Bedini Ferris Wheel Regauging Motor

[Les_K]

Les K,
So lets get into this a little more as I see something very different that is taking place. Hendershot also had this motor and no galvanic action taking place. I also have seen this with very old coils LaserSaber also said that you could do it with insulated copper wire if you used two different sizes. ED L also said the same thing with Iron wire. you should John K please explain a little more also why you see it this way.
John B

I missed lasersaber saying it could be done with copper of two different sizes. That really does change things....A lot! Ok; instead of building I am sitting here on the edge of the chair glued to the screen puzzled and pondering! Am I back to latency in the system? Differential between the current flow? Diameter of the flux path in relation to the wire in a bifiler coil? If pulsed there is a measurable difference or gap between them in the flow of flux and current is there not? is this difference or space between them creating a boch wall in which radiant can enter? and is this happening all along the distance of the wire as it switches on or off (ie: pumping the vacuum)?

Les

[John_K]

John B,

What I think is that because Iron is more paramagnetic than Copper (Iron is attracted to magnets more than Copper) it is soaking up more magnets than copper out of the aether. There are always going to be more magnets in an Iron bar than a Copper bar. (I'm talking about un-magnetized, just sitting there)

Now normally if you placed a compass near an Iron bar you would not see any deflection because the Iron bar is at the same "magnetic" potential as the aether. It is balanced with nature if you like.

So now if you look at a Stubblefield coil with one Iron wire and one Copper wire you have one wire (the Iron) that has a larger number of magnets in it than the other. Both wires on their own are balanced with the aether, but here's the kicker - when you join the Iron wire to the Copper wire there is a difference of magnetic potential between the two wires. This is why the compass deflects.

As seen in Laserslayers awesome videos, they compass will deflect opposite ways depending on which Iron and Copper wires are connected together. This is because the magnetic spins oppose each other (like the Faraday motor experiment).

I think too that the compass is deflecting because the soft Iron core is being magnetized by the difference in magnetic potentials. I would have liked to see in the video if one end of the coil showed the opposite magnetic polarity than the other - i.e. one end North and the other South.

I also think that if Laserslayer had used R60 rods instead of a solid core he would have seen better results as this would have reduced eddy currents.

Lastly, the effect is stronger when the coil is moistened. As we all know, water is a better conductor of "electricity" than air. This is easy to see during a thunderstorm when the air is more humid. Since it's my opinion that "electricity" is formed by magnets, the same is true with the Stubblefield coil - the wetter the "electrolyte" the more magnets are captured by the Iron wire.

So that's the way I see it. I have no idea or any bench time that proves this theory - so please tell me if I'm on the wrong planet

My theory on gravity and why the planets orbit the sun and the moon orbit the planets is along the same lines, but that discussion is for another thread, another time.

I hope this makes sense...


John K.

Les K,
So lets get into this a little more as I see something very different that is taking place. Hendershot also had this motor and no galvanic action taking place. I also have seen this with very old coils LaserSaber also said that you could do it with insulated copper wire if you used two different sizes. ED L also said the same thing with Iron wire. you should John K please explain a little more also why you see it this way.
John B

[John_Bedini]

Bedini GT3

John K and Les K,
I'm going to answer this but I just want a little more time to finish this experiment. I'm on to something here and I want everybody to do it.
John B

[redrichie]

John K,
I have no experiment to show me either. But wouldnt it be more beneficial to try and stop moisture from causing a galvanic reaction quicker, thus deteriorating the coil faster. Putting the NS coil in a box while underground would help a little. Also, once a galvanic reaction takes place and corrodes the wires, is this the same as sulphation of a battery? and if so couldnt radiant from a make and break switch keep this sulphation from happening or is this a different process from a LA batt.
I have been wondering about something since John has started talking about the Ferris wheel and the coil. Is it possible that NS had his cores sticking out of the bottom of the coil and possibly out of the box into the ground to help gather magnets. I know it does not show on the patent drawing, but somehow I dont think that matters. Like John says, why was Tesla there to see the experiments of a farmer. NS was doing something more than wireless telephone. Hard to make a self generating coil when the drawing has had a small section omitted. But this is just purely speculation.

[John_K]

redrichie,

Good questions. I don't have the answers other than speculating either.

I read some work on Tesla where he would immerse his coils in oil in a wooden box, but this was more to prevent HV arcing between the windings. Just thowing it out there...


John K.

John K,
I have no experiment to show me either. But wouldnt it be more beneficial to try and stop moisture from causing a galvanic reaction quicker, thus deteriorating the coil faster. Putting the NS coil in a box while underground would help a little. Also, once a galvanic reaction takes place and corrodes the wires, is this the same as sulphation of a battery? and if so couldnt radiant from a make and break switch keep this sulphation from happening or is this a different process from a LA batt.
I have been wondering about something since John has started talking about the Ferris wheel and the coil. Is it possible that NS had his cores sticking out of the bottom of the coil and possibly out of the box into the ground to help gather magnets. I know it does not show on the patent drawing, but somehow I dont think that matters. Like John says, why was Tesla there to see the experiments of a farmer. NS was doing something more than wireless telephone. Hard to make a self generating coil when the drawing has had a small section omitted. But this is just purely speculation.

[BrentA929]

Want it to be right!

John B,

I really am trying to understand and get a firm grasp on the numbers for the base coils...

And please forgive me, as I am not trying to disrupt the flow of the thread. I want to be apart of the current discussion, but truly feel compelled to get this stuff right!

Like you said...

FRC,
No the Joule Ringer circuit is limited and that would just make an eternal light if you could supply the capacitor with an endless stream of charging current for that device that is why I mentioned the use of the Captret but sooner or later that runs dead also because the capacitor leaks to much even if it is micro amperes.

I do not know why LaserSaber does not talk about it that much as he has made a nice discovery and needs to understand why the effect is there. I have tried to get him to talk but about it as I have seen some of the same things. This brings me to Hendeshot had the same motor. Science is Science and you can't change that. I have given all the information on the GT3 motor just build it the way I did don't change anything. You will get it to work.

Now I see the direction I should go in and must follow it to the end, that will not be in my lifetime. Something is just pulling at me about Iron wire and I'm just trying to give everybody the head's up. Negative energy zero point it's all the same thing, so it requires something different to work with it. But what LaserSaber has done is not new, just different. The circuit for this is very critical as it must join Germanium to silicon devices.
John B

First, thank you for the insight last night. However, the 125 ohms really threw me for a loop. Based on the engineering data sheet there are 0.3195 ohms/lb. for #15. That's 391.24 lbs. based on your number of 125 ohms for one bucket (which I'm assuming is a spool, I've never heard it called that), which can't be right. One of the spools (#15) that we received today weighs 84 lbs. and it measures 26.84 ohms both from the calculation and from a meter. What am I missing? These same discrepancies are probably why I can't figure out the measurements for the windings. If the slave coils are really 31.5 ohms as Jeremy has showed (which makes sense) and all the windings are in parallel then my calculations show needing some ridiculous (120,000 ft.) of #15 and (120,000 ft.) of #18 to get the 63 ohms for the center coil! *If the windings are all the same length* Calculating it with the power windings in series and the control windings in series makes it a little better, but still way off. Please advise me on what we are doing wrong!

Brent,
What is that you want to know, your very close to the answer. Each big coil took two buckets of wire #15 so that is a little over 200 lbs. Now since I have been working on something much different if memory serve me right one bucket of wire was 125 ohms not very much power at 12 volts, so 36V
Now you must also add in the two number 18 wires that was two buckets.
So yes you are very close. Now Back to the stubblefield coil that I point out. REDrichie, Yes that is what Ed was talking about. watch the video very careful. You may not need any battery, it's the switch that is important with that much wire. A reed will just blow up.
John

Also, thanks for the vote of confidence! Scott and I have worked really hard to duplicate your amazing work and have put forth much effort, energy and money to make it a reality. Just need your help in understanding how to make the numbers make sense.

Brent,
The thread is not heading in a different direction I'm here to help, looks like your ready to go. Nice wheel, looks like you have done a great job on that. I'm working on something else here but I'm here to help. I will start a new thread on that or have Aaron do it if I need to. I have always been exploring Stubblefield.

John

It's hard for me to believe that no one else has run into this!


As always, thank you!

Brent

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Edit: I forgot to show my work...

Maybe this will help you follow my train of thought

Inductors in parallel…

1/LT = 1/L1 + 1/L2 + 1/L3…

If you take the calculations (inductors in parallel) that were provided by Jeremy…

Slave________Center_______Slave
31.5 ohms____63.0 ohms____31.5 ohms___=___12.6 ohms

You get approximately 10,000 ft. (100 lbs.) of #15 on each slave coil = 31.5 ohms. To me that makes sense.

But here is where it doesn’t make any sense…

Parallel -

Power 1 (#15)_____Power 2 (#15)_____Control 1 (#18)_____Control 2 (#18)
1/190 ohms_______1/190 ohms_______1/380 ohms________1/380 ohms___=___63.33 ohms
594.68 lbs.________594.68 lbs.________295.95 lbs.________295.95 lbs.___=___1,781.26 lbs

Series –

Power wires_____Control wires
1/95 ohms_______1/190 ohms___=___63.33 ohms
47.5 ohms each___95 ohms each
297.34 lbs._______147.98 lbs.___=___445.32 lbs


Stuck on high center, Brent


***all numbers calculated from the Essex Wire engineering data sheets

[Les_K]

John B,

What I think is that because Iron is more paramagnetic than Copper (Iron is attracted to magnets more than Copper) it is soaking up more magnets than copper out of the aether. There are always going to be more magnets in an Iron bar than a Copper bar. (I'm talking about un-magnetized, just sitting there)

Now normally if you placed a compass near an Iron bar you would not see any deflection because the Iron bar is at the same "magnetic" potential as the aether. It is balanced with nature if you like.

So now if you look at a Stubblefield coil with one Iron wire and one Copper wire you have one wire (the Iron) that has a larger number of magnets in it than the other. Both wires on their own are balanced with the aether, but here's the kicker - when you join the Iron wire to the Copper wire there is a difference of magnetic potential between the two wires. This is why the compass deflects.

As seen in Laserslayers awesome videos, they compass will deflect opposite ways depending on which Iron and Copper wires are connected together. This is because the magnetic spins oppose each other (like the Faraday motor experiment).

I think too that the compass is deflecting because the soft Iron core is being magnetized by the difference in magnetic potentials. I would have liked to see in the video if one end of the coil showed the opposite magnetic polarity than the other - i.e. one end North and the other South.

I also think that if Laserslayer had used R60 rods instead of a solid core he would have seen better results as this would have reduced eddy currents.

Lastly, the effect is stronger when the coil is moistened. As we all know, water is a better conductor of "electricity" than air. This is easy to see during a thunderstorm when the air is more humid. Since it's my opinion that "electricity" is formed by magnets, the same is true with the Stubblefield coil - the wetter the "electrolyte" the more magnets are captured by the Iron wire.

So that's the way I see it. I have no idea or any bench time that proves this theory - so please tell me if I'm on the wrong planet

My theory on gravity and why the planets orbit the sun and the moon orbit the planets is along the same lines, but that discussion is for another thread, another time.

I hope this makes sense...


John K.

John K

Wow great thinking! I was wondering about some of what you were saying, but what threw me, was that part about using two copper wires...no Iron.
That concept left me a bit befuddled...


Les

[John_Bedini]

Bedini Gt3

Brent,
Tomorrow I will take all the measurements for you and we will see what the exact figures are.
Will give the resistance of each coil along with the inductance at 1 K
and at 120 Hz,
Consider it done will post tomorrow.
By the way you also will require the core size too.
John B

[BrentA929]

Coils

John B,

Awesome! Thanks!


Brent

Brent,
Tomorrow I will take all the measurements for you and we will see what the exact figures are.
Will give the resistance of each coil along with the impedance at 1 K
and at 120 Hz
Consider it done will post tomorrow.
John B

[John_Bedini]

Bedini GT3

Brent,
I can see what your trying to figure but I do not think I used that much wire That would be one big coil and I could not lift that. where did Jeremy post that? .

Your machine is going to be much different as you have scaled it down. what is the actual size of the machine? Mine is sixteen feet high. The wheel is almost 12 feet . The next question I have for you is, from the baseboard to the magnets how many inches do you have as I can see I must figure out your coil and the side coils.

I see that you have the copper so that is not the problem. The core I think is 3 inches across on all the coils but your machine is scaled down. So give me some figures here as your coils will not match mine at all. Also the bottom of my coils the core is at least 3 inches into the base on all of them and are you going to put the Iron shield in? so give me some measurements here so it will come out right. I will do all this but I do not think you have the space.
John B

[John_Bedini]

Bedini GT3

John K, Les K
I have done the experiment and yes you do get a differential using two copper wires of different size. You get a much bigger indication with just one Iron wire, yes one Iron wire made into a coil but you need many turns to do it. some how the earths magnetic field enters the coil and causes current but no voltage the same for copper and Aluminum wire.

You can't let anything when winding it touch anything or the effect does not work. So just an iron rod does nothing unless you plant it in the ground east to west and then you can see a slight Magnetic effect in the Iron. I know that you can not cut any magnetic fields as you just shape them . So it seems to me that the earths magnetic field can enter at 90 degrees to the poles.
This is a brain teaser.
John B

[John_K]

I can't wait to see the numbers on your coils John. I bought me an LC meter to take out the guess work with winding the coils.

BTW, I added a couple of slave coils to my setup. They weren't matched or anything I just wanted to see what they would do. The funny thing was that if I hooked up either of the slave coils the SCR would no longer switch and the cap would not dump. I haven't figured out why yet.


John K.

[John_K]

Oh John you are such a tease ;p

I think the Iron wire is like an antenna for the magnets and they enter the core at 90 degrees.

The voltage is low because the magnetic potential isn't much. The copper wire converts the magnetic current to "electrical" current that the meter can read. So the voltage is an indication of the potential difference of the magnets and the amps indicates how many magnets are in the core.

I'd imagine if the coil was made big both V and A would increase in a non-linear way.


John K.

John K, Les K
I have done the experiment and yes you do get a differential using two copper wires of different size. You get a much bigger indication with just one Iron wire, yes one Iron wire made into a coil but you need many turns to do it. some how the earths magnetic field enters the coil and causes current but no voltage the same for copper and Aluminum wire.

You can't let anything when winding it touch anything or the effect does not work. So just an iron rod does nothing unless you plant it in the ground east to west and then you can see a slight Magnetic effect in the Iron. I know that you can not cut any magnetic fields as you just shape them . So it seems to me that the earths magnetic field can enter at 90 degrees to the poles.
This is a brain teaser.
John B

[LaserSaber]

@John_K

I also think that if Laserslayer had used R60 rods instead of a solid core he would have seen better results as this would have reduced eddy currents.

My latest coil has a R60 welding rod core. It is a much better performing coil. I made other changes as well so I am not sure exactly which one thing made the biggest difference on this coil. It's been running different test motors off and on since last October. I used calcium chloride instead of salt water on it and it seems to have worked much better.

@John_Bedini

I have done the experiment and yes you do get a differential using two copper wires of different size. You get a much bigger indication with just one Iron wire, yes one Iron wire made into a coil but you need many turns to do it. some how the earths magnetic field enters the coil and causes current but no voltage the same for copper and Aluminum wire.

You can't let anything when winding it touch anything or the effect does not work. So just an iron rod does nothing unless you plant it in the ground east to west and then you can see a slight Magnetic effect in the Iron. I know that you can not cut any magnetic fields as you just shape them . So it seems to me that the earths magnetic field can enter at 90 degrees to the poles.

I think there my be a connection to the MagTap research I was doing. When I tried to detect current on a straight steel bar I could find almost nothing with my most sensitive meter. Later after putting a bend in the same bar I could detect current at certain points. another experiment I did was to take a roll of construction tie wire and check it for current while in a roll. I was always able to find current at certain specific points, like the inside to outside points of the toroid of tie wire. This was always just current with no detectable voltage.

What kind of iron coil did you make? When you say "You can't let anything when winding it touch anything or the effect does not work." I am having a hard time understanding what you mean. Did you make a free standing iron coil out of stiff iron wire? Is the wire coil free with space around itself like a corkscrew spring?

This type of research really fascinates me. I already know that I could make a small motor with this MagTap effect because when you nudge a needle on an analog unpowered ammeter it's no different than nudging the rotor of a motor. It's just at these low current levels it would have to a be master piece of engineering that would leave a master watchmaker jealous.

Thanks for all your great input.

[John_K]

Hi LaserSaber (sorry for miss-spelling your name),

Welcome and thanks for posting. Great videos! Very inspiring.

Thanks for the update. Just wondering, have you experimented with a NSNS rotor and dual reed switching on you Stubblefield coil?


John K.

@John_K



My latest coil has a R60 welding rod core. It is a much better performing coil. I made other changes as well so I am not sure exactly which one thing made the biggest difference on this coil. It's been running different test motors off and on since last October. I used calcium chloride instead of salt water on it and it seems to have worked much better.

Thanks for all your great input.