Renaissance November Workshop Convention

[electricity]

Seek and Thou shall not receive

My first post here. I thought why not answer the big question .
What is Electricity?
This is a question that is asked quite often and apparently hard to answer. After reading through alot of the posts the last couple of days I have come up with an undisputable answer.
"Electricity" is an Entity that we could do without.
Bill H.

Hey Bill,
Welcome aboard.

I had asked the same question but to no avail. My assumption is that we are somehow not qualified to know.

I'm sure Peter Lindermann knows the answer as Aaron can't provide one.

Anyhow, Good luck!

[Matthew Jones]

Why develop a new devise when the old one had Real Usable output, was it 12 kw/hr?.
And also, exotic barrium oxide magnets are hard to find.. let alone programming.
I am tired of these silly toys!

The new one works better.

So you have something to show or you have a point to make?

Or are you just looking to get someone fired up at you.

Personally I think you should probably go act out to your mother or babysitter or something along those lines instead looking for negative attention here. This is not the place.

Matt

[phishy]

so that we know what we´re talking about...
funky stuff

@electricity: build something and see for yourself...

[Mark]

The device shown was along the same lines as the Watson device yet brought up to date with the latest tech to improve the energizer system.
It had no inductive motor as the Watson device did. Instead it had self running starter motor. NO BATTERIES mind you. It ran from the power produced by programmable Barium Ferrite magnets and opposing coils. These magnets alternated poles when briefly pulsed with a magnetic field. The starter motor ran all day in front of us and produced 42 ft lbs of torque. The torque produced was used to push the outer wheel away from cogging the coils produced, that were on the bottom. Similar to an SSG setup.
When the Monopole style setup (For lack of a better description) was started it immediately took 36 volt bank up to 42 volt and cold boiled the charge batteries while maintaining the run batteries. I could hear the batteries from my position in immediately front of them. I missed any reference the total output, because of the crowd that wanted to witness, but I am sure it was a big number.
The numbers were from what was told to me by people who measured and got a closer look at the device before hand. I believe these people.

I also seen alot of other great things while in the room and have no doubt the technology that will help shape an energy future is coming soon.

@Mark
If you are having problems with the kits or homemade devices why not start reposting these issues so that we can help. There are so many people who understand and harness this tech that you can almost assured the problems you are having can be worked through. If you give us a chance.
And if you are not ready to do that why not just stop posting ridicule and doubt, and go on to something else?

I myself am just bustling to get back to work and have a place to share where I do not have to deal with the negative people who continuously create doubt. This stuff works, and anybody willing to be patient and develop the concept for why and how can make it happen.
That place will be here, with or without you.

Cheers
Matt

I'm afraid I don't follow what your describing here. First you say it had a self running starter motor. NO BATTERIES mind you. Then you say it cold boiled the charge batteries while maintaining the run batteries. No batteries, has batteries, I can SEE THE BATTERIES!

Thanks for posting the pics phishy. I must say thats the largest SSG I have ever seen. Very impressive!

Matt most everything I have built, from kits to home made devices worked as far as making light, recovering sulfated batteries or charging batteries. But none have produced excess energy, power or overunity what ever term you want to use. I got involved with "free energy" because I was led to believe these systems could be built by the average person to do just that, make "free energy". Now don't get me wrong I'm no electronics wiz but I expected to learn more or get more than what I got from the money and time I have spent so far. I read and study this forum everyday to try and learn or get more insight on how to produce and overunity device. And yes I have learned a lot about the devices I have made and also learned from what others have done but to be honest I am somewhat disappointed so far with the end results up to this point.

If you go and look at the sales pitches for most of the devices and videos you are lead to believe that after you purchase the kit or information that you will be able to produce "free energy". And thats just not the case, at least not for me or anyone else that I know of except Bits setup or maybe the work of Dr Stiffler.

If John's device is infact overunity and now he has shown it to the public why not give out or sell complete instructions on how to make one. Not something that almost works or might work if you knew how to tune it but really works. And don't give me a lame excuse about safety or the MIB because that just doesn't hold water anymore. Has the MIB or anyone made death threats to Steorn over his device, those days are long gone. I think most people have a pretty good understanding of how these devices work and if we dont then teach us the missing keys. THATS NOT SPOON FEEDING. Come on if now isn't the time to let the cat out of the bag then when will it be. Or will this knowledge just be added to the list of lost technologies.

Mark

[Matthew Jones]

2 devices for one purpose. The starter motor ran itself. It is the center section of the big wheel.
The monopole part of it is on the bottom and it did have batteries.

You did not have start the motor via a spin it was spinning on its own. Then of course you could incorporate the bottom part and and would start producing power.

Follow Me? 2 separate things working together at different phases.


Well I have monopole that is mine I built and it keeps the batteries charging in a COP of 2 or higher. It took a few times but what else can I say. It worked for me. My Tesla switch's works. And generally any concept I have tested or tried to develop either shows promise or works

If there is something I can do to be a help PM me and give me some info and I sure will try to help. I would just really appreciate it if what was wrote was more in the "pursuit of" and less in the "Just give up". Once the "Just give up" starts there a far to many people just ready to jump in with any kind of rhetoric no matter how uneducated it is.

I think the plan is to expand the setup he has. He didn't say anything about for sale, or open source yet. So I can't speak to that.

Matt

[Bit's-n-Bytes]

I'm afraid I don't follow what your describing here. First you say it had a self running starter motor. NO BATTERIES mind you. Then you say it cold boiled the charge batteries while maintaining the run batteries. No batteries, has batteries, I can SEE THE BATTERIES!

Thanks for posting the pics phishy. I must say thats the largest SSG I have ever seen. Very impressive!

Matt most everything I have built, from kits to home made devices worked as far as making light, recovering sulfated batteries or charging batteries. But none have produced excess energy, power or overunity what ever term you want to use. I got involved with "free energy" because I was led to believe these systems could be built by the average person to do just that, make "free energy". Now don't get me wrong I'm no electronics wiz but I expected to learn more or get more than what I got from the money and time I have spent so far. I read and study this forum everyday to try and learn or get more insight on how to produce and overunity device. And yes I have learned a lot about the devices I have made and also learned from what others have done but to be honest I am somewhat disappointed so far with the end results up to this point.

If you go and look at the sales pitches for most of the devices and videos you are lead to believe that after you purchase the kit or information that you will be able to produce "free energy". And thats just not the case, at least not for me or anyone else that I know of except Bits setup or maybe the work of Dr Stiffler.

If John's device is infact overunity and now he has shown it to the public why not give out or sell complete instructions on how to make one. Not something that almost works or might work if you knew how to tune it but really works. And don't give me a lame excuse about safety or the MIB because that just doesn't hold water anymore. Has the MIB or anyone made death threats to Steorn over his device, those days are long gone. I think most people have a pretty good understanding of how these devices work and if we dont then teach us the missing keys. THATS NOT SPOON FEEDING. Come on if now isn't the time to let the cat out of the bag then when will it be. Or will this knowledge just be added to the list of lost technologies.

Mark

@Mark, I had the oppurtuninty to look at the machine up close and personal. I also had the pleasure of John asking me to verify the numbers regarding the output of this machine (see attached pic). Over 1.5 million joules of energy. Now let me explain the machine. The center hub use no starter motors, but it did have the berium ferrite magnets (non-linear placed) and coils. This hub propelled the wheel Perpetually, for the entire morning at 2 RPM until he began to explain the wheel. He then energized the wheel in a Watson method and the wheel stabilized at 16.8 RPM. The batteries under charge began at about 37.2 volts, but after a few revolutions, attained about 46 volts and was cold boiling. There are no secrets with this machine. John built it with the same features he helped Watson with at the 1984 conventions. There is no trickery here. In fact John brought a hole saw in and challanged the attendees to inspect it if they wish. There were no takers. Let me totally upfront with everyone, THIS IS THE REAL DEAL.

Jeff

[redeagle]

Mark, from what i have read is that the difference is in the coil. Just putting together briefly info from posts on this website: Larger multi-filar coils produce more output than small single-filar ones. The multi-filar coils produce a synergistic effect that the single filar ones lack. While we all know that a pickup coil can be used to send current back to the primary battery. Bits has freely told us that his is wound closest to the core. closer to the core = more turns and higher voltage=more energy back into the coil. As far as being wound the opposite direction, I have no clue. A portion of the energy is retained in the outlying power windings which is directed into a separate charging bank. Give the battery an excuse to charge and it will charge itself.

[rosehillworks]

hello to all

It was great to finally meet so many of you at the Renaissance convention. It was an absolutely terrific birthday present from my wife. All of the information presented was definitely worth the expense and time. I found Peter's presentation extremely enlightening, I would recommend buying the cd of his presentation at this convention. I will be purchasing it to be able to memorize this vital information and have it in my library. It was truly an extraordinary convention. I want to personally thank Peter for kindly answering all of my questions without hesitation. Thanks to all who worked so hard to make this happen. William Reed

[Mark]

Let me see if I understand this correctly. If you took all 6 batteries away the machine would run on its own at 2 rpm with no input what so ever other than a little spin?

Why are there 2 banks of batteries. Looks like one bank of 3 batteries is used to run it and the other 3 battery bank is for charging. It would be more convincing if there was only 1 bank of batteries instead of 2.

Matt I may take you up on your offer. When you say a COP of 2 or higher do you mean you can take 2 batteries one charged and the other discharged and after rotating a few times both batteries will eventually be charged completely. Or are you just saying a COP of 2. A COP of greater than 1 is not what I'm looking for I'm sure I've already accomplished that. I'm looking for overunity, more output than input, excess energy or having more than I started with.

Thanks Bits and Matt for your responses,
Mark

[Mark]

Mark, from what i have read is that the difference is in the coil. Just putting together briefly info from posts on this website: Larger multi-filar coils produce more output than small single-filar ones. The multi-filar coils produce a synergistic effect that the single filar ones lack. While we all know that a pickup coil can be used to send current back to the primary battery. Bits has freely told us that his is wound closest to the core. closer to the core = more turns and higher voltage=more energy back into the coil. As far as being wound the opposite direction, I have no clue. A portion of the energy is retained in the outlying power windings which is directed into a separate charging bank. Give the battery an excuse to charge and it will charge itself.

I've actually tried a similiar configuation a long time age. Had a bifilar coil SSG with a thicker coil wraped around the outside and what I found was that when pulling power from the outer coil it cancelled the power coming off of the inner coil. But I haven't tried what Bits is doing with an extra coil on the inside wound in the opposet direction, may have to try that next.

[electricity]

A million ?

If this machine is more advance, then why wasn't there a load?.

Heck, @ million joules, then where was the Artificial Sun?, 5000 x halogen light 150w could have been illuminated.

This is very mis-leading, it's forget the Watson, even though there was never ONE successful replication, and that was back in 1984. EXCEPT mine which I'm ironing out.

Guy's this smells really fishy. Didn't the monster thing died when Bedini applied load?

Stay tuned for the the Real Watson machine.

[ashtweth]

@Bits
Do you understand what it is that you are talking about?

You rant about Free Energy, yet elect to uphold the Lenz Flaw that governs induction of which is used to derive the equation of energy conservation?.

Lenz states that an induced current is always in such a direction as to oppose the motion or change causing it. To produce Free E is to overcome or make ineffective Lenz law, and what is a law that does not govern true? That we call Flaw.

Look, I wish not to argue with you, I am simply asking for proof of your claimed Free Energy. Provide a Real Working Free Energy devise that we can replicate. You guys have been telling the same tale since the 1980s, isn't it time we see REAL FREE ENERGY DEVICES in action?.

@ashtweth
Did I ever ask you of clarification of electrical?.
Do you even understand magnetism?. You are the only one bragging about Kits like Orbo. I do not buy, I MAKE. I bought a $100 kit from Bedini to see the PCB. That kit is way over priced, pardon me. I can source the parts from Taobao for $10, shipping included.

LOOK, we are tired of the same story. Peter has been telling about these fantastic devises for years, is there ONE actual replication?.

SIMPLE, provide replicable proof.

Electricity.

its clear you dont know what the ORBO is or whats involved, no one does till they are helping on the SKBD forum. Its also clear you dont know what John B's technology is, if you did you would be there presenting it to every one and not JEFF.

Peter's research video';s have helped my job, dont know about what your job is. Seems like a passive observer with no real contribution or engineering skills, if you want to buy some thing, posting the way you do does not reflect this.

If you want to complain, there is a great neutral spirit of light here called Aaron/ADMIN, which kick my butt daily...Plus i happen to know perosnal things Peter and Jeff have done and they have inspired me to do years of no profit service. If you continue i am sure may have some introspection for you. Take our advice, your VERY out of place here, dont take it personal if your ignored and banned, we have given you good advice. .

With out Peter's contribution you would not know about the devices he has presented in as much detail, if Peter could reproduce them, its a whole other ball game, things are not as simple as you would like to imagine, it takes a community to get FE to the people,. you can see next year how i wont be wrong about this. Good luck with your research.

Ash

[Joit]

Why dont we vote to kick him.
He allready fool with Peoples around and all his Postings are actually only an Insult for anyone with his Attitude.
Beside that he did do his best, to drive the Captret Thread down and close to dead,
are his Opinions about other Peoples anyway not really honest, like here
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post116469
That guy is for my Opinion just a waste of Server space.

[electricity]

Why dont we vote to kick him.
He allready fool with Peoples around and all his Postings are actually only an Insult for anyone with his Attitude.
Beside that he did do his best, to drive the Captret Thread down and close to dead,
are his Opinions about other Peoples anyway not really honest, like here
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post116469
That guy is for my Opinion just a waste of Server space.

I did not expect that from Ash. Dang man, I expected more from you, gotta keep ur cool, you run an Uni for Pete's sake.

I'm not ignorant, I know Peter is big boss, Aaron is apprentice .

Hey those are my own comments.

Besides, does Aaron really want to deal with DOS attack?, like you can lock down a forum, get real auto proxy floods is boring, then you guys can't reach this site.

Anyway, I'm just different. I don't have to be like u guys, heck thats hella boring.

[Joit]

I've actually tried a similiar configuation a long time age. Had a bifilar coil SSG with a thicker coil wraped around the outside and what I found was that when pulling power from the outer coil it cancelled the power coming off of the inner coil. But I haven't tried what Bits is doing with an extra coil on the inside wound in the opposet direction, may have to try that next.

Do that.
The latest Coil i did build has about #24 inside and #20 or #19 outside,
wrapped in opposite Way, and around the same Resistance.
I adjusted them rude, that each Coil runs at about the same Resistance at the Pot for the trigger.
Now i cant run the rotor close not anymore at 12 V because it will run to fast,
that i am scared about, the the Magnets will fly away, and mostly i use about 6-8V.
When i apply a load on it over the Diode like a 5W Bulb, the amp draw goes down at certains Speeds.
Just Batteries have not that much Resistance so it dont affect it very much,
but it does a little.
Also you have to twiddle some around, wich Ends from they coils you connect, both in parallel,
but usual is there only one Configuration what works well, by me.