Tom Bearden 1984 Simple Free Energy Motor

[Ted Ewert]

The main problem I see in this whole field is lack of organization and cooperation. Most people are waiting around like a flock of vultures for somebody to come along and provide them with a set of simple plans for free energy.
Most guys don't build anything, try anything new or contribute anything positive to the cause. They don't make a physical, mental or financial effort to rectify the sorry state of energy dependency we find ourselves in.
Good intentions don't get the job done. Guys like Ash who started Panacea are the ones who are doing it. If you're sitting on your ass reading this and are wondering what you can do, you can send him some money. Nothing gets done without financial support.
Forget getting anything useful from guys like Bearden. They talk a lot but will never reveal how to make it really work. All their books and DVDs are a complete waste of time and money.
The only way we're going to get a real working device is if we do the work ourselves. We should develop Panacea type organizations all over the world. Those who can build, should build. Those who can't should organize and provide support. It takes work and dedication to make anything happen.
If you're sitting back not doing anything, and waiting for someone else to make it happen, you're just as culpable as the people who actively suppress alternative energy devices.
Free energy has to be a widespread, grass roots type of movement. Active participation is mandatory. Get involved!

Ted

[Jules Tresor]

You are right TEd, many do nothing but complain ... but without 100% data, you don't want to risk to lose your money on experiments that bring you nowhere !!

Personally, I tried my SSG and Bedini's oscillators many years ago, but I hate soldering and electronics because it's too small parts

So I made websites, like Home_Introduction_Site Map - WATER as FUEL - review of available technologies. MDG 2006-2007
(mirror: Home_Introduction_Site Map - WATER as FUEL - review of available technologies. MDG 2006-2007)
300 html pages on free energy, 5000 hours of work

Then I paid UK NGO in Cambodia to develop prototypes ... they are working if you pay, but 8 am to 5 pm. Projects never finished ... they have private car credits to pay, it's very difficult to find an NGO that puts his heart in the work ... most are financed by WHO, UNICEF, WORLD BANK and other lobbies. They is no hope from that side IMO.
I have been in humanitarian since my 20's, I know a bit of their operations.

Then after a few other personal experiments, spending again many dollars without reaching a practical device, I went with Panacea, and they are doing what they can with what they have.

I sent a few thousands dollar in 2009 because I know how hard their volunteer job is. They have so many things to do, while having to support their own families.

I wish I had tens of thousands dollar like Bedini or Bearden have, not talking about their knowledge, because I could put a workshop in place, develop the Panacea project to put guys on work full time with full equipment, and we could reach an Open Source Practical Device in a few months ...

and then give the FULL knowledge for everyone to reproduce it FOR FREE.

But you are right, I still don't do enough. I should give more, go to join a working group of guys, to work full time on it, but nobody is perfect
I am waiting for an opportunity to do it...


PS: I have a business, I sell products.
I you want to buy my product you buy it, and I take my margin.
But if you want to make it yourself I sell all the info for 12 USD, then you can also sell the product you make yourself.

I make money but I don't hold the knowledge just for me.
Why I do like that ?
Because I can't supply the all world from my factory !
And I don't want to take the responsability to hold the knowledge and say "only me can sell it"


If Bedini was selling his devices and sell the full knowledge also, he could make business, but poor guy could make is own version, and sell it in his neighborhood.
Bedini doesn't allow others to copy his devices. It's patent protected an if you open it you see it's all in resine, you can't figure how it's made ...

He wants exclusivity, but can he supply the all world ? No, nobody can.

Can a Cambodian earning 60 USD a month for his all familly buy a 200 USD charger to desulfate is battery ?
Remember this guy has 1 car battery to light a small bulb for a few hours in the night.
He has to recharge it every other day for 50 cents, and the battery is sulfated after 2 months and he has to buy a new battery for 20 USD.

To resume this family spend around 20 USd per month for a few hours of light per night. It's 30% of the family income.
If he had a cheap desulfator he would save 10 USD per month, 15% of his income ....
But if he had a 20 Watts free electricity generator he could save 20 USD a month, 30% of the family income !!!
THERE, in most places of the world free electricity is VERY important.

Anyway free electricity is needed everywhere.

[boguslaw]

I think everybody is waiting for 21.12.2012
Nobody wants to be the catalyst of disaster of 2012 if there would be not natural event, so let's wait to see if something happen then decide what next....

[Ted Ewert]

Hey Jules,
My rant was NOT directed at you whatsoever. It was more for those guys who just serf the energy boards waiting for someone else to do all the work.
We all have families to support, so it's difficult to expend a lot of time and money on something that's a shot in the dark. It sounds like you’ve certainly done what you can.
Bedini, Lindemann or Dollard, among many others, could solve this problem in about ten minutes, but they aren't talking. So lets forget about guys who aren't part of the solution, no matter how much they pretend to be. They're just a distraction.
We should ask a few simple questions first to narrow things down a bit. What technologies are most folks capable of reproducing for their own use? What technologies are relatively safe? How much power is the technology capable of? How much will it cost?
For example, devices like gravity wheels are inherently impractical. They are difficult to build, and they have to be huge in order to generate any kind of meaningful power. And where would you put something like that?
So, once it gets nailed down it’s just a matter of collecting resources and getting to work. Simple.

Ted

[Jules Tresor]

You are right Ted, one of the problems is that there is so many techs there !

Yes we must select among hundreds of devices/patents and then focus on !

After that, each person/group has a different target ... some want 20kw, some think that 2kw is enough, and in third world a simple 20W lamp running for free would be a revolution, changing deeply the society by being a key to develop night studies for kids and parents, and also to shops and small businesses that work at night.
A large part of the world is dark after 6 pm ! Streets have no lights, but people goes for shopping after night fall to escape the afternoon heavy heat.
For a poor family, having a 20 W fluo tube can attract many customers to their micro shop along the street.

So the choice will depend of the use trageted.

# a desulfator at less than 20 USD, open source, could do a lot in third world.
Hundreds of million of persons have a car battery as electricity source ... and with regular charge/discharge and cheap battery, they have to change it every 2 or 3 months. In South America, Africa and Asia, this could have a large success.
Putting the knowledge online in a clear and easy pdf file could bring hundreds of individuals, all around the world, to start building them and selling them in their own countries.
That could be a first and easy project with impact on thousands of lives (may be millions) within a few years.

# Notice that many technologies work on the same concept, but look different. Bedini, Gray, Newman, Meyer and tens of others work on Tesla Impulse Technology. The unidirectional sharp DC pulse ... some send it on a spark gap, others in a battery, a capacitor, a glowing gas tube, ...

So it's here, we have enough data, and as you said it needs only a focus by a knowledgeable and skillful team to bring a device in a short time with a few thousands dollars if the equipment is there already and the people volonteer.

But many have done it and then they put patents, hide details, search for millions from investors, or were too scared to share, or whatever happened ... and the public has nothing complete and clear, open source and universally accessible through internet.

Who is going to do it ?

[Michelinho]

Hi Jules Tresor,

# a desulfator at less than 20 USD, open source, could do a lot in third world.

2 years ago I bought a battery charger/desulfator that works well on car and smaller batteries and paid $40 cdn. It is the Optimate 3, I wanted a Bedini charger at the time it still was not available.

OptiMate Battery Optimiser, battery care and charger by TecMate

After 2 years of heavy use, it is still going on strong. I can't compare it to the Bedini unit since I don't have access to one. Check it out.

Take care,

Michel

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, I have a couple of ideas that can be cheaply built by third world peoples right now. First is good old muscle power, though not ultimately our goal, but a simple bicycle type human generator could power a bedini self oscillator to pulse charge there batteries and give them longer life or direct charge them as well. Another idea is a spring steel ribbon coil generator which is charged with legs or arms to wind the coil, like baygen radios and the old gramophones, etc. With the spring steel coil gens. batteries might not be needed. I can even imagine in a community, some kind of larger spring coil that is charged or wound up by ingenious methods like using pulleys to lift heavy objects that then use gravity to wind up the spring steel coils. But for simplicity, i think the human powered generator would be the best option for now, ideally powering a self oscillator to desulphate while charging batteries. For what its worth, there it is.
peace love light
Tyson

[SkyWatcher]

Hi again, and another idea i saw on the net once is a large type of fireplace billow that blows air. The guy had an idea for pulling a car on top of a large billow that could be made of something cheap like tarps and gravity will push air out the billow nozzle through a cheap propeller or air turbine setup connected to a cheap electric motor to power an oscillator to charge batteries or power a device directly. Though instead of using a car as the weight on could use smaller heavy objects and lift them with various means like pulleys or something and compress a medium size billow to do the same thing. Just a few thoughts.
peace light love
Tyson

[SkyWatcher]

Hi again folks, here is a pic of that billow idea from the old 'Johnny Cool Pants' though it need not be this big, but to show the idea.
peace love light
Tyson

[SkyWatcher]

and a couple more pics.

[sucahyo]

To resume this family spend around 20 USd per month for a few hours of light per night. It's 30% of the family income.
If he had a cheap desulfator he would save 10 USD per month, 15% of his income ....
But if he had a 20 Watts free electricity generator he could save 20 USD a month, 30% of the family income !!!
THERE, in most places of the world free electricity is VERY important.

Nice website you have .

How about a desulfator AND a 3 watt CFL driver?

Lighter implementation
YouTube - 3 watt CFL ligther with sting oscillator

Charger implementation
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...ead.php?t=5645

at least 30% efficient desulfator that do not heat up the battery.

Anyone want to mass produce sting oscillator please find out the resonance first. It is no way optimal. I only hit local optimal at 3 watt but I think it can be lower. Replace resistor with variable resistor.

1 sting oscillator price is under $1 plus transformer price $2 = $3. I will see if the transformer from broken CFL can be utilized. If it is the circuit cost can be lowered even more by scrapping wasted CFL.

[Jules Tresor]

Ok everyone,
Thanks for your answers.
I'll stop this thread and go for another one as soon as I have more constructive data on the subject.
Thanks and good luck all .

My conclusion: thanks all for those great videos, DVD and books to buy, that teach the HOW TO free electricity.
You are doing a great job for education and disclosure, even if some of us are waiting more than just info, but real construction guides, to put such devices to practical use today ...
We will reach there one day
Everyone does what he can