bedini ssg

[cikljamas]

I find TIP31C+TIP32C combo perform much better with the price of one 2N3055. The transistor has less ampere rating than 2N3055, but I never need high ampere rating because my circuit run under 2 Amp. BD313 (2SB507?) is better than 2N3055 too.

As long as I never spark connection to the charged battery, it survive. At 3V input my TIP31C+TIP32C circuit jolt me real good when I forget to increase the resistance. Three brand of 2N3055 I try can not run at 3V.

If you can get a broken computer power suply at the price of 2N3055, it contain then transistor I mention. My best is KSC5027. But TT2188 or 2SC3866 is not so bad either. Still much much better than 2N3055.

I got a lot of brand new tip 31 transistors, but I thought that 2n3055 is better
substitution for mjl21194 because all schematics refer to 2n3055 instead of
mjl21194, only one time I saw on one croatian energetic forum that one
guy advise tip 31, but I thought he wants to be greater chatolic than pope
himself, so I neglected his advise...NOw that you told me the same thing...
Thank you again, that is why this forum is, isnt it ?

Can you specifie which diodes you use instead of 4007 ?

[sucahyo]

I do my first with 2N3055 too .

Can you specifie which diodes you use instead of 4007 ?

I use FR302 / FR304 taken from broken power supply . But you should always try any diode you have with amp meter in series with the load, or volt meter in parallel with the load. Always use the actual load because different load may give different result.

[cikljamas]

I do my first with 2N3055 too .

I use FR302 / FR304 taken from broken power supply . But you should always try any diode you have with amp meter in series with the load, or volt meter in parallel with the load. Always use the actual load because different load may give different result.

By the chance I just have one broken power supply in the garage, after I
finish this post Im gonna check tip31, and those diodes if they are there,
if they were not then you should beware of me ...

NOw something seriously : Do you have OU with yours devices, or anything
like that, i mean, anything close to that and if you dont what makes you
content with yours ssgs ?

[cikljamas]

PROGRESS IS OUR MOST IMPORTANT PRODUCT...
YouTube - Jones...Tom Jones.
there are those kinds of Tom Joneses, i think i am one of them as
we just saw, but there are those kinds of Tom Joneses who realy
know how to sing like this :
YouTube - With These Hands (Live)
I would like to meet one of them...
Look this croatian concept :
http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...1&d=1279970912
Yesterday on the news was how croatian banks refused to invest in this
project, but i am not suprised, because none of croatian banks are not
any more croatians, mafia knows his job...
But there is another interesting news, croatian guy made something very
similar to Stan Mayers invention, and he said that it is Teslas idea...
This is that guy :
http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...1&d=1280090094
Sucahyo, there is no tip 31 in that broken simetry, pardon, broken power sup.

[patmac]

The transitor only need to have good Gain (Beta), TIP41C is far better than 31C (higher max amps). There is a good ones for inductances but have low Beta so your Trigger coils can not switch on. BD243C = TIP41C.

Look for transistors NPN for audio amplifiers, there is another options but I don't know if sacrify performance by putting a little 2n2222 with a E13007 as power in darlington mode, works for me but repeat I don't know if sacrifice some performance.

[cikljamas]

The transitor only need to have good Gain (Beta), TIP41C is far better than 31C (higher max amps). There is a good ones for inductances but have low Beta so your Trigger coils can not switch on. BD243C = TIP41C.

Look for transistors NPN for audio amplifiers, there is another options but I don't know if sacrify performance by putting a little 2n2222 with a E13007 as power in darlington mode, works for me but repeat I don't know if sacrifice some performance.

Thank you very much Patmac, this kind of knowledge belongs to those who
we can call real experts, I am glad and I am grateful for giving me opportunity
to learn from you and all Patmacs who cross my way (what kind of english
is that ? haha)...As soon as I saw your post I jumped on my yamaha 600
and took off to shop and bought 16 (they had 22 all together) bd243c ...
I know from other electronic projects that it would be funny (or even stupid)
if i tried with 2n2222 or something like that, darlington is darlington, and
it is not comperable at all...
Thank you again, and thank you twice, once for sucahyo and once for me,
but even once for all those who dont have enough money for mjl21194 and
didnt know what is second the best...

[cikljamas]

Someone may be surprised why im so pleased with such advices as it
is Patmac advice about BD243c...If you are one of those wonderers
look this page and see did you know all this :
Transistors
I didnt, but i will, because im going to print this page and learn this
concept, so if ssg is for learning than here we are, we are learning...
This is also pdf that we beginners should read and remember :
http://www.autoshop101.com/forms/h13.pdf

[cikljamas]

OK, i didnt learn all about transistors from pages above but i went
to alldatasheet and im confused now :

2N3055 : DC current Gain : 4.0 A
Power dissipation : 115 W
base current : 7 A

BD243C : dc current Gain : 0.3 A
power dissipation : 65 W
base current : 2 A

TIP31 : dc current gain : ?
power dissipation : 40 W
base current : 1 A

Now if all three can switch the triger coil, and we are looking for that one
which drain less power and save energy from the batterie which one of these
is going to be ?
Btw, 2n3055 and tip31 works fine with potenciometer set at 5.3 kohms - coil (860 winds),but with bd243c i must set pot. at most 1.2 kohms, otherwise
flywheel - rotor is beginning to dramaticly slow down...
am i missing something ?

[patmac]

OK, i didnt learn all about transistors from pages above but i went
to alldatasheet and im confused now :

2N3055 : DC current Gain : 4.0 A
Power dissipation : 115 W
base current : 7 A

BD243C : dc current Gain : 0.3 A
power dissipation : 65 W
base current : 2 A

TIP31 : dc current gain : ?
power dissipation : 40 W
base current : 1 A

Now if all three can switch the triger coil, and we are looking for that one
which drain less power and save energy from the batterie which one of these
is going to be ?
Btw, 2n3055 and tip31 works fine with potenciometer set at 5.3 kohms - coil (860 winds),but with bd243c i must set pot. at most 1.2 kohms, otherwise
flywheel - rotor is beginning to dramaticly slow down...
am i missing something ?

The motor produces energy to switch the transistor, if Gain Beta is very low trigger coil generates drag and the motor is inefficient so the Sweet Spot is the higher output vs lower input.

[cikljamas]

Thanks again Patmac, now i have to put together all these information,
and set them up in my mind, than im going to see what is the next
step towards OU...(jocke)...If Patmac with all his knowledge doesnt
have OU what i can expect of my ssgs...ufff, i feel like child when
someone broke his toy...in the meantime im going to sing this :
YouTube - JUDY GARLAND - Over the Rainbow - 1943 Command Performance

[cikljamas]

Sorry for this little digression but you got to see how our prime minister
speaks english, this is today top news in all croatian portals...
Dnevnik.hr - VIDEO: Kosor dočekala turiste i opet se spetljala s engleskim

[sucahyo]

.

NOw something seriously : Do you have OU with yours devices, or anything like that, i mean, anything close to that and if you dont what makes you content with yours ssgs ?

My best are 60% efficiency measured conventionally. Around 40 times better than computer fan SSG.

Sucahyo, there is no tip 31 in that broken simetry, pardon, broken power sup.

There is transistor much better than TIP31C in broken power supply. See the heat sink close to the big electrolytic capacitor, the furthest transistor. They never same. Sometime it can also be MOSFET. Read the number, search the web. The other two usually are diode.

I don't think we should trust spec for performance. If you use low power, using high power transistor might give worse result.

[cikljamas]

Well, that officer Rivieri is out of his mind, he woke me up with this
phone call, unbelieveble :
YouTube - Officer Rivieri Prank Call

Sucahyo, yes, there are two sinks in that broken p.s., when i pull
them out then i ll see the numbers and search the web, thanks...

But i ve got one question which i think is important because we
dont have OU, so could we come closer to OU if we put extra
coil to the rotor, yes i know the answer is yes, but details and
precise informations about that would be of great help...For
example, I showed in my post 24 picture of my generator but
i also explained that cop is very low, now is there some beter
way to produce extra energy from flywheel turning ???

Sucahyo, if i am not bothering you, could you attach whole
schematic of that diodes connections, i mean that i could
see whole picture with other ssg components, i can not
manage just with that partial schematic, or at least it
would be much more difficult...

The same thing is with that attachment of Patmac in post
16...It is not language barriere, it is more likely knowledge
barriere, sorry, but what good does it make if i pretend
that i understand something that i do not undestand ?

[sucahyo]

Sucahyo, if i am not bothering you, could you attach whole schematic of that diodes connections, i mean that i could
see whole picture with other ssg components, i can not manage just with that partial schematic, or at least it would be much more difficult...

I don't know much about SSG so I leave others to answer. The reason I don't draw it is because I think it would be harder to understand it.

I don't use SSG. I use my own circuit:


With around 0.5A 10V input, it charge 10V SLA with at least 0.2A. How much is yours?

I found that 1+1 > 2. I am interested to know how it add up on SSG .

[cikljamas]

I don't know much about SSG so I leave others to answer. The reason I don't draw it is because I think it would be harder to understand it.

I don't use SSG. I use my own circuit:


With around 0.5A 10V input, it charge 10V SLA with at least 0.2A. How much is yours?

I found that 1+1 > 2. I am interested to know how it add up on SSG .

The reason you dont draw it is because you think it would be harder to undertand it, am i stupid blonde or that is another way to say that :
it would be easyer to understand it if you do not drew it ? But even
now that you drew this part i do not understand much, but never mind...

I dont know how much is mine, it was that issue which we start to
discuss when i was talking about 1.6 A which is not able to charge
batterie which is in the same time drawing 0.8 A...Than you said it is
about diodes, etc...So, where we are now, at the begining ? But,
dont worry, no reason for rush, we ll figure out this stuf by the time...

As would our prime minister say, day after today im going to visit
Adriatic sea, maybe i ll meet there these guys :
YouTube - One Flew Over The Cuckoos Nest - Gone Fishing