I don't have a 10-coiler, but I would think that it would be capable of charging a 24V 600Ah bank if it was runnning 24/7. If I did have a 10-coiler, I would run it of dual primary banks that are recharged with a Bedini based solar charger.

Maybe someone with a 10-coiler can give you the recharge time.

I hope this helps.


John K.

[nilrehob]

Or if you are in Australia you can go here:

10 Pole Bedini Monopole Energizer Kit

Top Aussie dealer!


John K.

Does anyone know of a dealer in EU?

/Hob

[Aaron]

EnergenX chargers

Hob,

Tesla Chargers | World's Most Efficient, Effective & Advanced Battery Chargers ships to EU all the time.

Are you asking because you want to make an order or you want
to be a dealer?

[nilrehob]

Hob,

Tesla Chargers | World's Most Efficient, Effective & Advanced Battery Chargers ships to EU all the time.

Are you asking because you want to make an order or you want
to be a dealer?

My first thought was to make an order,
but being a dealer might be interesting as well.

/Hob

[ZeropointEnergy]

Thanks

Hi Zero,

Thanks!

It depends on what you call "average". Let's say 10kWh/day is average for calculation purposes. Let's also say that you have a 5kW pure sine wave inverter to convert your battery bank voltage to 240VAC. Let's also say that 80% of your 10kWh is used between 6am and 10pm (16 hours).

So that means you'll draw on average 0.5kW from your battery bank. If you run a 24V battery bank, that works out to be about a 20A draw. Let's say you want to get 16 hours at 20A out of the batteries, for that you need 320Ah at 24V. But, you won't want to run your batteries right down to 10.5V. Therefore I usually recommend about double the capacity for your average needs, so count on around 600Ah of 24V batteries.

I don't have a 10-coiler, but I would think that it would be capable of charging a 24V 600Ah bank if it was runnning 24/7. If I did have a 10-coiler, I would run it of dual primary banks that are recharged with a Bedini based solar charger.

Maybe someone with a 10-coiler can give you the recharge time.

I hope this helps.


John K.

Hey John,

Sorry for the late response have been refining an experiment to
improve efficiency ( the fun stuff haha)

That was the conclusion I was leaning towards but still need to calculate
the max kWh daily usage and surge voltage and battery banks.

I was under the impression the 10 coiler could recharge the 2-3kW
constant usage during the day and just factor in the charging times,
battery banks and timing appliances not to go over inverter capability?

I will continue to research which is the best to buy of the Bedini
products to help power home other than just parts/DVD's.

Regards
Zero