Renaissance November Workshop Convention

[nvisser]

Actually I do see the point. It's just sad that it happens to be about the "money". I realise that people need to be paid for their time and efforts, but it just sickens me that it always boils down to the "money". Most people just can't seem to have enough of it. Look at all the millionaires and billionaires, how on earth will they ever be able to spend all that money.

Seems to me that Rick, John and those involved would want to broadcast or youtube the conference to get as many people to see it as possible. That would stimulate sales of their products more than they could ever make selling DVD's of the conference. But hey what do I know I only look at the big picture.

If you want to go to the movies, you must buy a ticket!
That is just the way it is and always was.

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, I'm with you Mark/Mike. A conference based upon excess energy devices and one has to pay for the information. And before some said, it's free or excess energy, though the devices are not free. Ok fine, I'll accept that even though I don't agree with that even, but now were charging to even get the information. These comments of mine require no negative reply from the so called experts, they are only intended to make people think. Maybe as long as people feel they owe nothing to there brothers and sisters of the world, things will stay the same for them. Sharing freely your time, energy and labor and ideas with all is the only way out of this. Though people may take as long as they need to figure this out, we'll be waiting for you.
peace love light
Tyson

[Matthew Jones]

What alot of people are failing to see about this whole thing is the market of selling this stuff is "Short". So there should be a charge and revenue should be generated.
We who are paying to go see, and supporting future research by seen developer, will inevitably use what we learn in future devices.

So no way around the info is getting out sooner or later. The short term revenue generated from selling the first generation of information insures future development of better, faster,and more efficient technique.

Besides those who are crying about having to pay are just mad because they haven't the funds to go. Nothing to be ashamed of, but you should get past it and look at the bigger picture.

The stuff is getting out!!! Be happy and wish Gods Speed on those who are selling it, giving it, and developing it.

Matt

[Mark]

If you want to go to the movies, you must buy a ticket!
That is just the way it is and always was.

Have you ever watched a movie on TV? Or are you saying that the DVD will only cost $8.00, or that I can rent it for $3.00.

I don't think charging to go to the conference is out of line at all. People were allowed to video things at the Tesla conference why not at this one? Because they want to sell video's. It's about the "money". It's always about the money. It's the American way. Why do you think we already don't have free energy.

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, Mark said

It's about the "money". It's always about the money. It's the American way. Why do you think we already don't have free energy.

I know what the big picture is and it starts now, every step and every choice and action in every moment creates the world we live in. One can believe doing the same thing that created a situation will change it and that is ones divine gift to experience the results of that. Why is it so hard for some people to see that the change starts now, not later, not at some predestined time when another says our plans will culminate in a victory over what. One can't fight an invisible force that is not even real. The only big picture to be seen is the one most people are blind to. You and I and everyone you see in the world are the same energy being, pretending not to be. What more can I say. Folks can choose to stay with the state of conscious awareness they are at for as long as it takes for them to figure this out. So the question then becomes, why would anyone charge themselves for anything. Quite the paradox. Though you folks have the right to keep on believing in this illusion, though be prepared to continue charging yourself, oops i mean others, for ideas, food, rent, clothes, water, air and continue in the make believe survival world. One does have the choice to decide, though much effort is made to make it seem otherwise.
I like this song, it has a decent message.
YouTube - Melissa Etheridge - What Happens Tomorrow
peace love light
Tyson

[nvisser]

Quote from Rick on the monopole yahoo group

John says don't miss the Renaissance Conference
A lot of people are asking about video of the Conference. We have no certainty
that there will be filming of the meeting available to anyone.

We have some really special things going on and John says that this will never
be shown again. Nor has it been shown before. He wants me to tell everyone on
the lists to not miss this.

Rick

[albertMunich]

Hello friends,

I envy you and would really like to attend. But flying in from Germany is a little too expensive for me. So I too hope we'll get some infos soon after the conference.
It seems like the thing is getting serious! This is probably the biggest thing to happen in years. Now it's up to you who will be speakers and experimenters at the conference to deliver the goodies. And they better BE good!

I hope you have invited people from the other side- physicists, "classic" electrical engineers and the like. I am not talking about the professional sceptics who will not see an overunity device if their nose gets stuck in the rotor.
But: If it's just an insider show catering to those who already believe in OU it won't have the effect of convincing those who need to be convinced in order to get any of these processes to the market. If you can convince or impress even one person from MIT or another big mainstream university it will do more for the cause of free energy than anything else. To get highly qualified theoreticists and hands on engineers to look into these processes will advance not only the cause of free energy but science in general.

But be also aware that by going public you will also attract those who want to suppress this at all cost. Remember what happened to Jim Watsons batteries? Better have some padlocks ready this time. A German sheperd trained on MIBs would not be a bad idea,too.
Take a close look at who will say what. And for what reason.
If you can set up a machine to self run for the whole duration of the conference it will do more than the whole STEORN effort.

I am looking forward to seeing the results!

Albert

[Aaron]

transportation from airport

For anyone staying at the Hagadon Resort where the conference is,
I saw on the conference site that: "CDA Resort provides transport."
so you won't have to pay for a taxi - if I'm reading that right.

For anyone not staying at the resort, you all may be able to coordinate
some shared taxi rides to reduce expenses.

[kippered]

Now it's up to you who will be speakers and experimenters at the conference to deliver the goodies. And they better BE good!

I am sure there will be some vibrant discussion after the conference which I look forward to contributing. I cant bring a video camera if I had one but I sure can bring my pen and paper!

[John_K]

Hi folks, I'm with you Mark/Mike. A conference based upon excess energy devices and one has to pay for the information. And before some said, it's free or excess energy, though the devices are not free. Ok fine, I'll accept that even though I don't agree with that even, but now were charging to even get the information. These comments of mine require no negative reply from the so called experts, they are only intended to make people think. Maybe as long as people feel they owe nothing to there brothers and sisters of the world, things will stay the same for them. Sharing freely your time, energy and labor and ideas with all is the only way out of this. Though people may take as long as they need to figure this out, we'll be waiting for you.
peace love light
Tyson

Hi Tyson,

I think you'll find that John has already shared this information for FREE for the last 30 years anyway. It's been on the Internet for almost as long as well. Research also costs money. I can assure you that if any money is made from the conference and subsequent DVDs (if any), it will be poured back into further R&D of future products. Hopefully John has enough left over to feed himself and maybe a cup of coffee! I personally have invested thousands into this research and have found that what has already been shared for free works as claimed if it is built as directed.


John K.

[Matthew Jones]

For anyone staying at the Hagadon Resort where the conference is,
I saw on the conference site that: "CDA Resort provides transport."
so you won't have to pay for a taxi - if I'm reading that right.

For anyone not staying at the resort, you all may be able to coordinate
some shared taxi rides to reduce expenses.

It $69 round trip for the shuttle service. They don't tell ya that till you call.

Also anyone needing a ride. I'll have a car after 2 pm Friday.
I am also coming back at 5 pm to pick someone else up.
PM me we'll work it out.

Cheers
Matt

[Turion]

It's Out There

There are all kinds of sites out there with John's schematics on them, and there are all kinds of videos like Peter's Motor Secrets and the Energy from the Vacuum series, and I have most of them, and the books. And I have built lots of different things. I search on YouTube all the time, and I am willing to try anything.

Honestly, the thing that is most valuable to someone like me who is willing to work their butt off, but has a limited understanding of what to do and how to do it, is something like Imhotep did with his little motor. He took us through the build process step by step. But even THEN we were left to figure out how to tune it on our own.

The knowledge will never be "Out There" until someone takes the time to put together something that takes the viewer step by step through the entire process of building and tuning a device. I'm sorry, but that's the way it is. Something that can be given to ANYONE so that they can build a working model. Just saying that the schematics are out there is not enough. How many people can read those???????

And yes, I've heard the arguments that you have to "learn about this technology" and "understand how it works". Which is a load of crap. I don't need to know anything about how my microwave works in order to use it, or my cell phone, or my hair dryer. All I need to know is how to turn it on. And that's the problem right now. Not everyone can build their own hair dryer, because they don't know how. But I can BUY one! And not everyone can build a working over unity motor or device because MOST of us don't know how. But we CAN'T buy a working model. Only a kit, that you MAY or MAY NOT ever get to work. The devil is in the details. I know this from experience. And most people don't have the TIME or the stick-with-it ness to gut out what it takes to get one of these things working.

I'd bet that more than half the people on these forums have never tried to build anything. And some of them still insist that it can't work. Some of us believe that they CAN work. So we are willing to spend the time and energy and money it takes to learn more. And some of us are rewarded for our efforts. But until something that actually works is mass marketed, or until someone puts together a video of how to build and tune a device that people can watch and replicate successfully, it is not "OUT THERE" and never will be.

If someone started a site for successful over unity device replications how many people would be able to post something there that they have built, that works, that has been replicated, that can BE replicated, with directions on how to build it and tune it that ANYONE could follow and be successful. When that happens I will believe it is "OUT THERE." right now I still worry that we are in danger of having wonderful ideas and concepts follow those of Tesla into some dark cavern where they may never see the light of day again.

By the way, I'm going to the conference. When I take classes at the University to learn more about something important to me, I pay for it. This is important to me. I will pay for it. Just like I would BUY an over unity device if they were sold. Wouldn't we all?

[Mark]

Hi Turion

Not one of the kits that are being sold are overunity either. Even though it may be interpreted that they are. There are claims of overunity devices that have been made but I have not seen one that has been succesfully replicated. You'll see claims of devices on youtube that have 4 times the output compared to the input but for some reason they dont work or they have been "turned down". Even the DVD's that give you the information to make a working device never seem to deliver what they promise. If you want a real free energy device you'd be best off spending your money on solar or a wind turbine at least we know those actually work. I would really like to attend the conference but I'm not convinced that the $1,000 or more I would spend with travel, lodging and so on would be worth it. Everytime I've seen a big build up with some great new this or that, with little details of what it is I am usually dissappointed in the end. I hope for every ones sake that is paying to go that they walk away with something more than you get from a magic show.

[Bit's-n-Bytes]

I hope for every ones sake that is paying to go that they walk away with something more than you get from a magic show.

Ok Mark, I've sat on the sidelines but now have to say my piece. I am quite honored to have been asked to speak at this event. You’ll not see a magic show from me, but you’ll see a couple of many devices that I have created, all which have very useful purpose(s). I am also honored by just being in the same room as many talented individuals such as Vissie, Mathew Jones, Citfa and many more. I wish John Koorn could also be in attendance. You see, this event is all about “networking”, sharing of ideas, finding out about ones culture, etc. It is NOT a “magic show”, albeit, folks will experience history at this event. Like many others, I have poured thousands of dollars in my own research and have shared every bit of it, but also ask nothing in return. My rewards are to have contributed to change this worlds thinking, and one day say that I had a hand in it.

Hope to finally see you there

Jeff

[Mark]

Ok Mark, I've sat on the sidelines but now have to say my piece. I am quite honored to have been asked to speak at this event. You’ll not see a magic show from me, but you’ll see a couple of many devices that I have created, all which have very useful purpose(s). I am also honored by just being in the same room as many talented individuals such as Vissie, Mathew Jones, Citfa and many more. I wish John Koorn could also be in attendance. You see, this event is all about “networking”, sharing of ideas, finding out about ones culture, etc. It is NOT a “magic show”, albeit, folks will experience history at this event. Like many others, I have poured thousands of dollars in my own research and have shared every bit of it, but also ask nothing in return. My rewards are to have contributed to change this worlds thinking, and one day say that I had a hand in it.

Hope to finally see you there

Jeff

Bits

I have more respect for you than anyone on this forum. You truly have given all that you have learned except that which may have been NDA'd. I'm sorry if I have offended you, that was not my intent. But when I hear statements about seeing stuff that has never been seen before with no elaboration what so ever what is one to think. Its an advertising ploy. If you dont sign up today then the offer is not valid tomorrow. Why the song and dance tactic. Why not be staight forward, tell us whats going to be there.

Look at this summary posted on Rick's site to sell the Kromrey converter DVD
Well, here it is, John Bedini's legendary "G-field generator" from the early 1980s in all its glory running on the bench and putting out more power than John is putting in. And ejecting a stream of freezing cold air from its interior, where one would "normally" expect heat would be produced and dissipated.
In this DVD John Bedini, painstakingly traces the "G-field generator's" pedigree and history all the way back to the late Professor Raymond Kromrey, and John then presents the theory, the circuit diagram, what to do, and what not to do, to build one that works.

I haven't heard of any replications that work have you.

Or this outake from Magnetic Gates & Howard Johnson Dialogues with JOHN BEDINI
Oriented primarily towards potential magnetic experimenters and motor builders, there is no excuse for not being able to build a simple self-powering magnetic motor after having watched this lecture and demonstrations.

And, as always, John's explanations are simple and easy to follow, even though they include effects that are not in the “textbooks.”

Haven't seen one of these working either.

I just think people should get what they expect and in a lot of cases that just doesn't seem to be the case.

Look at the 10 coiler it has been represented as a device that John has powered his home with but from what I has seen that is far from the case. And its suppose to be replica of the original.

I respect you Bits and your work and contributions. They have far exceeded anything that I have done. I just want the truth, no smoking mirrors or empty promises. I dont think that is too much to ask after all the money a lot of us have spent with very little to show from it. If I could get all the money back from kits, wire, rotors, magnets, transistors, scr's, relays, caps, etc... I probably could be close to being off grid with a solar unit.