Bedini Ferris Wheel Regauging Motor

[uusedman]

Second part of the Machining section of motor done. I took off blades and now I have a nice rotor. The rotor seems to have alot of friction and a little not centered. I need helped of how to clean the rotor and decrease the friction. What is the next step?

Also, I want to start ordering coils, magnets, and maybe a better bearing/shaft to the back of the rotor to run a large wheel. John, can you pour some of your suggestions?

Thanks

[John_Bedini]

Bedini Big Motor

John K ,
Lets start over, The motor I presented in the pictures.
I said that if you live in the northern hemisphere that the south pole of the coil must extend through the coil, and no do not turn the motor upside down.
John you live in the southern hemisphere so the pole piece must be extended towards the wheel for the geometry to work with the shield.

I don't know this device may be a little to advanced to work with here.

I have moved the pole piece out of the core so that the right angles meet at the shield, so what I'm doing is causing a delay in the magnetic field by closing it in. I said that four coils are wound on one coil form two #15 wires and two #18 wires. The # 18 wires are control wires the two 15 wires are power wires, look up the definition for Mag Amp. understand what a Mag Amp is and how it control's energy, self biased inside the coil.

The Magnetic Amplifier is a lost art but controlled things very well including power. The side coils are at 1/2 the impedance of the main coil but are nothing more then slaves. When I started this project I wanted to know if ED's theory worked, my answer is it does.

Now if I control the magnetic amplifier ("Main Coil Center") I can control the power to the main coil for recovery. ( you must have experience in magnetic amplifiers to do it my way but I do not know how many do have that)

Just build a simple SG with a Bedini /Cole switch and collect the charge then pulse it back to the secondary battery using a reed with a fet while the motor is off. You must also remember I'm an Analog guy not a Digital guy so I'm not doing anything with digital chips here.

Do not put the bridge on the out side of the switch make sure that the single diode bridge is connected right inside the switch and the wires go directly to the capacitor.
Hope this helps.
John

Thanks John,

Soething like this? (see pic below)


John K.

[mklimesh]

Bedini S1GT

Was able to get enough shop time in today to put a shaft in a 33inch plastic wheel and attach 16 magnets to it.
Hope to get time tomorrow to make the timing wheel.

Mike Klimesh

[nvisser]

John K ,
I said that four coils are wound on one coil form two #15 wires and two #18 wires. The # 18 wires are control wires the two 15 wires are power wires, look up the definition for Mag Amp. understand what a Mag Amp is and how it control's energy, self biased inside the coil.
The Magnetic Amplifier is a lost art but controlled things very well including power. The side coils are at 1/2 the impedance of the main coil but are nothing more then slaves. When I started this project I wanted to know if ED's theory worked, my answer is it does.
Now if I control the magnetic amplifier ("Main Coil Center") I can control the power to the main coil for recovery. ( you must have experience in magnetic amplifiers to do it my way but I do not know how many do have that)
John

This is amazing! I have noticed a while ago that the Inductance on the output windings of a transformer change a lot when I short the input winding so somebody on this forum told me about this control winding to control the transformer output.
Do you adjust the dc to the control coil for best performance on the reactive pulse?

This is how Wiki defines the magnetic amplifier .
The amount of control current fed into the control winding sets the point in the AC winding waveform at which either core will saturate. In saturation, the AC winding on the saturated core will go from a high impedance state ("off") into a very low impedance state ("on") - that is, the control current controls at which voltage the mag amp switches "on".
A relatively small DC current on the control winding is able to control or switch large AC currents on the AC windings. This results in current amplification.
Magnetic amplifier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Here is another interesting website
Homemade Magnetic Amplifiers.

[erfinder]

This is amazing! I have noticed a while ago that the Inductance on the output windings of a transformer change a lot when I short the input winding so somebody on this forum told me about this control winding to control the transformer output.

Finally, someone else is experiencing this phenomena and talking about it....I was experimenting some time ago, Armagdn03 can vouch for this as I mentioned the experiment to him....I was trying to find a simple method for dynamically changing the inductance of a coil....the idea was to charge a coil in a low impedance state and allow it to discharge in a high impedance state. I wanted the inductive kickback of a high impedance, and the charging time constant of a low impedance coil.

Charge the coil in low impedance mode, and then switch the coil impedance characteristic to high and discharge the coil at a higher impedance.

This task was accomplished using a trifilar coil (untwisted). Two of the windings are connected in series, and the third winding is the control....

The two series connected windings measured 36mH. When the third (control) winding was shorted on itself it the inductance of the series connected windings dropped to 3.6mH, thats a change of 10:1, and all you did to get that incredible change was short the third (control) winding on itself...

I apologize if this interrupted the flow of this thread, I only mentioned it cause I feel it relates to mag amplifiers....again...please forgive the interruption.

Regards

[nvisser]

The cap pulsar

So to everybody that is trying to build this machine you need to figure how I'm switching the power to the secondary batteries, do I have any takers....... forget page 43 I just said you could do it that way.
John B

The cap pulsar
John only used the negative side. Only black wires entered the box. No positive reference to do the switching.
So between the 2 black wires going into the box we have the cap voltage minis the battery voltage. 42V- 36V= 6V
If you measure with a voltmeter over that two wires while the switch is open and the cap is on 42v the battery side will be positive and the cap side negative .
So here is the circuit as I think it could be when using solid state relays. I never used them before but the information that I can get tells me they are opto devices and the input is a led that switch on at about 3 to 4 Volts.
I could not test it as I do not have a SSR yet.

[John_K]

John K ,
Lets start over, The motor I presented in the pictures.
I said that if you live in the northern hemisphere that the south pole of the coil must extend through the coil, and no do not turn the motor upside down.
John you live in the southern hemisphere so the pole piece must be extended towards the wheel for the geometry to work with the shield.

I don't know this device may be a little to advanced to work with here.

I have moved the pole piece out of the core so that the right angles meet at the shield, so what I'm doing is causing a delay in the magnetic field by closing it in. I said that four coils are wound on one coil form two #15 wires and two #18 wires. The # 18 wires are control wires the two 15 wires are power wires, look up the definition for Mag Amp. understand what a Mag Amp is and how it control's energy, self biased inside the coil.

The Magnetic Amplifier is a lost art but controlled things very well including power. The side coils are at 1/2 the impedance of the main coil but are nothing more then slaves. When I started this project I wanted to know if ED's theory worked, my answer is it does.

Now if I control the magnetic amplifier ("Main Coil Center") I can control the power to the main coil for recovery. ( you must have experience in magnetic amplifiers to do it my way but I do not know how many do have that)

Just build a simple SG with a Bedini /Cole switch and collect the charge then pulse it back to the secondary battery using a reed with a fet while the motor is off. You must also remember I'm an Analog guy not a Digital guy so I'm not doing anything with digital chips here.

Do not put the bridge on the out side of the switch make sure that the single diode bridge is connected right inside the switch and the wires go directly to the capacitor.
Hope this helps.
John

Hey John,

Yes it does help. I did some research on a Mag Amp, but need to do more.

I blew up my PIC the other day, so I'm an Analog guy until I get another one. (Maybe it happened for a reason)

This device is very advanced but I think with just building it I will "get it" in time. Thanks for your patience. I'm really keen to get something working, for now I will just get the Monopole with the Bedini/Cole switch working as this is first base.

I sent you a PM.


John K.

[minoly]

Mini GT

Ok we got so excited about this thread Tuesday, we cannibalized one of our 3PM kits, we don’t have a wheel large enough for 16 large magnets w/ ample spacing, is that going to be an absolute killer?
YouTube - min2oly's Channel

What we’re doing here w/ the bipolar ckt is reminiscent of the zero force motor, however, we are attempting to choke it of and squeeze/amplify a spike out of it?

A couple of days go by and so many tweaks have happened. We post the link only to show we are working on it :-)
P’n’S

[Armagdn03]

Finally, someone else is experiencing this phenomena and talking about it....I was experimenting some time ago, Armagdn03 can vouch for this as I mentioned the experiment to him....I was trying to find a simple method for dynamically changing the inductance of a coil....the idea was to charge a coil in a low impedance state and allow it to discharge in a high impedance state. I wanted the inductive kickback of a high impedance, and the charging time constant of a low impedance coil.

Charge the coil in low impedance mode, and then switch the coil impedance characteristic to high and discharge the coil at a higher impedance.

This task was accomplished using a trifilar coil (untwisted). Two of the windings are connected in series, and the third winding is the control....

The two series connected windings measured 36mH. When the third (control) winding was shorted on itself it the inductance of the series connected windings dropped to 3.6mH, thats a change of 10:1, and all you did to get that incredible change was short the third (control) winding on itself...

I apologize if this interrupted the flow of this thread, I only mentioned it cause I feel it relates to mag amplifiers....again...please forgive the interruption.

Regards

Oh I remember, It was a brilliant scheme, took people a while to catch up to you!

This is definitely an interesting thread, people are asking good questions, intent is positive, Respect being given to the inventor....Love it, absolutely love it....Im so proud!

[John_Bedini]

Big Bedini Motor

Armagdn03.
That is how you would do it, Erfinder is right in what he is saying but you want to self bias this from the pulse and he is correct with the statement untwisted wires. Now I'm going to say something I should not. Floyd Sweet was privileged to work with the Germans after WW2.

He pulled this trick on me with the VTA except I caught him and was booted out he only made it look like he condition the magnets . The Germans already had developed, kept away from the people rotating mag amps and Sweet worked on them. ( He was an electromagnetic expert in this field)

It was funny to me when I would go over to Sweet's place with the coils I wound for him and when I would leave it would be working the next day. I asked him to remove the 100 watt power Amplifier and he refused so I left then was asked to never return by Tom Bearden, Tom did not know as I never told him.

Tom even brought one over to me to test away from Foyd's house where it was working before Tom left to have it tested. Floyd went nuts when Tom told him he was testing this at my shop. It did not work.

So what ever GE had knowalage of , Floyd knew How, but I can make this machine work either way. Erfinder is right and should continue to experiment with this. The Germans already had over unity devices and were using them and the Mag Amp was at the root of that. I also suspect even if Peter was right in his talk that The Lockridge device may have been that built into a generator, why because of the way the coils were arranged nn ss nn ss and the case was cut, I will discuss it with him when he come to my shop.
John B

[John_Bedini]

Big Bedini Motor

minoly,
Excellent work....... Happy Thanksgiving to everybody.
John Bedini

Ok we got so excited about this thread Tuesday, we cannibalized one of our 3PM kits, we don’t have a wheel large enough for 16 large magnets w/ ample spacing, is that going to be an absolute killer?
YouTube - min2oly's Channel

What we’re doing here w/ the bipolar ckt is reminiscent of the zero force motor, however, we are attempting to choke it of and squeeze/amplify a spike out of it?

A couple of days go by and so many tweaks have happened. We post the link only to show we are working on it :-)
P’n’S

[ren]

Erfinder, I remember us chatting about this and the Tesla patent Good to see you here champ.

John K I think JB means like this? Im puzzled by the significance of this. I think its time to convert one of my monopoles.

@ John Bedini. Given Erfinders points above, does the Ferris wheel operate like he stated?

The axial arrangement is in series, this would be your high impedance/inductance arrangement, the radial set of coils in this instance being the low impedance arrangement. So pulses into the radial coils could be discharged (directly, or stored capacitive discharge) into the axial arrangement. You have those coils shorted through a bridge to your source or charging battery perhaps. Im also interested in your comments regarding the placement of the bridge. Ive tried both ways (without knowing the significance) I need to go back and rework one of the circuits.

Im gonna have to break out the 21193's out and find my halls (and mosfets, eek )

Regards

[John_K]

Hey Ren,

Can you call me or Skype? My number is on my website.


John K.

[John_Bedini]

Big Bedini Motor

Ren,
I never post anything I have not done. I do not know why you are so intent on the axial motor .You do not need to use it as you can see if you collect the charge right. And believe me you need to put the diodes where I say to put them or you will loose. You find no outside bridge on my machine. 36 volts is a killer if you do not do what I say.

The axial motor is one of my experiments in power, I have another use for that. This motor is for idle mode to check the re-gauging theory along with ED's theory on magnetic streams it can also be used for a generator, and yes Radus is right and so is ED.

I only built this machine to prove a point that it could be done many ways. The bridge away from the direct source may not collect everything, so just put it where I say please.
I can see that your going to change things so good luck.

John K I can talk to myself and not in a private meeting places. so no offence just the way I feel with this comment.
John B

Erfinder, I remember us chatting about this and the Tesla patent Good to see you here champ.

John K I think JB means like this? Im puzzled by the significance of this. I think its time to convert one of my monopoles.

@ John Bedini. Given Erfinders points above, does the Ferris wheel operate like he stated?

The axial arrangement is in series, this would be your high impedance/inductance arrangement, the radial set of coils in this instance being the low impedance arrangement. So pulses into the radial coils could be discharged (directly, or stored capacitive discharge) into the axial arrangement. You have those coils shorted through a bridge to your source or charging battery perhaps. Im also interested in your comments regarding the placement of the bridge. Ive tried both ways (without knowing the significance) I need to go back and rework one of the circuits.

Im gonna have to break out the 21193's out and find my halls (and mosfets, eek )

Regards

[ren]

Ren,
I never post anything I have not done. I do not know why you are so intent on the axial motor .You do not need to use it as you can see if you collect the charge right. And believe me you need to put the diodes where I say to put them or you will loose. You find no outside bridge on my machine. 36 volts is a killer if you do not do what I say.

The axial motor is one of my experiments in power, I have another use for that. This motor is for idle mode to check the re-gauging theory along with ED's theory on magnetic streams it can also be used for a generator, and yes Radus is right and so is ED.

I only built this machine to prove a point that it could be done many ways. The bridge away from the direct source may not collect everything, so just put it where I say please.
I can see that your going to change things so good luck.

John K I can talk to myself and not in a private meeting places. so no offence just the way I feel with this comment.
John B

Im sorry John, Im not sure if I expressed myself clearly. Im intent on the axial part of the ferris wheel motor, but Im studying the significance of the large base coil/s as well. I have a 16 pole rotor Im converting to all norths out, Id like to build a 1/2 circuit to play around with and bounce ideas off with John Koorn (I wish we lived closer John K ) The intent for me is to build it as close as possible to what you have presented, understanding how the geometry is important as well as the circuits. Im looking forward to re-visiting the Bedini Cole circuits again, its an awesome circuit.

I made a guess as to how it could be arranged, and this is not how you have designed it to operate. I will definately be putting the bridge as close as possible to the switch.

Thanks for your time.

Regards