r-charge / bedini - solar power charger

[John_K]

Does anyone mind if I personally quote or copy the posts here as testimonials,
reviews, experiences, etc... with the chargers?

Thanks!

Hi Aaron,

You can use anything that I have posted in the public domain as quotes or testimonials, including posts on the Tesla Solar Power Amplifiers.



John K.

[Aaron]

Thank you!

Thanks John and to few others that gave me positive feedback through PM's.
And I'm very much appreciative of the comments about appreciating that I
actually ask for permission. I just think it is the right thing to do.

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[abb8279]

Ok so nobody is going to try using a battery to power the solar amplifier on the input? Are you worried about the battery giving too many amps? How many amps can the solar amplifier handle? Can you pick a 12 volt battery that only puts out as many amps as the solar amplifier can handle? There has to be a way to test this thing and see what it can really do.

If the batteries give to many amps can you rig up some diodes to restrict the suppy of amps?

C'mon sombody has to try testing this thing!

[Aaron]

Tesla Solar Charger

Abb,

You can put the correct amount of resistance in series with the battery
to limit the current draw - that is a pretty standard way of doing it.

Peter is testing the Tesla Solar Charger (10 amp one I think) on some
golf cart batts and the input is rectified output from a variac - 36v
max is the limit on the input I think - don't quote me on that. Safer
to stay at 24 or below I think.

[john_g]

Dealerships

Thanks John and to few others that gave me positive feedback through PM's.
And I'm very much appreciative of the comments about appreciating that I
actually ask for permission. I just think it is the right thing to do.

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Hi Aaron

Do you have any details on dealerships (I’m in the UK) for either the solar charger or the new product coming?

Kind regards

John

[Mark]

Ya, and when are we going to get some more info on this new product!

[ashtweth]

Aaron ill have 4-5 sulfated batteries back and tested soon for you and John K to post, can put what ever affiliation on it you wish my friends .

So far this thing has been working non stop and has revived 2 batteries, average is 2-3 days to bring them back in full sun. unbelievable charger, i even negatively charged the deep cycle battery which got hammered with the sun light for years. This charger should be on all lead acid batteries in the world, no doubt about it. Would love to try super caps ASAP

Ash

[3MTAE]

ash..and others.

Im really really interested in hearing HOW you intend to create a safe place for John to release his products in the way we all think he can.

This is legitimate questions here.. Im not trying to bash John or any of this.. I've caught , what I think, is a big discrepancy in what is going on.

I hear ya.. john can't do it alone.. john needs people.. Well.. I volunteer. Tell me how to make.. I will Ship them. I don't care..my life can be threatened.. I will still ship them..

Just like mark said.

I would of done, what I think, Bedini should of done.. I would of let all the orders pile up..and Ship out 1000's.. or whatever there was.. out all at once.. And then maybe hide if I was scared.. perhaps I would go to your farm.. or maybe not.. I might not because I have no clue at all what you mean when you say things like WE need to help john.. I don't get it. What can you offer him..or what are you trying to offer him exactly?

It sounds like you want the world to change first and then john can release his product? I just don't see how it's ever gonna be easy. I would just do it.

St. Nike.. JUST DO IT. lol

So.. if someone could address the obvious.. I would be thrilled.. Why didn't John release 1000's all at once ? "tuned up" .. is there reasons why that oppurtunity didn't transpire that you know of? AND.. what exactly are we waiting for.. what is it you are wanting to help and how?

If this is offensive.. I don't mean it that way.. It's jus that a big oppurtunity was missed as far as i can see and suddenly the senior members here are "rallying" the troops behind all this for reasons I don't quite understand yet.

Don't mean to put you or anyone on the spot to be spokesman or anything.. but you guys do pull all the weight around here so perhaps someone could explain their ideas concerning what I just posted about here.

much respect

[SeaMonkey]

Im really really interested in hearing HOW you intend to create a safe place for John to release his products in the way we all think he can.

This is legitimate questions here.. Im not trying to bash John or any of this.. I've caught , what I think, is a big discrepancy in what is going on.
...

If this is offensive.. I don't mean it that way.. It's jus that a big opportunity was missed as far as i can see and suddenly the senior members here are "rallying" the troops behind all this for reasons I don't quite understand yet.

Don't mean to put you or anyone on the spot to be spokesman or anything.. but you guys do pull all the weight around here so perhaps someone could explain their ideas concerning what I just posted about here.

much respect

There is one very troubling detail in all of this:

The pricing of the various units.

Is there some reason that they must be so expensive?

The "common people" who could most benefit from
such devices are, for the time being, excluded by the
high cost.

Or, is there some plan to make the "plans" available
for the World?

In truth, the concepts employed in the device are
very easy to duplicate. Many who have given it
thought have already figured it out and are making
their own devices.

Now, that is a plan!

[John_K]

There is one very troubling detail in all of this:

The pricing of the various units.

Is there some reason that they must be so expensive?

The "common people" who could most benefit from
such devices are, for the time being, excluded by the
high cost.

Or, is there some plan to make the "plans" available
for the World?

In truth, the concepts employed in the device are
very easy to duplicate. Many who have given it
thought have already figured it out and are making
their own devices.

Now, that is a plan!

C'mon Seamonkey, you gotta be kidding?

Everyone knows that you pay a premium when any new product is released. Think back to when mobile phones were just released, they were ludicrously expensive.. now they just about give them away.

The premium is to cover the cost of R&D and manufacturing setup costs. Whilst R&D is happening the inventor is investing a lot of money into the product and not getting anything back.

In any case the price of the solar chargers are comparable to other high performance solar charge controllers that are already on the market AND they do a lot more than a conventional unit. You're welcome to come to my shed and I'll give you a demo if you don't believe me.

There are no plans to release the "plans" in the same way Apple has no plans to release it's proprietary information for the iPhone.

The concepts may be easy enough to duplicate, but many people do not have the skills or resources to do it. I'm sure an iPhone does not cost $700 to build, but I don't have the time, money, skills or knowledge to build one so like most people I'm happy to fork out $700 for someone else to do that all for me.

The other consideration is the supply and demand model. Regardless of the cost to build a device, if people are happy to pay the price that advertised to purchase one then that price will remain high. If the demand is high enough, the seller has an opportunity to recoup the above mentioned costs.

On the other hand, you have a choice. If you don't like it, don't buy it. If you like it but don't want to pay the price - like any other product on the market - wait until the price comes down, or build your own if you can.



John K.

[SeaMonkey]

The "Bedini Line" has a history of rather high prices.

It's a Brand Name and perhaps Quality that seems
to demand a sticker price that appeals to the
well to do.

With this particular device the R&D outlay can't
have been exhorbitant.

Yes, those with Wisdom will always use discernment
and make a choice that avoids excessive expense.

There is much satisfaction in the fruits of one's own
labors.

[Aaron]

EnergenX chargers

The "Bedini Line" has a history of rather high prices.

It's a Brand Name and perhaps Quality that seems
to demand a sticker price that appeals to the
well to do.

With this particular device the R&D outlay can't
have been exhorbitant.

Yes, those with Wisdom will always use discernment
and make a choice that avoids excessive expense.

There is much satisfaction in the fruits of one's own
labors.

SeaMonkey,

Please understand that coming to this point where the chargers
are now was not an overnight task. It was been a PROCESS
of R & D nonstop for years. It was about 7 years ago - around -
when Peter was working with John doing all those tests, etc...
before there was a unit even available to the public.

Unless you were right here actually watching the progress over
all that time, I understand it would be difficult to appreciate what
it really takes in terms of time, effort and a LOT of money to
accomplish something like this. And that is a LOT of overhead
month after month for years.

And that doesn't include the headache of what it takes to simply
have the company organized as a corporation, take it public,
keep up on all the filings and politics involved - it's pretty ridiculous.

Every unit is HAND built and tested right here in the USA. I think
it is very special to see a company that isn't interested in cutting
costs and outsourcing the assembly to China for example. You
really do get what you pay for.

Being wise with expenses is one thing but whenever it sacrifices
QUALITY, that isn't going to happen with the Bedini's.

These chargers are not a household name in the present moment and
they're going to cost more than something at Walmart.

There is something called "economy of scale" - basically costs come down
when you do something bigger/more. If the auto manufacturers were building
cars in much smaller quantities at a time than they do now, the average family
car could cost more than the average family home.

As you scale up production, the cost per unit drops because you get
better wholesale bulk discounts on items, etc... and the company can
afford to drop the retail price and make it up in volume.

One of the best non-commerical applications of this technology is for
private individuals that have solar homes. And if someone has the money
to buy solar cells, batteries, etc... they're going to be spending money
anyway for a charge controller - and as John K. mentions the Bedini
charger for this application is already in the price arena that the
other common controllers are going for so for that application for
example, it is already priced right - and the long term benefits of not having
to replace the battery banks as often or if ever is all a smart homeowner
needs to see on the bottom line for it to be a no-brainer decision to get
one.

As far as making the "plans" available. These particular switching circuits
are proprietary. But if it is based on the Tesla Switch models, then John
actually gave the answers in the Tesla Switch thread here in the forum
as to what the Tesla Switch is really about.

Even without the Tesla Switch variation, there are many variations of
Bedini's circuits that many people have successfully built for rejuvenating
and charging batteries, keeping them out of the landfill, etc... so those
"plans" are actually all over the place. It doesn't have to be the Tesla
Switch to accomplish this.

And it doesn't matter if the system is over 1.0 cop or not, the benefits
received are priceless.

The EnergenX chargers are quite literally setting the standard for what
battery chargers are supposed to do. We're still in the "early adapters"
phase of this technology as were the first people that bought
refrigerators when most people thought they were pointless or too
expensive.

It is just a matter of time until these chargers are sold in volumes that
can justify reducing the prices substantially. And again, if you're looking
for plans you're probably willing to build them yourself and there are many
variations of Bedini's circuits that will accomplish in a battery just what
you want.

[ashtweth]

Im really really interested in hearing HOW you intend to create a safe place for John to release his products in the way we all think he can.

This is legitimate questions here.. Im not trying to bash John or any of this.. I've caught , what I think, is a big discrepancy in what is going on.

I hear ya.. john can't do it alone.. john needs people.. Well.. I volunteer. Tell me how to make.. I will Ship them. I don't care..my life can be threatened.. I will still ship them..

Just like mark said.

I would of done, what I think, Bedini should of done.. I would of let all the orders pile up..and Ship out 1000's.. or whatever there was.. out all at once.. And then maybe hide if I was scared.. perhaps I would go to your farm.. or maybe not.. I might not because I have no clue at all what you mean when you say things like WE need to help john.. I don't get it. What can you offer him..or what are you trying to offer him exactly?

It sounds like you want the world to change first and then john can release his product? I just don't see how it's ever gonna be easy. I would just do it.

St. Nike.. JUST DO IT. lol

So.. if someone could address the obvious.. I would be thrilled.. Why didn't John release 1000's all at once ? "tuned up" .. is there reasons why that oppurtunity didn't transpire that you know of? AND.. what exactly are we waiting for.. what is it you are wanting to help and how?

If this is offensive.. I don't mean it that way.. It's jus that a big oppurtunity was missed as far as i can see and suddenly the senior members here are "rallying" the troops behind all this for reasons I don't quite understand yet.

Don't mean to put you or anyone on the spot to be spokesman or anything.. but you guys do pull all the weight around here so perhaps someone could explain their ideas concerning what I just posted about here.

much respect

Nike is a sweat shop factory which WILL be replaced by HEMP and create renewable industry and self sufficiency for 50, 000 products, NIKE is using toxic material that consume the habitat, plus segregated and subjected humans for cheap labor so one "class" can life a certian TOXIC lifestyle whilst they subjugate others. Nike "just do it". advertising is tweaking your mind.

Now that we are on the REALITY PAGE.

In an ideal world, maybe, but in the real world, you will have to watch our production on Steorn to see the intricate details on how you can help and what we propose with our research center in the public eye. I have met Joe as in the joe cell and many other inventors, they are all scared for a very good reason.

Me, i am not scared as i know that when our first demos are done, safe conditions through our research center will encourage the truth in Alt medicine and much more will come out, a home for all devices past and present to be studied and policed. More details will be in our production this year.

mean time i suggest you support Aaron, John K and JB, after all one day you might be able to turn it up.

Ash

[SeaMonkey]

SeaMonkey,

...

It is just a matter of time until these chargers are sold in volumes that
can justify reducing the prices substantially. And again, if you're looking
for plans you're probably willing to build them yourself and there are many
variations of Bedini's circuits that will accomplish in a battery just what
you want.

I am aware that John is a businessman, and
that he's learned the "skills" of marketing very
well.

In truth, the concept which is incorporated into
the device is well established and not new. The
process of accumulating "charge" then dumping
it as a high current "pulse" into the lead acid
battery has been known to be beneficial for quite
some many years. That this technique is particularly
well suited to the PhotoVoltaic Solar Array to maximize
its efficiency over its range of output conditions is
also well established.

So no, I'm not looking for plans. They've already been
developed by a good many of us in prior years.

My concerns have to do with "commercialism" and
the possibility of "exploitation for gain." I've always
objected to unnecessarily high prices for anything.

Hopefully my concerns are unfounded...

[mklimesh]

In truth, the concept which is incorporated into
the device is well established and not new. The
process of accumulating "charge" then dumping
it as a high current "pulse" into the lead acid
battery has been known to be beneficial for quite
some many years.

SeaMonkey,

Your statement shows you haven't put a scope on John's new charger(+_+)

Mike Klimesh