Bedini Ferris Wheel Regauging Motor

[Bit's-n-Bytes]

Jetry, this would be an indication of a heavy sulfated battery. What is the resting voltage? A healthy battery would rest at about 12.6 for a fully charged batt, and about 12.2 for a 80% discharged batt. If sulfation is present (even if it is new, sulfation can happen), your batt might be resting at 10.5 and show great gains while being charged but quickly return to this level. Keep pulsing it for about an hour, then let it rest for a while. Take the reading of the voltage and pulse it again for an hour. Do you see gain? If so keep going. If not, place a load on the batt and draw it down to 10.5. Repeat this process as long as you see gains. If after three times and still no change, you may have a shorted cell and its time for a new batt.

Hope this helps.

Jeff

@jetry, to keep this thread on track, please start a new one on cap pulsing. I and others can assist you better.

Thanks

Jeff

[John_K]

John K
Could you please direct me to the schematic for the Bedini/Cole circuit, with hall switching?
Thank you
Brian

Brian,

It has been posetd in this thread several times. Check the first few pages.


John K.

[Turion]

Armagdn03.
That is how you would do it, Erfinder is right in what he is saying but you want to self bias this from the pulse and he is correct with the statement untwisted wires. Now I'm going to say something I should not. Floyd Sweet was privileged to work with the Germans after WW2.

He pulled this trick on me with the VTA except I caught him and was booted out he only made it look like he condition the magnets . The Germans already had developed, kept away from the people rotating mag amps and Sweet worked on them. ( He was an electromagnetic expert in this field)

It was funny to me when I would go over to Sweet's place with the coils I wound for him and when I would leave it would be working the next day. I asked him to remove the 100 watt power Amplifier and he refused so I left then was asked to never return by Tom Bearden, Tom did not know as I never told him.

Tom even brought one over to me to test away from Foyd's house where it was working before Tom left to have it tested. Floyd went nuts when Tom told him he was testing this at my shop. It did not work.

So what ever GE had knowalage of , Floyd knew How, but I can make this machine work either way. Erfinder is right and should continue to experiment with this. The Germans already had over unity devices and were using them and the Mag Amp was at the root of that. I also suspect even if Peter was right in his talk that The Lockridge device may have been that built into a generator, why because of the way the coils were arranged nn ss nn ss and the case was cut, I will discuss it with him when he come to my shop.
John B

John,
I am one of these people who reads and reads and reads before I build something. I am NOT SMART enough to deviate even a tiny bit from what I am advised to do, and still get it working. I have very little experience in electronics. I have gone through this site from front to back several times copying and pasting info into a word document to help me with my build. And I keep coming back to this quote as I plan the construction of my 6' wheel. Would not the concept of biasing the coils apply here as well?? I don't see how Pre bias is accomplished in the setups we have been discussing. I can think of one way to do it, but it would mean adding something that has not been discussed here. Am I missing something?? As I said, I don't know THAT much about electronics. Here is something I read tonight about how it appliess in a field you are incredibly familiar with..

"...the coils are in a neutral position relative to the magnet system and reside in what should be a relatively uniform flux field. Once loaded onto the record and tracking force is applied to the suspension, the orientation of the coils is now such that the top of the coil is closer to the rear magnet or pole piece and the bottom of the coils is closer to the front pole piece or magnet and no longer in the uniform flux field and the relatively linear magnetic field that provided. I say relatively because nothing is perfect. While it has been discussed for many years, the concept of providing a uniform flux field for the coils to "reside" in during playback has been considered with a variety of solutions. Exotic magnet and pole piece materials, ring magnets, disc magnets, etc., have been considered and all can be effective to one degree or another given the proper execution of the design and quality of materials. In the Delos, Jonathan Carr has offered a mechanical solution of introducing a pre-bias to the coil alignment..."

I realize it may not totally apply, as some of this has to do with physical location, but I thought it might be of interest. Again, please excuse me if I am so far out in left field that I am beyond the fence.


"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them." Galileo Galilei

[nvisser]

Turion
I just get the feeling that if we build the setup as John told us, with all the windings in parallel, the 2 slave coil resistances half that of the master coil and with the coil magnet offsets as Jerdee showed the self biasing of the mag amp from the pulse will happen automatic.
If the 2 mag amp windings were to be dc biased seperate , John would have told us and they would not be in parallel with the other windings.
Vissie

[John_K]

Turion
I just get the feeling that if we build the setup as John told us, with all the windings in parallel, the 2 slave coil resistances half that of the master coil and with the coil magnet offsets as Jerdee showed the self biasing of the mag amp from the pulse will happen automatic.
If the 2 mag amp windings were to be dc biased seperate , John would have told us and they would not be in parallel with the other windings.
Vissie

Hi Vissie,

I was just thinking the same thing - how do we get the mag amp to work? The way I see it is that if all the coils are in parallel, then the Bedini/Coil switch will "short" the thinner wires when the transistors switch on. Would this not bias the coil? When the transistors switch off the thinner windings are now "open" so the inductance changes?

Am I on the right train?


John K.

[redrichie]

PMH motor. Had best run speed/torque with magnets in this position. Cant wait to try it on bp switch. runs at about 50-60 rpms. draws 10-20mA using just a modified relay as a switch for now. metal plate is a flywheel from a copier. good bearings.

[redrichie]

one more view.

[John_K]

JK's Bedini GT1

Hi Folks,

I have my setup running on a hall triggered Bedini/Cole circuit now as well as cap pulsing.

It's running well but I didn't get time to buy some zeners for the SCR today, so I'm using 4 x 1N4004's in series with the 2 x 2.8V super bright LEDs.

It is going way too fast, about 50 RPM so I think I need to reduce the dwell time on the halls some more. (Thanks again to Ren for the halls!)

It's charging the heck out of the secondary battery and the run battery also appears to be gaining a bit. But I've been tricked by these crap gel-cells before so I'm not reading too much into that.

Here's a short (low quality) YouTube video YouTube - Bedini S1GT

Thanks John B for all your tips, it works just like you said it would


John K.

[Bit's-n-Bytes]

Hi Folks,

I have my setup running on a hall triggered Bedini/Cole circuit now as well as cap pulsing.

It's running well but I didn't get time to buy some zeners for the SCR today, so I'm using 4 x 1N4004's in series with the 2 x 2.8V super bright LEDs.

It is going way too fast, about 50 RPM so I think I need to reduce the dwell time on the halls some more. (Thanks again to Ren for the halls!)

It's charging the heck out of the secondary battery and the run battery also appears to be gaining a bit. But I've been tricked by these crap gel-cells before so I'm not reading too much into that.

Here's a short (low quality) YouTube video YouTube - Bedini S1GT

Thanks John B for all your tips, it works just like you said it would


John K.

Great Job John K.

Jeff

[Mark]

Hello John K

What is your trigger transistor, couldn't here you in the video sounded like 2N2055. I've been using the MPSA06, is there much difference?

Thanks, Mark

[Les_K]

Hi Folks,

I have my setup running on a hall triggered Bedini/Cole circuit now as well as cap pulsing.

It's running well but I didn't get time to buy some zeners for the SCR today, so I'm using 4 x 1N4004's in series with the 2 x 2.8V super bright LEDs.

It is going way too fast, about 50 RPM so I think I need to reduce the dwell time on the halls some more. (Thanks again to Ren for the halls!)

It's charging the heck out of the secondary battery and the run battery also appears to be gaining a bit. But I've been tricked by these crap gel-cells before so I'm not reading too much into that.

Here's a short (low quality) YouTube video YouTube - Bedini S1GT

Thanks John B for all your tips, it works just like you said it would


John K.

Awesome John K,
I am curious about your coil. I thought only the two outside coils had the core(Welding rods) protruding and the center was not. Did I miss something?
I got my center coil made, just wondering if I did it wrong.


Les

[Turion]

Les_K,
According to my notes, the center coil has the core protruding through the plate into the wood two inches on John's big machine. Hope that helps.



"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them." Galileo Galilei

[Mark]

Les_K,
According to my notes, the center coil has the core protruding through the plate into the wood two inches on John's big machine. Hope that helps.

South hemiphere core sticks up through top and north hemisphere core sticks out through bottom.

[Les_K]

Les_K,
According to my notes, the center coil has the core protruding through the plate into the wood two inches on John's big machine. Hope that helps.

Ok, Back to the shop...


Thanks
Les

[Sawt2]

Brian,

It has been posetd in this thread several times. Check the first few pages.


John K.

Thank you John
Somehow I missed those
Would the MJL21194 &93 work for the circuit instead of the MJE's?
Brian