r-charge / bedini - solar power charger

[Evolvealready]

I'm sorry, if anyone is foolish enough to pay for anything from a laughingly obvious scammer like Bedini, I have to shake my head in disbelief.
Why do you think they call it "Oh YOU!"

[Michelinho]

Sorry ashtweth but I don't get it either...

Hi Vissie i did that test and filmed it for all, i was going make a public statement in our new Steorn production and in here on how we can help Rick and John. May as well be now.

John said on PES he dare not turn it up, he has no security. Before i go on.

THE CHARGER IS WORTH EVERY PENNY. Ill still be using it for Demos. And people need to still get this charger FOR A VERY IMPORTANT REASON. As John stated he "dare not turn it up" and there is a reason he took his OU video's of the solar amplifier down.

They have got to John before. John and Rick need help, they need secure condition's before they can give us what the universe has provided. I am here not to judge John or Rick but HELP them. This is why as soon as that little orbo is ready (getting close now) an organization like Panacea is needed to substantiate the phenomenon of FREE energy to consensus reality not just in Tesla tech type conferences.(they do help)

Let the cat out of the bag with all cases AND POTENTIAL, (it AIN'T getting back in once out) and therefore provide HELP to Rick and John (SAFE conditions) so they can get the kudos they deserve for making an OVER UNITY SOLAR AMPLIFIER. Vissie we both know John has had it since 1980.

We need secure conditions for disclosure, even the corporate environment (not just social reform) and PUBLIC (not conferences only) education about these systems and their capacity and the need for security into the release of them.

Our Tests test confirm , John had to tune it down, he said that already on Peswiki, No surprises there. So how do we help, its still a great one to one charger, unique, John Koorn has been very supportive of the non profit org a perfect gentleman and provided help and support with the switch so we can do our environmental projects.

We need to help all inventors, John took his Tesla switch video's down and stated draw your own conclusions about the I/O. Rick would of wanted us all to have it, no doubt in my mind.

When people buy the switch, they can learn about what it can do if they read about it in here, the Panacea page or on Peswiki
John Bedini

The R- Charge guys cant do this on their own. We should not expect them too. John K, JIM, VISSIE are all working on Jim's open source 10 coiler which could be the one to let the cat out of the bag.

We need to keep going. As ANY ONE OF THEM, can be used with a presentation of our caliber to justify secure safe conditions, whether you want the NON PROFIT Panacea research center for this, or ANY alternative it doesn't matter what matter's is the safe conditions can only come from building consumer awareness and demand WITH A VALIDATED Free energy principle. A replicated application not meters.

Once that happens (maybe the Orbo will be the first, not by Stoern by developers) then We can HELP Rick and John better.

If people dont use their switch we are going to be further behind. Either way ill be talking about ALL the suppression and how to erect secure conditions in the public eye with our public demos(Steron production have been filming for weeks), a little orbo could do all this.

I am sorry to give every one the bad news that the solar amplifier is tuned down (and we can't turn it back up) but we can help and i will say COUNT ON IT. Will continue filming the Steorn production and will have all these cases and a way to help.

Don't forget that the switch if SECURE is the cheapest power to weight ratio and self contained unit, its small and powerful so we need to TURN IT BACK UP.

Gotta stick together bottom line. Sad day for Rick and John, they deserve better! I am down to help. Please use the switch and tell people what it can do and how we can help.

For Rick /John.

Thanks
Ash

I know I won't make friends with the following but here goes anyway.

You say that everyone should buy a very expensive Bedini Solar Amplifier, my solar charge controller is a Xantrex C60 that does what it is suppose to do and cost me $175CDN with the LCD display, and you tell us it doesn't do what it is suppose to do and there is no way to tune it up.

That doesn't make sense, or it makes as much sense as buying a 10 coiler for $4,500US that doesn't do what the original is suppose to do. It's like buying a Ferrari with a Lada power train, looks nice in the driveway but... I hope there are better reasons out there to buy that solar amplifier than faith.

Take care,

Michel

[John_K]

@3MTAE, Evolvealready & Michelinho,

I have a 10A Tesla Solar Power Amplifier and it works great. It does everything it is claimed to do, which is (from the website):

Some of the features of the Tesla Solar Power Amplifier are:

1. Replaces or eliminates the need for a conventional charge controller
2. Increases the power output from your solar panel installation
3. Allows limited space solar panel installations to experience greater power production.
4. Produces power during in overcast skies and low levels of ambient light.
5. Batteries are kept in an optimal state extending their useful life.
6. The Amp Hour capacity of your battery bank will be increased.

Which of the above is yours not doing?

No one has ever claimed that what was brought to market was going to be an "OU" device. John said in the videos that they were "developing" the product, what was seen in the videos was a prototype.

Let me also ask, if you did have an "OU" device how would you bring it to market? Would you be able to handle all the attention, politics and potential repercussions if you could bring it to market? Remember, John and Rick do this for a living - to put a meal on the table and pay the bills and put the kids through college.

The Tesla Solar Power Amplifier does exactly what it is claimed to do. No one is forcing anyone to buy one of they don't want to. From my experience, if you buy one you will be happy with it. If you're not happy with it, tell the people you bought it from (like any other product you would buy) and see what they can do about it.

I know people that have returned iPhones because they were not happy with it, but that does not mean it is not a good product. Millions of people are happy with them.



John K.

[ashtweth]

Hi 3MTAE, Evolvealready & Michelinho

In the real world, the charger is still the only thing that can do what it can do, you would not charge your lead acid batteries from solar any other way. And its some thing we can build on, John gave us the proof and now we can use it to make a case.

In all respect, John already said he dare not turn it up, so what can we expect?, Certainly not John to overcome what no other inventor in history has BY HIMSELF, Certainly not just like that? It is obvious that John does not intend to have oil companies threaten his life and has to be conservative.

We know what the switch does, the threat of his life means a lot more in reality, so i ask that you guys think about this. There are ways we can help a situation, finding answers is the only way we must not vent frustration as this will mean we are going to get a lot more frustration out of life with this attitude.

John K is right, it is exactly what John said it was, "i dare not turn it up" he said that, john Bedini did not say here is an over unity switch for the public, he said draw your own conclusions which is still very risky if you ask me but he did it.. He can only do what he can do ALONE, its up to US as a community to make the best of it, help and we can do more.

The web site states every thing it can do. Mean time good people like John K and JIM and myself will work to find ways to help. I hope you guys do too, AT THE VERY LEAST tell people about the switch and what it can do and HAS done.

Edit -BTW BOTH of you have Posts: 2 , hope your IP is not BP , i do keep a watch on things like that The OU forum.com is riddled with these people that come from no where.

Ash

[jehdds]

Quick Question/Concept to ponder?: Regarding the following Quote:

"John K is right, it is exactly what John said it was, "i dare not turn it up" he said that, john Bedini did not say here is an over unity switch for the public, he said draw your own conclusions which is still very risky if you ask me but he did it.. He can only do what he can do ALONE, its up to US as a community to make the best of it, help and we can do more."

Is it possible, plausible, theoretically feasible to do what John B. has eluded to and shown what the prototype can do, but at this point cannot or will not, due to extraneous advise of others? Is the last part of the quote:
" Its up to US as a community to make the best of "it", help and we can do more."

Perhaps Is this a read between the line concept? As with any fine product, any manufacturer would like it to be the best. Perhaps it can be but it is up to the clients to make it better ( either by input back to the manufacturer and wait, or perhaps by thinking on their own how to make it better. The question is what path is best?

Just a thought.

Very Best Regards
Jim

[Michelinho]

Hi John_K and ash,

Some of the features of the Tesla Solar Power Amplifier are:

1. Replaces or eliminates the need for a conventional charge controller
2. Increases the power output from your solar panel installation
3. Allows limited space solar panel installations to experience greater power production.
4. Produces power during in overcast skies and low levels of ambient light.
5. Batteries are kept in an optimal state extending their useful life.
6. The Amp Hour capacity of your battery bank will be increased.

Which of the above is yours not doing?

So far mine does what it is advertised to do and very well after 2 years of use. I expect my batteries to outlast me since they are Nickel Iron. Mine can also control a windmill (divert to a load when batteries are full), start a generator when the batteries are low and shut it down when they are full, show battery temp and can be used with 12V or 24V solar panels/windmill and battery setup. Very nice little unit for the price. Which of those yours doesn't do?

How long have you been using yours? 5 years, 10 years or just a few weeks?

I never said it wasn't a good solar charge controller but for 10X the price, I expect WAY more than a normal product.

Let me also ask, if you did have an "OU" device how would you bring it to market?

Through Open Source.

Do you really believe that John has to sell those to make a living?

Ash, I studied in business administration and included were a few course in advertising and "i dare not turn it up" reminds me of the infomercials on TV but I will watch the Panacea's video(s) of a unit in action and see if it really does what it is advertised to do.

A side by side comparison of a conventional unit and a Solar Power Amplifier?

Take care,

Michel

[Angelinabv]

Hi,

For the cost of them, not to mention the lead time, I'll stick with the good ole' reliable Xantrex controllers for 147.00 for 60 amp use ( C60). I've looked at the MPPT controllers which are quite nice in how they work but I doubt you'll ever see a payback from using them. The few watts you loose in conventional controllers far exceeds the cost of recovering those small losses.

Another nice feature of the Xantrex controllers is they can be used for wind as well as solar as they can be configured for a basic controller (solar), diversion controller(wind) and a load controller which allows you to use a load based on battery voltage. Inexpensive and versitile.

Technical Consulting Services

[Mark]

John stated that "I dare not turn it up", why not? The last I heard all solar amp. were sold out, all of them! Why not just turn them up? I don't know how many were being built while the orders pilled up waiting for their release, but that would have been the perfect opportunity to send out a bunch of units into the hands of the public that were in fact over unity. Send them out with an exposed circuit board so anyone that bought one could see how they were built. Once a 1,000 of these units were in the public what could be done about it then? So what if some people could replicate them. I'd still buy one just like I'm sure most people would. The cat would be out of the bag. A real gift to humanity. I don't want to say anything negative about John or his products but things just don't add up to me.

Mark

[theremart]

RE: controller

Hi,

For the cost of them, not to mention the lead time, I'll stick with the good ole' reliable Xantrex controllers for 147.00 for 60 amp use ( C60). I've looked at the MPPT controllers which are quite nice in how they work but I doubt you'll ever see a payback from using them. The few watts you loose in conventional controllers far exceeds the cost of recovering those small losses.

Another nice feature of the Xantrex controllers is they can be used for wind as well as solar as they can be configured for a basic controller (solar), diversion controller(wind) and a load controller which allows you to use a load based on battery voltage. Inexpensive and versitile.

Technical Consulting Services

Hi,

Where do you get that price on one, Xantrex is a solid brand like outback, I myself decided to go with a Morningstar controller with cheap solar panels the price has come down. The Morningstar works great as it gives full charge till it is full then it gives spiked charge to the batteries, has been working great for me.

I am still waiting for someone to show amps in amps out with the Bedini chargers. I know what the video that Bedini showed, but that was taken down, I take it that is not what the ones shipped do?

Looking forward to seeing the results from Aarons test and others who have bought them, and to see them per model, seems there are 3 different models out.

It would be interesting to do side by side comparison of controllers.

[Farmhand]

Hi all, I see a lot of people are wanting overunity, I gotta say I don't understand the hoopla with the overunity, it's not that I don't believe it exists I just don't see it as important to a sustainable and clean future. If the switch is more efficient than conventional controllers, thats good enough for me.

Until about 8 months ago I didn't even know a battery could be saved or improved by Bedini tech, over the last few months I have been able to save a few and improve many batteries with my home made devices, so I can only imagine how effective the one's are that are made by the experts. I don't have a Tesla Power amp but I am going to get one.

Solar panels are expensive so I don't have many but the power they produce once paid for, is free, and what can be done with that power is amazing and yet there is no overunity, it is not needed, for me i'll go straight for the free stuff.

The look on a friends face when you have fixed their battery for free is priceless. I just did a quick tally and in the last two months I have recovered four cordless drill batteries, two 7ah gell cells (electric fence) a 9ah gell cell (quadbike), my own car battery (over 10 years old) and my brothers boat battery (new but left drained and not chargeable by conventional charger).

I would like to see a side by side comparison of the TPA and a regular charge controller, to gauge the difference of the panel to battery efficiency.

Regards
Andrew

[mklimesh]

Tesla Solar Power Amplifier

Hi All

I have 2 of the Tesla Solar Power Amplifiers, a 10amp and a 20amp one. At the moment the 20amp one is hooked to 2 120watt panels charging one of my forklift banks. Amp meter in shows aprox 3.5 amps, output shows aprox 10.3 amps (about 3 to 1).
When I had the 20amp one hooked up to a 24volt switching supply the output to input was about 10 to 1 (+_+)

The 20amp one has been running for about 2.5 months now and has charged 4 different forklift battery banks (biggest battery bank is 1600 lbs), a couple of banks of L-16s and about 10 others.

In my opinion these chargers do better than the videos showed and I'm glad I bought them.

Mike Klimesh

[SeaMonkey]

Hi All

I have 2 of the Tesla Solar Power Amplifiers, a 10amp and a 20amp one. At the moment the 20amp one is hooked to 2 120watt panels charging one of my forklift banks. Amp meter in shows aprox 3.5 amps, output shows aprox 10.3 amps (about 3 to 1).
When I had the 20amp one hooked up to a 24volt switching supply the output to input was about 10 to 1 (+_+)

The 20amp one has been running for about 2.5 months now and has charged 4 different forklift battery banks (biggest battery bank is 1600 lbs), a couple of banks of L-16s and about 10 others.

In my opinion these chargers do better than the videos showed and I'm glad I bought them.

Mike Klimesh

Are you able to measure the voltages associated with
the input and output in order to do a power transfer
efficiency calculation?

Is the output pulsating or continuous?

[theremart]

Results.

Hi All

I have 2 of the Tesla Solar Power Amplifiers, a 10amp and a 20amp one. At the moment the 20amp one is hooked to 2 120watt panels charging one of my forklift banks. Amp meter in shows aprox 3.5 amps, output shows aprox 10.3 amps (about 3 to 1).
When I had the 20amp one hooked up to a 24volt switching supply the output to input was about 10 to 1 (+_+)

The 20amp one has been running for about 2.5 months now and has charged 4 different forklift battery banks (biggest battery bank is 1600 lbs), a couple of banks of L-16s and about 10 others.

In my opinion these chargers do better than the videos showed and I'm glad I bought them.

Mike Klimesh

Impressive results, but...

can you give us the watts in watts out...

What is the voltage going into the charger, and what is the voltage of the batteries.

Thanks

I have considered Forklift batteries, but they are soo HEAVY :-) I understand that they last a very very long time but are a real bear if you have a cell go bad.

Mart

[Mark]

Hi Theremart

I think it will be hard to give watts out on the solar amp due to the fact that it is a pulse charge.

I just built a small scale version which puts out a 3-4 amp pulse at around 25 volts. The pulses are slow tho, only 15 per minute. I have tried quicker pulses with lower amps and voltage but that doesn't seem to work as well as using a straight oscillator into a battery. I'm hoping that the higher amp higher voltage pulses will work better. The 3-4 amp pulses works great on a motor cycle battery, I'm currently testing it on an automotive battery.

[Aaron]

quoting you?

Does anyone mind if I personally quote or copy the posts here as testimonials,
reviews, experiences, etc... with the chargers?

Thanks!