Ed Gray with Bedini Radiant Spark

[Xenomorph]

I guess I could have said the potential "moves" through both branches, but remember I don't have any training in classical nomenclature.

Ah, i understand. Well technically a potential does not "move", it is the current that moves (between two potential nodes), but i understand what you mean.

And the grids' discharge HAS to be non-classical for there to be such tremendous energy gain.

There is evidently a non-linear process involved.

Gray used more than one grid, each of which would have a different potential due to differences in surface area.

Since all grids are conductively connected with each other, they share the same potential node regardless of their surface area.
It is remarkable however that the distance will be crossed at the voltages used in the circuit and that different distances occur.
The nature of this process is the true unknown part of the functionality.

I think carbon acts as a negative resistor only when it's one or two atoms thick. Gray's carbon rod shown in the patent doesn't touch the arc. (As with Naudin's work.)

That is not correct. Dr. Deborah Chung uses layers of carbon and that without the presence of arcs even.
Naudin (who replicated her) had many layers of the material.
However, it is speculative if that phenomenon would play any role in gray´s device.

[Electrotek]

There is evidently a non-linear process involved.



Since all grids are conductively connected with each other, they share the same potential node regardless of their surface area.
It is remarkable however that the distance will be crossed at the voltages used in the circuit and that different distances occur.
The nature of this process is the true unknown part of the functionality.

When Tesla described his 'radial' Radiant Energy he said that the energy placed a charge on metal surfaces it passed through. If the same amount of radial energy goes through two grids they would have the same induced charge, but the voltages would be different due to the differing capacitive surface areas the charges occupy. THEN the potential transfers to the circuit through the grid leads. This transfer is longitudinal. I see no reason the grid potentials would equalize first since the inductive nature of the interconnecting lead(s) would introduce a time constant between two grids' discharges.

In reality, potential does propagate.

[Xenomorph]

When Tesla described his 'radial' Radiant Energy he said that the energy placed a charge on metal surfaces it passed through. If the same amount of radial energy goes through two grids they would have the same induced charge, but the voltages would be different due to the differing capacitive surface areas the charges occupy. THEN the potential transfers to the circuit through the grid leads. This transfer is longitudinal. I see no reason the grid potentials would equalize first since the inductive nature of the interconnecting lead(s) would introduce a time constant between two grids' discharges.

In reality, potential does propagate.

Classical circuit theory certainly needs an overhaul with this device.
Especially INSIDE the tube, i agree with that also in regards to longitudinal potential vortex propagation.
Interesting to brain-storm about it here.

[Jules Tresor]

@Aaron
I remember your successful 'popping' magnet experiments from the Gray type spark a few months ago but I forget where it is.
Do you remember the thread it was in ?

[Aaron]

magnet popping

@Aaron
I remember your successful 'popping' magnet experiments from the Gray type spark a few months ago but I forget where it is.
Do you remember the thread it was in ?

It's in Gray Tube Replication thread.
YouTube - aaronmurakami's Channel
In first 10 vids I think.

[Jules Tresor]

@ Aaron,
Thanks for the answer.
Your videos are great, I see you are doing a lot in Ainslie circuit, do you see it as having a great potential for energy production ?
(I didn't look at this circuit yet, that's why I am asking you

I wish you could experiment on a full time basis, especially with the knowledge and friends that you have

Thanks and good luck.

[boguslaw]

When Tesla described his 'radial' Radiant Energy he said that the energy placed a charge on metal surfaces it passed through. If the same amount of radial energy goes through two grids they would have the same induced charge, but the voltages would be different due to the differing capacitive surface areas the charges occupy. THEN the potential transfers to the circuit through the grid leads. This transfer is longitudinal. I see no reason the grid potentials would equalize first since the inductive nature of the interconnecting lead(s) would introduce a time constant between two grids' discharges.

In reality, potential does propagate.

very good idea!
or you can have insulated metal plate and connected to real ground through the load...

[Electrotek]

very good idea!
or you can have insulated metal plate and connected to real ground through the load...

In my patent (4260933) I use an insulated output plate, with a tuned high frequency input plate (rather than a vibrator). However, there is no non-classical operation if the output plate is connected to earth ground. It has to use a single wire circuit with a polar mass, such as a battery, for the virtual ground. Likewise, there is no non-classical operation with Gray's Power Conversion Tube if the grids conduct current rather than pure potential.

[SuperCaviTationIstic]

wow, looks VERY similar to Gray's
Selective frequency optical generator - Google Patent Search

[SuperCaviTationIstic]

Is this whole concept like a backwards Trigatron?

[Electrotek]

Is this whole concept like a backwards Trigatron?

A Trigatron is a type of high current switch, but my Tube produces a longitudinal electrostatic energy which doesn't have any current in the normal sense.