bedini ssg

[sucahyo]

I dont know how much is mine, it was that issue which we start to discuss when i was talking about 1.6 A which is not able to charge batterie which is in the same time drawing 0.8 A

I am interested to know the charging current of your SSG. 1.6A and 0.8A is input current.

Connect it simple. Source battery to SSG to charged battery. Measure how many amp and volt at source battery, and how many amp and volt at charged battery. See if your is more than 40% or not.

It is very important to know your circuit efficiency.


I don't draw it completely because I am not sure if I can make clear distinction between joint and passing over with the application that I have. I can not use a big picture because I use print screen to get it. I have to cramp it down.

What previous picture means is you build four of that. Connect it all to the same source battery. The first circuit radiant output is connected to R1, second circuit to R2, and so on.

With only one, the efficiency is around 40%.

Don't use any circuit bellow because the connection is wrong!

As an example, here is the version with two:


With three (one is another circuit though)

[sucahyo]

I edit previous post with picture.

Make sure you measure input vs output conventionally first.

[cikljamas]

I am interested to know the charging current of your SSG. 1.6A and 0.8A is input current.

Connect it simple. Source battery to SSG to charged battery. Measure how many amp and volt at source battery, and how many amp and volt at charged battery. See if your is more than 40% or not.

It is very important to know your circuit efficiency.


I don't draw it completely because I am not sure if I can make clear distinction between joint and passing over with the application that I have. I can not use a big picture because I use print screen to get it. I have to cramp it down.

What previous picture means is you build four of that. Connect it all to the same source battery. The first circuit radiant output is connected to R1, second circuit to R2, and so on.

With only one, the efficiency is around 40%.

Well, lets try to clarify this step by step :
1. In post 44 there is schematic with three unknown points :
- what is R1. R2. R3, radiant outputs i suppose ?
- if these (R1.R2.R3) are radiant outputs where do you connect them ?
I understand bridge rectifiers (star, delta), but this is strange to me...
- what is that coil in the left upper corner ?

2. How to put together this schematic from post 44 and schematic
from the post 28 ?

One guy that sails magnets always repeat to me that i have to provide
wattmeter, hm, i have 4 multimeters, but i still didnt provide wattmeter...
In post 12 i wrote this :

Few days ago I put my two 4 coil ssgs, each was connected
to different batterie, each of that two 4 coil ssgs drained
0.8 A, and each gave about the same value : also 0.8 A...

Now, I directed both gains from both 4 coil ssgs to just one
batterie, and the result is that I could not achive charging
of that batterie which took all of the ennergie which was
at least 1.6 A...

The questin is this : If something lose 0.8 A, and in the
same time gain double 1.6 A, how come we do not have
charging in it ?

I measured each coil of 8 (two 4 coil ssgs), and average
consumption of energy for these coils was 0.2 A...It means
that one 4 coil ssg waste 0.8 A, how i measured ?...Ampermeter
in series with positive source of primar batterie and power coil...
Output i measured that i put one side of multimetar on the
positive side of delta bridge rectifier, and other side of multimetar
on the negative side of delta bridge rectifier, and nevertheless
if that was trifiar or quadrifilar or even qintafilar coil output was
preaty much the same about 0.9, but i wrote that it was 0.8 to
be shure...
Yes, there was two batteries and both was primar batteries
but one of them in wich i directed all 8 bridge rectifiers
was charging batterie too...

[cikljamas]

Aha, yes, these R1.2.3...are outputs, ok, i solved this, and i think
that i am very close to connect schematics from posts 28 and 44,
but i am not shure where to connect negative pole of source batterie
if i am looking at picture from post 28, and if i am looking at picture
from post 44 then i dont know how to connect to one source batterie
more this scematics at the same time as you suggested me...

[sucahyo]

Connect you charger using usual configuration:


Use 4 meter. Two as ampmeter, another two as voltmeter.

Notice the label. The output current is current that charging the charged battery. You connect it by putting the meter in series with the battery.

Output i measured that i put one side of multimetar on the positive side of delta bridge rectifier, and other side of multimetar on the negative side of delta bridge rectifier

That is only valid for measuring voltage. To measure current, one side on positive of rectifier, other side to battery positive. I am guessing the battery charging current to around 0.04A each coil.



Here my circuit all in one, click the image for bigger picture:



the right circuit all use same source battery.

To implement it to your 8 coil SSG, you make it up to R8. Each R then connected to each coil end connected to transistor.

[cikljamas]

Thanks, Sucahyo ! Now we have your whole circuit ! I feel like our
enterprise succedeed except one little step for man, and one big
step for humankind, and that is where to transistor ? to the coil
i supose to power coil instead of positive of the primary battery ?

That is only valid for measuring voltage. To measure current, one side on positive of rectifier, other side to battery positive. I am guessing the battery charging current to around 0.04A each coil.

Yeah, you should be right, and I should be shamed...
Now i have to go to adriatic, but when i come back we shall continue our
frienship, i hope...
Wish me to have a good trip...
Stay well !
YouTube - Once upon a time C.Cardinale :"I hope you come back someday"

[sucahyo]

Yes, to each coil.

Good luck .

[kcarring]

COP vs. Efficiency

I am curious if you guys are following the prescribed test procedures for the SSG project? What conventions/parameters for your test are you using?

These ones:
John Bedini Monopole Mechanical Oscillator Simplified School Girl SSG Presentation
John Bedini Simplified School Girl basic plans

Are there other pages?

I am interested in seeing what my build will produce.

In reading some of this, I think I would like to add this 2c for what it may be worth (possibly nothing!)

John is an amazingly generous individual for letting us have such involvement and access to his technology. It's worth noting, that: for an individual, like myself, I'd probably never get anywhere at all, with any of this, if I did not have a spot to start...

One thing I'd also like to say is that, from my understanding, efficiency is not a great concern here, and the COP potential is ambiguous at best.

I think, that is a very generous condition to let ourselves judge the SSG's COP based on the source battery.

In my case I run a lot of solar out RV'ing and in my cabin.

In "the real world" of alternative energy, you don't have a plug in the wall.

So given that:

1. To be able to judge the SSG circuit against the number of coulombs that came out of the source battery is more than fair, because:

a. rarely is the case you'd ever charge a 12v battery, with a 12v battery, and if you did you'd need DC-DC transformation (more loss?) and a dead source battery before you saw full charge?

It would almost be more fair to compare your COP to another known way, and it's complete power consumption requirement whilst charging the 12v battery. For example if you get COP=.8 against the known source coulombs, that still does not mean you can magically make X number of coulombs transfer across from one battery to another... and all the while, have your only other charger (say solar) doing work simultaneously on another bank... or the source itself...

in the case of the solar array hitting the source battery and thus the SSG... you are ahead of the game BIG time... because if you were to hook the small panel (outputting say 4-5a) and try to brute force charge a medium size bank, you'd get nowhere quick. Furthermore you are even free to dedicate the panels to realtime, and have the SSG run on an auxillary bank. This is significant because if your array involves 24v or 48v "re-arrangements" from time to time (powertool use for example) - your better off to get a group of batteries up to near full voltage, quickly, than dedicate solar to one or two bats.

While this method of COP is sensible and mathematically - it is generous, because it assumes that there might be another solution.

Add to that the addition of free fans while camping... and desulphation, possible battery amp-hour extension...

That's the best dang $100 on a project that any off-grid / dry camper ever spent!

Thank you John Bedini!

[FRC]

transistors

Does anyone know if substituting a 2n3442 or 2n3773 instead of a 2n3055
would be okay in a basic Bedini SSG circuit. I know the MJL21194 is supposed
to be better, but would the other two be better than the 2n3055 ?


FRC

[sucahyo]

Does anyone know if substituting a 2n3442 or 2n3773 instead of a 2n3055 would be okay in a basic Bedini SSG circuit. I know the MJL21194 is supposed
to be better, but would the other two be better than the 2n3055 ?

Sometimes we can not trust specification. But usually a newer transistor model is better than old model.

But the benefit can be unpredicatable.