r-charge / bedini - solar power charger

[Farmhand]

How on earth would you get an LED to power itself. A capacitor, a light sensitive switch and some wire would be needed. I haven't tried it but I have read that an led can output power. If that is true it could gather power part time and use it part time.

Though if anything other than the led is used why not just use a solar cell and a battery then it could go 24/7 for a while at least.

It astounds me how more people don't take advantage of the free energy around them, a rainwater tank is a free energy device if it is 10 feet off the ground, the rain falls on the roof runs into the tank where it retains potential to do work for free. However trying to make the water do more work than the potential it retains is more bother than it is worth. Most people just use the ratained potential to push the water through a pipe and out the tap, but a micro hydro could be placed in line to generate electricity. Would that be OU enough for you guys.

Nature is where the real energy is and some circuits can capture it, but is it worth the bother try to squeeze OU from free energy?

While your thinking outside the box the solution may be inside the box.

Andrew

[baroutologos]

baroutologos,

All I can say is that you did not build them right. Every Bedini circuit I have built has shown that the battery's load time is increased after every cycle. The only exception is when I didn't build it right, or it wasn't tuned optimally. Every charger I have bought from Renaissance Charge has done what they claim it will do. They all extend the life of your batteries.

As a "desulfator", or rejuvenator I have recovered a lot of batteries of all different types of chemistry very successfully. I've done everything from AAA to large car and deep cycle batteries, lead-acid, gel-cell, silver calcium, Li-On, NiCd, NiMh. As long as the battery isn't physically defective the Bedini circuits will restore it.

The trick is building the circuit for what the batteries want as the batteries are part of the circuit. Then you have to make sure it is tuned for what you want it to do. Lastly, you need to use good components including batteries. A 12V car battery that has been sitting around for years and comes in showing a couple of volts is going to take a long time to recover - maybe 30 - 40 cycles if it's really bad. It takes time to see the results.

There are many other tricks that show some very interesting things that can't be explained in the normal EE sense with these circuits. When you understand the concepts and principles that John Bedini has already shown us, you can start to experiment with ways that you can combine different circuits to achieve different applications.

For example, you might want to use the high voltage, low current, high frequency outputs of the SG circuit to charge a battery directly or to charge up a capacitor. On the other hand you might want the low voltage, high current, low frequency output of a charged capacitor and dump that energy into a battery or a another capacitor once every second. There are many other different possibilities you can use these circuits for.

The point being, that there are different circuits for different applications. Many other people have posted their test results in the public forum for people to see for themselves what the Bedini circuits can do. When so many other people have been successful and you say that it does not work then tell us a bit about your setup and we might be able to help you improve it. You can also tell us what you are trying to achieve and I'm sure there would be many people on these forums that would be happy to help you.



John K.

i bet i build them better than Bedini himself. Its just no magic there.

[Aaron]

@DavidE

-What truth would that be? That over unity is all around us? I am looking for the beef.


Not the shadow of where it is located. If you have fundamental knowledge, demonstrate it in application. Authoring a thread or posting words on a forum is not necessarily truth. Truth must have immutable foundational values. You wouldn't think powering an LED/CLOCK would be so difficult would you?

Forget about humanity. Forget about fame and fortune. Lay something out that ALL CAN SEE and understand. Otherwise, you yourself contribute to the sickness. A boxing match with a mythical ghost.


-I am questioning all elements of the virus, from first infection to death. I am asking that you or anyone inoculate everyone with an immutable truth.


-I am in the throes of the worst stage of the virus. I am vomiting circuit after circuit, only to end up with less of everything. My plastic bending fatigue is near a point of separation.

You can delete my posts, call me stupid, provide link after link of what you claim as "proofs." All I can say is - (1) Self Powered LED or CLOCK - either you can boil down all of your insights into this one proof, or you can't. There is no shame in admitting your limits.

But please let me know if you won't or can't. I will then go back to my underground bunker... and patiently wait for the pole shift.

I could care less about powering an led clock. If I want to know what
time it is, I'll look outside. I haven't worn a watch regularly since 1994.

Let's take this concept of yours and see if there is any common sense
behind it. There isn't but I'm going to briefly explore it. How many
Velijko oscillators did you build, how many rotary attraction motors did
you build, how many joule thief circuits did you build, etc...

Where's the beef? That's part of it. All those are valid over 1.0 cop
systems posted right here and you have the audacity to complain?

Would you like some smelly cheese to go with that whine?

Your post sounds more like an audition for a soap opera than an attempt
to have any meaningful communication.

You accuse me of being disinformation in one way or another. Here is
where the "real you" is revealed. Whether or not I show it is possible
or I show schematics is irrelevant. The ANSWER to what my motives are
self evidently displayed in my work and you have no room to talk
at all.

Once the answer is self evident you then continue to whine and say
you're not interested in the ideas but want the beef.

However, demonstrating the possibility or posting schematics, which I've
done both, is NOT a requirement to prove my intentions and I really don't
have to prove anything to anyone, especially someone such as yourself.

You haven't done any of my Gray circuit tests to see that at a certain
scale, having x joules of charge in the caps, discharging them with
the method into an electromagnetic coil can launch a magnet higher
than the math says that many joules can launch an object of a certain
weight to a certain height against gravity. You choose to gripe.

There are so many over 1.0 cop systems in this forum but you obviously
aren't qualified for this field because you can't even recognize them for
what they are.

Recently Peter and I released some vids and one is a DePalma lecture.
It isn't a secret how his machine works and it is COP 10.0. It is expensive
to build but what is stopping you? A bad attitude?

So once the intention is more than obvious, it answers your question,
then you continue to whine about wanting beef and not the theories.

You are an inconsistent individual. Getting an answer to what you ask
isn't good enough - actually it is but it is obvious in your make-up that
you are wholly and completely compelled to find something to gripe about
and it really has nothing to do with me.

MJN's oscillator has been running for 3 months nonstop powering leds.
He posted a schematic. You choose to gripe and ignore there are solutions
all around you. That is typical for a type of individual that wants to take
no responsibility for their own life or the world they live in. Where is your
replication attempt? Self powered light circuit - any interest in building
one? No? I didn't think so - you choose to complain about everything.

Good luck to you in your bunker and leave me alone and keep your
insults and character bashing to yourself. It is that kind of
attitude that causes people with many things to share to hold back and
not give them out. You are part of the problem and NOT part of the
solution and you think you have room to complain. So sad!

In the end when certain people have the lights on, you'll be sitting in
the dark, in more ways than one.

Matthew 7:6

[Aaron]

@Baro

i bet i build them better than Bedini himself. Its just no magic there.

You have caused trouble around here for quite some time just because
you lack the skills to get anything to work right. I hope you find success
in some other field that suits you.

And insulting a man that has forgot more over the past couple years than
you probably learned in your entire life is uncalled for.

Why not just leave since there is obviously nothing in this forum that
resonates with you. If you instigate any more trouble, you'll be removed.

[SeaMonkey]

The big flaw of Bedini circuits is that they claim OU in batteries and you get NONE.
As a desulphator SSG sux also. tried and know.
The alum stuff, is a nightmare. I have converted a Bosch lead acid battery to alum and from 6Ah capacity droped to 0.5Ah. Alum with "radiant charge" does not shows any merit.
Not to mention the battery could not keep charges up. It took way to long actual time hooked on an improvised desulphator to be restored, but not as it were before.

What about Bedini circuits anyway?

The "Alum Conversion" is a dis-info hoax.

Alum may be added to the acid electrolyte
of the lead acid battery in small quantity
with beneficial result.

The Sulfuric Acid must not be drained from
the battery. It must not be replaced by
any other chemical.

Desulfation will restore the strength of the
acid as the battery rejuvenates. The only
purpose for the added Alum is to make the
very weak electrolyte in a "dead" battery
conductive to charging current flow so that
desulfation and charging may begin.

The Alum, which puts sulfate ion into the very
weak acid of the dead battery, will assure that
lead sulfate does not go into solution. Lead
sulfate is insoluble in normal strength electrolyte
but as the battery discharges, and the acid gets
weaker, some lead sulfate will dissolve.

During re-charge, this dissolved lead sulfate can
result in lead "whiskers" or "dendrites" being formed
onto the negative plates by "plating action."

Those dendrites will eventually reach to the nearest
positive plates and form "short circuits."

By adding Alum (or another soluble sulfate) to the
acid of a lead acid battery it is possible to minimize
the formation of "whiskers" or "dendrites" and thus
prolong the life of the battery by many years.

I agree with your assessment of the SSG as a
desulfation device. There are better options.

There is a reason for a "1:1" turn ratio on the Bedini circuits.

A 1:1 Turns Ratio will not correct an
impedance mis-match which is caused
by excessive numbers of turns and
excessive DC resistance.

Very large coils are not able to transfer
energy efficiently to a low impedance
"load." The Lead-Acid Battery is a Very
Low Impedance Load.

[Aaron]

alum and 1:1

The "Alum Conversion" is a dis-info hoax.

A 1:1 Turns Ratio will not correct an
impedance mis-match which is caused
by excessive numbers of turns and
excessive DC resistance.

Very large coils are not able to transfer
energy efficiently to a low impedance
"load." The Lead-Acid Battery is a Very
Low Impedance Load.

You obviously have never done an alum battery test.

And you choose to ignore the point of 1:1 - that ratio
is balanced to itself in regards to the input output.
They ARE matched to each other.

Then for WHATEVER coil you have, you can then
use it optimally for batteries that are matched to it.
That much is common sense.

[SeaMonkey]

You obviously have never done an alum battery test.

And you choose to ignore the point of 1:1 - that ratio
is balanced to itself in regards to the input output.
They ARE matched to each other.

Then for WHATEVER coil you have, you can then
use it optimally for batteries that are matched to it.
That much is common sense.

When it comes to lead acid batteries I have bench
tested every possible "panacea."

Alum as a "replacement" for Sulfuric Acid, rather than
an adjunct, is indeed a hoax.

While a 1:1 Turns Ratio assures that the windings are
"matched" to each other, they will only transfer
power efficiently to a "load" which has the same or
higher impedance.

When working into a low impedance from a power
source that has a high impedance, a transformer
may be used as an impedance matching device.

The transformer would operate as a "step-down"
transformer to "transform" the power context of
the high impedance source (high voltage/low current)
to a power context which is useful for the low
impedance load (low voltage/high current.)

Think "8 Ohm Loudspeakers" and the need for an
impedance matching "Output Transformer" from
the days of vacuum tube amplifiers.

A properly matched set of impedances (source and
load) will assure that maximum power passes from
the source to the load. As in the Power Distribution
Grid and the plethora of tiny transformers that are
used in the home for low voltage devices.

[John_K]

When it comes to lead acid batteries I have bench
tested every possible "panacea."

Alum as a "replacement" for Sulfuric Acid, rather than
an adjunct, is indeed a hoax.

While a 1:1 Turns Ratio assures that the windings are
"matched" to each other, they will only transfer
power efficiently to a "load" which has the same or
higher impedance.

When working into a low impedance from a power
source that has a high impedance, a transformer
may be used as an impedance matching device.

The transformer would operate as a "step-down"
transformer to "transform" the power context of
the high impedance source (high voltage/low current)
to a power context which is useful for the low
impedance load (low voltage/high current.)

Think "8 Ohm Loudspeakers" and the need for an
impedance matching "Output Transformer" from
the days of vacuum tube amplifiers.

A properly matched set of impedances (source and
load) will assure that maximum power passes from
the source to the load. As in the Power Distribution
Grid and the plethora of tiny transformers that are
used in the home for low voltage devices.

Hi Seamonkey,

For once, I have to agree with you. (Rare I know)

This basic theory and understood easily by most who have researched impedance matching.

It has been well discussed amongst various forums that it is advantageous to match the impedance of the SSG coil to the impedance of the source battery, for most efficient energy transfer. This is where multi-coil SSGs will perform better with a large source battery that has relatively low impedance. Once you calculate the total impedance of the parallel windings of the coil/s and match that (without going under it) to the source battery.

However, I don't think it is well understood, even by those that have built an SSG, that the SSG "sees" the charge battery as a high impedance (or in other words the battery "sees" the SSG as a "lower" impedance). Due to the "impedance mismatch" the battery charges by lowering it's impedance to try and "match" the impedance of the SSG coil.

The SSG is an "impedance matching oscillator" circuit in this sense. Using a bulb in the base resistor circuit also acts as a "servo" to keep the SSG in tune as the charge battery's impedance is lowered.

Hope this makes sense...



John K.

[SeaMonkey]

...
It has been well discussed amongst various forums that it is advantageous to match the impedance of the SSG coil to the impedance of the source battery, for most efficient energy transfer. This is where multi-coil SSGs will perform better with a large source battery that has relatively low impedance. Once you calculate the total impedance of the parallel windings of the coil/s and match that (without going under it) to the source battery.
...



John K.

Excellent! This is an example of very productive
discussion which will bear "fruit."

As a practical matter, the DC resistance of any
coil or group of parallel connected coils which are
being used to charge/desulfate a battery should
be as low as possible: less than 0.3 Ohms is a very
good target.

The lowest possible DC resistance will result in a
coil with the highest possible Quality ("Q".)

Generally, coils made with less than 100 turns of
sufficiently large wire will do the job.

[Aaron]

impedance matching and alum

While a 1:1 Turns Ratio assures that the windings are
"matched" to each other, they will only transfer
power efficiently to a "load" which has the same or
higher impedance.

I don't think I posted anything that requires reading between the lines.
It was pretty straightforward.

And you choose to ignore the point of 1:1 - that ratio
is balanced to itself in regards to the input output.
They ARE matched to each other.

Then for WHATEVER coil you have, you can then
use it optimally for batteries that are matched to it.
That much is common sense.

You're repeating what I said as if I didn't say it.

Anyone can learn about impedance matching by blowing a fan out a window
in their home and opening a window in another room and seeing
what the room to the door does in relation to the opening of the window
for the input air.

And you said you bench test everything but you did not answer if you
have built an alum/water battery. Did you or did you not build an alum
water battery? Apparently you have not because "it would be a waste
of time" according to what your preconceived belief system is.

And if someone is rejuvenating an old battery and pours out the electrolyte
to replace it with alum water for a test, there isn't much sulfuric
acid left in the water anyway compared to a new battery.

[SeaMonkey]

I don't think I posted anything that requires reading between the lines.
It was pretty straightforward.



You're repeating what I said as if I didn't say it.

Anyone can learn about impedance matching by blowing a fan out a window
in their home and opening a window in another room and seeing
what the room to the door does in relation to the opening of the window
for the input air.

And you said you bench test everything but you did not answer if you
have built an alum/water battery. Did you or did you not build an alum
water battery? Apparently you have not because "it would be a waste
of time" according to what your preconceived belief system is.

And if someone is rejuvenating an old battery and pours out the electrolyte
to replace it with alum water for a test, there isn't much sulfuric
acid left in the water anyway compared to a new battery.

Bedini structured coils have an unnecessarily
great DC resistance which is undesirable for
working into low impedance loads. Excessive
resistance in any coil will needlessly dissipate
power as a "loss." Particularly when the coil
is providing power to a Low Impedance which
will demand Maximum Current flow.

A 1:1 Turns Ratio for a coil set which has larger
than ideal DC resistance will not resolve the
impedance mis-match.

Only when the coils themselves have sufficiently
low impedance (as close to 0 Ohms as is practicable)
will they satisfy the Efficient Power Transfer
requirement of having an Impedance Less Than
That of the Load being Powered.

The "1:1 Turns Ratio" without amplifying data is
meaningless. It is imperative to know the
electrical characteristics of the windings
themselves. High Impedance 1:1 is still High
Impedance.

I assure you the "Alum" experiment has been
evaluated and it is a hoax. Pouring out the
liquid electrolyte, in whatever condition, to
replace it with a Potassium/Aluminum Sulfate
Double Salt Solution has no benefit whatever.

However, adding a soluble Sulfate to the
existing electrolyte in a lead acid battery
which is capable of being rejuvenated does
have potentially beneficial effect. It will
work with the existing Sulfuric Acid to reduce
the possibility of dendrite formation.


Before anything is done to a lead acid battery
which has been electrically "drained" such that
it is "completely dead," it should first be attached
to an effective desulfation device. Patiently
desulfating the battery over a period of some
time will, without fail, restore it to useful condition.
Providing (Caveat) that the battery is not physically
damaged internally and is only "sulfated" from neglect.

There is no need to resort to any "Snake Oil" procedure
using an "Alum" which is far less effective than the
intended electrolyte for the battery.

"Alum" has no "magic" powers.

[baroutologos]

You have caused trouble around here for quite some time just because
you lack the skills to get anything to work right. I hope you find success
in some other field that suits you.

And insulting a man that has forgot more over the past couple years than
you probably learned in your entire life is uncalled for.

Why not just leave since there is obviously nothing in this forum that
resonates with you. If you instigate any more trouble, you'll be removed.

Aaron, you make me laugh. I have build much more setups that you ever make and tested various concepts, all proven not to work.
My first attempt was to replicate the bedini motor. I had more than 5 versions. 3 of them quite different setup.It is just not working. I receive consistently COPs 0.5-0.8 whereas Bedini has gone so far to claim 40 or even 60!!

After all, you are not in possition to reply like this to me. John Bedini should stand up himself and talk. We have been too patient with him too long.

In best case i expect him to send me a small Solid State device "tuned" with a small gel-cel battery freely producing OU, to examine myself. I will pay of course the price.

Regarding you, tell me, what is your contribution here exactly, since you are in resonance with this forum? Recirculating muths and selling books?

[sucahyo]

While they may indeed charge batteries, the impedance mis-match prevents efficient transfer of energy. Much power is lost.

I do keep wondering why no one bother to know how to exactly match impedance. And keep me wondering if my way of replacing the charged battery with the coil can be used to measure a battery impedance or matching the coil impedance with the battery....

But it still do not solve battery auto changing impedance problem.


I have problem measuring COP so I never bother to test mine anymore....


I get longer live from my nimh on each radiant charge. put alkaline and zinc carbon battery in the mix too. You may never need to buy the wall clock battery again. I don't get free energy, but I get free battery instead, and that is a significant saving . The circuit can be build less than a pack of replacement battery too. I don't have to pay royalty fee to John Bedini because he share it for free .


I wonder why people keep asking COP>1 if they can implement the basic improvement and get huge cost shaving now.

[Aaron]

these chargers and this thread

Bedini structured coils have an unnecessarily
great DC resistance which is undesirable for
working into low impedance loads. Excessive
resistance in any coil will needlessly dissipate
power as a "loss." Particularly when the coil
is providing power to a Low Impedance which
will demand Maximum Current flow.

A 1:1 Turns Ratio for a coil set which has larger
than ideal DC resistance will not resolve the
impedance mis-match.

Only when the coils themselves have sufficiently
low impedance (as close to 0 Ohms as is practicable)
will they satisfy the Efficient Power Transfer
requirement of having an Impedance Less Than
That of the Load being Powered.

The "1:1 Turns Ratio" without amplifying data is
meaningless. It is imperative to know the
electrical characteristics of the windings
themselves. High Impedance 1:1 is still High
Impedance.

I assure you the "Alum" experiment has been
evaluated and it is a hoax. Pouring out the
liquid electrolyte, in whatever condition, to
replace it with a Potassium/Aluminum Sulfate
Double Salt Solution has no benefit whatever.

However, adding a soluble Sulfate to the
existing electrolyte in a lead acid battery
which is capable of being rejuvenated does
have potentially beneficial effect. It will
work with the existing Sulfuric Acid to reduce
the possibility of dendrite formation.


Before anything is done to a lead acid battery
which has been electrically "drained" such that
it is "completely dead," it should first be attached
to an effective desulfation device. Patiently
desulfating the battery over a period of some
time will, without fail, restore it to useful condition.
Providing (Caveat) that the battery is not physically
damaged internally and is only "sulfated" from neglect.

There is no need to resort to any "Snake Oil" procedure
using an "Alum" which is far less effective than the
intended electrolyte for the battery.

"Alum" has no "magic" powers.

You keep putting words into people's mouths.
Nobody has said alum has magical powers or "benefits"
above and beyond what the battery already has.
You also are putting word's into people's mouths also
by mentioning putting alum an a battery and charging
it with radiant energy. Where do you come up with
such nonsense?

It was brought up as something that CAN be done,
I've done it and it works and so have other people.
Only the curious naysayers are hell-bent on
claiming it screws up batteries or doesn't work.

And comprehending what I wrote about a battery
needing rejuvenation won't have much acid in the
solution compared to a new battery - the obvious
reason is that it is on the plates. If you have
the alum and distilled water mix, which is very
water soluble, there is no shortage of original
sulfuric acid that prevents the battery from
working properly. So the alum is not snake oil,
it is only you overlaying your own perspective
and interpretation on it on top of other people's
discussions about it and you even started it
by outrageously claiming that alum won't dissolve
in water and you know very well we're talking about
the common food additive alum!

You talk about needlessly dissipating power as loss.
Why? There is going to be some loss obviously but they
are still very, very efficient. And even beyond
efficiency, who cares? It keeps batteries out
of the landfill, extends their life and their capacity
as a matter of fact and works perfectly as a
desulphator. There is no question about it
except from a few people that gripe a lot with
words but have shown nothing in return.

Please SHOW what you have that is better.

I'm not going to argue about it being desirable to have
less resistance, but that is common sense. But this
is what you need to understand. This thread is about
the EnergenX chargers.

Efficiency is not the only key even though
they are efficient - it is the benefits you get from the
charge and those you cannot ignore. They do what is
claimed, period.

And, you don't even know the various charging methods
in these commercially available ones from EnergenX
so your comments about the resistance is irrelevant
in this thread.

Many of us deviated from the purpose of this thread
including me but you're trying to have an argument
about something and you don't even know how the
chargers are built.

You know what is open sourced but that is it.

And being that these chargers have a very legitimate
and practical nature and value to them, I'd use them
if they were 50% efficient just because I LOVE what
they do to my batteries. Especially my lawn mower!

[sucahyo]

In best case i expect him to send me a small Solid State device "tuned" with a small gel-cel battery freely producing OU, to examine myself. I will pay of course the price.

I don't remember John Bedini ever said or used gel-cell battery to get OU? where do you get that wrong information?