Bedini Ferris Wheel Regauging Motor

[redrichie]

Ok guys lets see if I got this. Please correct me where wrong. First EDs machine. Analog.
1 flywheel.
2 maybe 3 PMH holder depending on size and strength to counter lenz from previous PMH (pulse MOTOR holder) out of phase from one another.
1 large coil made to be the best coil by field shaping inserted in an iron pipe. It doesn't waste those magnets. super pole magnets Nn/ss/nn energize pipe/coil firing into series wound double perpetual motion holders. (Funny thing when view from top 2 pmh and v mags make an infinity symbol.) energy from pipe/coil is AC. alternating currents!! the system is timed right so alternating poles are formed from ALTERNATING CURRENTS. REGAUGING!! as it flip flops all the poles on the PMH's . the energy is still probably usable to be recycled into system and combined with new electricity being produced by flywheel/pipe. or for whatever other purposes needed. I remember reading that one set of those magnets would knock a man down if he touched it wrong by cranking the model T. He used all heavy gauge wire. the giant rolls of thick copper wire are in the tool room. this thing really put it out you guys. a self running, regauging, magnetic amplifier.

[cody]

project update

Work on my motor will be slow the next week or so, i have finals next week. I did find time tonight to finish the pmh coil.

[Michael Kishline]

John B, Aaron,

I was only just posting what I observed from the experiments I did and drew my own conclusions. I am quite happy to be corrected when I'm wrong and rethink what I saw as I was seeing it wrong.

Sorry if I came across a bit cocky and annoying. In future I'll think twice before posting in that tone again.

Yes, I should have been there and should have see the machine myself instead of presuming what I interpreted from the pictures and the posts of the people that were there.

I have the greatest respect for both of you and am not here to cause any trouble.

Aaron was right in that the answer I was looking for was assymetry (and non-linear) the way the neo and the ceramic are positioned.

I didn't know that John did not glue the magnets on, I falsely presumed that from the experiment I did that he must have.

I will go away and re-think and redo the experiments and continue to build as planned.

Once again, no offence was intended and I hope we can continue to work together.


John K.

That was a beautiful repent John K. well said.
Remember that, "The mind of a humble student is like a sponge to Guidence, Wisdom, Knowledge and Councel"

John K. is now ready, great attitude!!!

[redrichie]

Johns machine a slightly more digital (but not fully LOL) system of the same principal.. But unlike ED we are also creating and capturing that radiant spike and pulsing it at just the right time to really open that window to super charge those batteries and convert that radiant into regular usable energy.

[Matthew Jones]

John B, Aaron,
I was only just posting what I observed from the experiments I did and drew my own conclusions. I am quite happy to be corrected when I'm wrong and rethink what I saw as I was seeing it wrong.
Sorry if I came across a bit cocky and annoying. In future I'll think twice before posting in that tone again.
Yes, I should have been there and should have see the machine myself instead of presuming what I interpreted from the pictures and the posts of the people that were there.
I have the greatest respect for both of you and am not here to cause any trouble.
Aaron was right in that the answer I was looking for was assymetry (and non-linear) the way the neo and the ceramic are positioned.
I didn't know that John did not glue the magnets on, I falsely presumed that from the experiment I did that he must have.
I will go away and re-think and redo the experiments and continue to build as planned.
Once again, no offence was intended and I hope we can continue to work together.

John K.

Hey John K

Its all a casting issue. Catch me on the Skype and I'll explain it to ya. It a real simple thing.

Matt

[Aaron]

@John K

Once again, no offence was intended and I hope we can continue to work together.

Yes - of course! I love your contributions John and don't think you or
anyone else in this thread is here to cause trouble. This is a very talented
group of builders and I have a lot of respect for people that actually do
the experiments.

I don't post much in this thread because I like to watch from a distance
what everyone's progress is. But when I do post, I'm not posting
an opinion - I already know the answer and am trying to help everyone get
it.

Anyway, I wanted people to know the magnets position themselves, which
was no secret since it had already been discussed. Some of what your
experiments show is because of imbalances in the magnet from how they
were made, which is very common. You almost can't find two alike, they're
almost like fingerprints. Not as much variation but you get the point.

Go take a ceramic ring magnet of maybe 3-4 inches in diameter. Then
put some small 3/8 or so diameter neo round magnets on the edge, put
two of them next to each other so they spring apart and you have mickey
mouse with the head and 2 ears or a water molecule. Now, pull one round
magnet along the edge to the other side 180 degrees for example and
let go, it will zip back around to where it likes to sit. It is not perfectly
equal or symmetrical anyway. Anyway, spent too many hours on those
experiments. Put enough small ones around it and you can see how the
field is biased.

Anyway, what you see in the pic I posted is effects of the magnetic field
spiraling. That is how it likes to move. Put on the magnets and then spin
the wheel and watch what happens. That isn't from how the magnets
are made.

It's my own flaw that I get frustrated when I post a fact and am debated
on it - I know it is sometimes taken as an opinion. My aggressive drive
is because I feel a very strong sense of urgency - time is at
hand. I'm not working on this stuff for entertainment (not saying you are
either) - I'm doing this as if my life depended on it, literally. Seriously,
I put my heart into it as if each day is the last day of my life. This attitude
has blessed me beyond words and getting favor from the universe isn't
about being a saint - I've proven that.

@All,

Anyway, if anyone knows erfinder, I'll activate his account if he wants
it activated. I don't blame him if he never wants to see this forum for
the rest of his life. I apologize I was so aggressive with him. I knew
I was stating a fact even though he thought I was stating an opinion
and dismissed my honoring the math and providing the answer of a level.

I had to nip it in the bud because I didn't want a bunch of people going
down the wrong path of trying to analyze the interior design of Masonic
Lodge's trying to find more clues to Leedskalnin's work and people in this
field tend to get sidetracked into a lot of stuff that just wastes time.
Pretty soon, there are masonicmagnetics.com, lodgecurrents.com and
you name it and a whole following of people trying to decipher tea leaves
and what have you in order to see what Leedskalnin is saying instead
of just doing the EXACT experiments that John suggested. I'm not saying
anyone contributing to this thread would go off on that path but stranger
things have been known to happen.

Anyone can PM me if they know that erfinder wants back in. He took
the time and money to go to the conference and I want him to get as
much as he can out of the experience and what is to be offered here.

The more that is built and shown by more and more people, the more
that is brought to the surface.

In the end, I hope we can all be friends and we'll move forward faster
together than apart.

[John_K]

Hi Aaron,

I have to be honest, I underestimated your experience and intelligence. Sorry for that.

Anyhow, let's move on.

I did the ring magnet experiment and you are right. The cylindrical neos tend to stop where they want to. They don't seem to stop in a particular place all the time.

I also re-ran the experiment I did with the neo and the ferrite. Out of 16 magnets I tested, only one of them the neo did not want to stay in the centre. This one is the same one I tested last night and drew the wrong conclusions with. There looks to be something different about that one magnet. Like Matt said, it seems to be a casting problem.

I'm glad I was corrected, otherwise I would have glued all of the neos onto the ferrites for no reason.

I'll end with this quote:

Success is the result of good judgment.
Good judgment is the result of experience.
Experience is often the result of bad judgment.
- Anthony Robbins


John K.

Yes - of course! I love your contributions John and don't think you or
anyone else in this thread is here to cause trouble. This is a very talented
group of builders and I have a lot of respect for people that actually do
the experiments.

I don't post much in this thread because I like to watch from a distance
what everyone's progress is. But when I do post, I'm not posting
an opinion - I already know the answer and am trying to help everyone get
it.

Anyway, I wanted people to know the magnets position themselves, which
was no secret since it had already been discussed. Some of what your
experiments show is because of imbalances in the magnet from how they
were made, which is very common. You almost can't find two alike, they're
almost like fingerprints. Not as much variation but you get the point.

Go take a ceramic ring magnet of maybe 3-4 inches in diameter. Then
put some small 3/8 or so diameter neo round magnets on the edge, put
two of them next to each other so they spring apart and you have mickey
mouse with the head and 2 ears or a water molecule. Now, pull one round
magnet along the edge to the other side 180 degrees for example and
let go, it will zip back around to where it likes to sit. It is not perfectly
equal or symmetrical anyway. Anyway, spent too many hours on those
experiments. Put enough small ones around it and you can see how the
field is biased.

Anyway, what you see in the pic I posted is effects of the magnetic field
spiraling. That is how it likes to move. Put on the magnets and then spin
the wheel and watch what happens. That isn't from how the magnets
are made.

It's my own flaw that I get frustrated when I post a fact and am debated
on it - I know it is sometimes taken as an opinion. My aggressive drive
is because I feel a very strong sense of urgency - time is at
hand. I'm not working on this stuff for entertainment (not saying you are
either) - I'm doing this as if my life depended on it, literally. Seriously,
I put my heart into it as if each day is the last day of my life. This attitude
has blessed me beyond words and getting favor from the universe isn't
about being a saint - I've proven that.

@All,

Anyway, if anyone knows erfinder, I'll activate his account if he wants
it activated. I don't blame him if he never wants to see this forum for
the rest of his life. I apologize I was so aggressive with him. I knew
I was stating a fact even though he thought I was stating an opinion
and dismissed my honoring the math and providing the answer of a level.

I had to nip it in the bud because I didn't want a bunch of people going
down the wrong path of trying to analyze the interior design of Masonic
Lodge's trying to find more clues to Leedskalnin's work and people in this
field tend to get sidetracked into a lot of stuff that just wastes time.
Pretty soon, there are masonicmagnetics.com, lodgecurrents.com and
you name it and a whole following of people trying to decipher tea leaves
and what have you in order to see what Leedskalnin is saying instead
of just doing the EXACT experiments that John suggested. I'm not saying
anyone contributing to this thread would go off on that path but stranger
things have been known to happen.

Anyone can PM me if they know that erfinder wants back in. He took
the time and money to go to the conference and I want him to get as
much as he can out of the experience and what is to be offered here.

The more that is built and shown by more and more people, the more
that is brought to the surface.

In the end, I hope we can all be friends and we'll move forward faster
together than apart.

[Aaron]

neos

I also re-ran the experiment I did with the neo and the ferrite. Out of 16 magnets I tested, only one of them the neo did not want to stay in the centre. This one is the same one I tested last night and drew the wrong conclusions with. There looks to be something different about that one magnet. Like Matt said, it seems to be a casting problem.

What you're seeing is imperfections but do you think the neos are turned
on the GT3 wheel because of that?

You say they are staying in the center but are they staying so all the
edges are parallel with the edges of the ceramic magnet or are they turned
at an angle while keeping their own center over the ceramic magnet
center?

If they are square, then watch what happens when a coil is pulsed
on the north face of the ceramic. Does the neo still stay square with the
ceramic or does it turn?

Remember that the neo is not restricted in its movement.

If it moves when the coil is pulsed on the N face, do you think it turns
because of casting problems in the magnet?

edit: on smaller magnets and coils, the effect may not be as pronounced
as it is on a giant machine.

[redrichie]

No aaron The field spins. Like a vortex, just like you showed in those pictures with the statue.
GordyP made a small motor yesterday using the PMH as the driver. It is 4 alternating pole ceramics on basically a CD using a VCR bearing. Was just to test functionality. He found a small reed that fires only on the south poles like a Hall. it worked great. the pmh fired every other side, pulsing the opposing pole. So essentially it was only on half the time but had a pretty good amount of torque compared to other pulse motors we have made in the past. If we had another PMH out of phase it would have really spun. or another reed to reverse the polarities. Im sure he will post video as soon as he tidies it up. So this does work as a motor as long as you have a switch.

Also with just battery hooked up with no switch we could spin the rotor and it almost sustained spin. It would push opposing poles, then attract the incoming poles, make the complete revolution and push the opposing poles again.
Could someone please tell me if im way off base in my last 2 posts

[John_K]

Hi Aaron,

The neos stay in the centre wherever I place them, they don't turn on their own accord.

I tried pulsing like you said but the neo did not move. I tried various different angles and the neo didn't seem to move at all on the ceramic. (the ceramic and neo do get thrown off the top of the coil when I pulse it though)

As per your edit, the magnets maybe too small to see the effect.

I imagine that they should turn according to the magnetic spins though. I did do the experiment John B showed on the EFTV DVD with the Faraday motor which did teach me that the North and South magnets do spin in opposite directions.


John K.

What you're seeing is imperfections but do you think the neos are turned
on the GT3 wheel because of that?

You say they are staying in the center but are they staying so all the
edges are parallel with the edges of the ceramic magnet or are they turned
at an angle while keeping their own center over the ceramic magnet
center?

If they are square, then watch what happens when a coil is pulsed
on the north face of the ceramic. Does the neo still stay square with the
ceramic or does it turn?

Remember that the neo is not restricted in its movement.

If it moves when the coil is pulsed on the N face, do you think it turns
because of casting problems in the magnet?

edit: on smaller magnets and coils, the effect may not be as pronounced
as it is on a giant machine.

[Aaron]

@RedRichie

No aaron The field spins. Like a vortex, just like you showed in those pictures with the statue.
GordyP made a small motor yesterday using the PMH as the driver. It is 4 alternating pole ceramics on basically a CD using a VCR bearing. Was just to test functionality. He found a small reed that fires only on the south poles like a Hall. it worked great. the pmh fired every other side, pulsing the opposing pole. So essentially it was only on half the time but had a pretty good amount of torque compared to other pulse motors we have made in the past. If we had another PMH out of phase it would have really spun. or another reed to reverse the polarities. Im sure he will post video as soon as he tidies it up. So this does work as a motor as long as you have a switch.

Also with just battery hooked up with no switch we could spin the rotor and it almost sustained spin. It would push opposing poles, then attract the incoming poles, make the complete revolution and push the opposing poles again.
Could someone please tell me if im way off base in my last 2 posts

This sounds great! If you can post diagrams, schematic of switch, etc...,
I think you and Cody might be the first to figure out John's axle motor.

The concept you explain makes sense but if everyone can see visual
diagrams, that makes a huge difference.

[Aaron]

@John

The neos stay in the centre wherever I place them, they don't turn on their own accord.

If you had them on a wheel and spun the wheel, you might see it.

In any case, I wouldn't worry about having to get them to turn on their
own - as long as you're moving forward, that is all that matters.

RedRichie just posted something very exciting in my opinion and I think
everything will get more exciting very soon

[redrichie]

i just wanted to be clear this setup was constructed by new member gordyp. i will have him get it ready. the weird thing is this motor has a lot of torque to be so small. way more than other pm that we have made in the past. also the pmh that gordyp has is really not all that powerful as pmh. at least not as far as i can tell compared to others pmh's. it is thinner u bolt with 2 solenoid coils. it was just to try it out. it was very encouraging last night. when i saw it i could not believe it really. even though it is exactly what we were setting out to do.

[Jetijs]

i just wanted to be clear this setup was constructed by new member gordyp. i will have him get it ready. the weird thing is this motor has a lot of torque to be so small. way more than other pm that we have made in the past. also the pmh that gordyp has is really not all that powerful as pmh. at least not as far as i can tell compared to others pmh's. it is thinner u bolt with 2 solenoid coils. it was just to try it out. it was very encouraging last night. when i saw it i could not believe it really. even though it is exactly what we were setting out to do.

Sounds awesome!
Please post diagrams ASAP

[Armagdn03]

i just wanted to be clear this setup was constructed by new member gordyp. i will have him get it ready. the weird thing is this motor has a lot of torque to be so small. way more than other pm that we have made in the past. also the pmh that gordyp has is really not all that powerful as pmh. at least not as far as i can tell compared to others pmh's. it is thinner u bolt with 2 solenoid coils. it was just to try it out. it was very encouraging last night. when i saw it i could not believe it really. even though it is exactly what we were setting out to do.

You have my attention.