Bedini Ferris Wheel Regauging Motor

[FRC]

Great Work LaserSaber

Great work LaserSaber ! You sure have inspired a lot of us with your videos and
posts, even the master himself - John Bedini. If what he says happens, and all
the Bedini motors can be powered by these Stubblefeild methods then that sure
will be a major breakthrough ! Thanks LaserSaber, keep up the Great work !

FRC

[Les_K]

John K, Les K
I have done the experiment and yes you do get a differential using two copper wires of different size. You get a much bigger indication with just one Iron wire, yes one Iron wire made into a coil but you need many turns to do it. some how the earths magnetic field enters the coil and causes current but no voltage the same for copper and Aluminum wire.

You can't let anything when winding it touch anything or the effect does not work. So just an iron rod does nothing unless you plant it in the ground east to west and then you can see a slight Magnetic effect in the Iron. I know that you can not cut any magnetic fields as you just shape them . So it seems to me that the earths magnetic field can enter at 90 degrees to the poles.
This is a brain teaser.
John B

Brain teaser's are great! boy this one really got me thinking all right.
Although my thought's are still on the pulse. as Lasersaber connected and disconnected the leads. Great Vids LaserSaber, they are inspiring.

John B. this is fantastic to give us a broader understanding in the relationship between these devices and their relation to the earth and universe at large, yet I feel you have something more with this than we have touched on.

John K,
Wonderful view thanks for the descriptions I had never thought of current without voltage representing magnets. I am going to be thinking more about this for a while. At the moment I am still thinking I see tesla's mgnetic pulse wave in here somewhere which would be an indication of energy transmission I see the 3GT as having one or more of three key uses. transmission of power being one of them. maybe I'm just being hopefull/gullable but ......

Les

[genessc]

Hi Les,

What John said made some sense to me. If you use two wires that are the same dimensions in diameter and length and then they are the same "matter" either both copper or both iron, you have two like potentials sitting at the same inflow/outflow. (these inflow/outflows exist in ratio in all matter and are the unseen/unsensed flows that maintain this creation we live in, as it is)

The model is a point sphere model... however in a wire its extrapolated out a bit differently. The wire itself is a series of points connected to form a line which has an axis and which has a mid point halfway between either end. When this conductor is wound into an inductor, the mid-point shifts and becomes a plane of division at the middle of the coil, usually halfway between the top and bottom of the coil.

Copper has some ratio of inflow to outflow... This is what sets up the ambient balanced fields that sustain the copper in the form that its been refined into... that of a wire.

Iron also has some ratio of inflow to outflow... Which is different, necessarily, from the copper wire (or it would be percieved as the same element.)

One is more densely magnetic... the iron wire is ferromagnetic given its ability to sync more flux than it has at ambient while the copper wire which is more paramagnetic (less magneticly affected) has less ability to sync additional flux.

All Magnetic fields are PURE CURRENT fields. The matter emitting the magnetic field is where the voltage potential lies locked in the lattice and sustaining the divided flows of polar current.

I say all that to get to the point of noting that this would be why two copper wires of the same length but of a different diameter *might* be able to work like the lasersaber setup. The deltas are far more noticeable and probably usable between copper and iron however.

One other clarification, the less humid it is, the better charge is able to accumulate. Humidity allows the charge to bleed off while the more dry it is allows the charge to be pegged in place. (at least thats my understanding.) Thats based on reading the plauson and other "electricity from air" type patents. Seemed they always got best charge in the winter versus the humid summer.

Good stuff.

Take care,
Gene

John K

Wow great thinking! I was wondering about some of what you were saying, but what threw me, was that part about using two copper wires...no Iron.
That concept left me a bit befuddled...


Les

[Ron Chase]

Center and Slave Coils

John B,

I really am trying to understand and get a firm grasp on the numbers for the base coils...

And please forgive me, as I am not trying to disrupt the flow of the thread. I want to be apart of the current discussion, but truly feel compelled to get this stuff right!

Like you said...



First, thank you for the insight last night. However, the 125 ohms really threw me for a loop. Based on the engineering data sheet there are 0.3195 ohms/lb. for #15. That's 391.24 lbs. based on your number of 125 ohms for one bucket (which I'm assuming is a spool, I've never heard it called that), which can't be right. One of the spools (#15) that we received today weighs 84 lbs. and it measures 26.84 ohms both from the calculation and from a meter. What am I missing? These same discrepancies are probably why I can't figure out the measurements for the windings. If the slave coils are really 31.5 ohms as Jeremy has showed (which makes since) and all the windings are in parallel then my calculations show needing some ridiculous (120,000 ft.) of #15 and (120,000 ft.) of #18 to get the 63 ohms for the center coil! *If the windings are all the same length* Calculating it with the power windings in series and the control windings in series makes it a little better, but still way off. Please advise me on what we are doing wrong!



Also, thanks for the vote of confidence! Scott and I have worked really hard to duplicate your amazing work and have put forth much effort, energy and money to make it a reality. Just need your help in understanding how to make the numbers make since.



It's hard for me to believe that no one else has run into this!


As always, thank you!

Brent

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Edit: I forgot to show my work...

Maybe this will help you follow my train of thought

Inductors in parallel…

1/LT = 1/L1 + 1/L2 + 1/L3…

If you take the calculations (inductors in parallel) that were provided by Jeremy…

Slave Center Slave
31.5 ohms 63.0 ohms 31.5 ohms = 12.6 ohms

You get approximately 10,000 ft. (100 lbs.) of #15 on each slave coil = 31.5 ohms. To me that makes since.

But here is where it doesn’t make any since…

Parallel -

Power 1 (#15) Power 2 (#15) Control 1 (#18) Control 2 (#18)
1/190 ohms 1/190 ohms 1/380 ohms 1/380 ohms = 63.33 ohms
594.68 lbs. 594.68 lbs. 295.95 lbs. 295.95 lbs. = 1,781.26 lbs

Series –

Power wires Control wires
1/95 ohms 1/190 ohms = 63.33 ohms
47.5 ohms each 95 ohms each
297.34 lbs. 147.98 lbs. = 445.32 lbs


Stuck on high center, Brent


***all numbers calculated from the Essex Wire engineering data sheets

Hi Brent,

Great job designing and assembling your wheel! Here are some thoughts concerning the power and control wires.

If you consider only the #15 power wires in the three coils the math appears to work out OK for parallel impedance (resistors) if we have 31.5 ohm slave coils and a 63 ohm master coil (two #15 wires in series) with the total impedance of all coils in parallel being 12.6 ohms.

Using the basic calculation for two parallel impedances we find:

R1 = 63 ohms (center coil)
R2 = 15.75 ohms (two 31.5 ohm slave coils in parallel reduce to 15.75 ohms)

----------R1 x R2-----63 x 15.75----992.25
R total = ________ = __________ = _______ = 12.6 ohms

----------R1 + R2-----63 + 15.75----78.75

Calculating for the weight of the power wires with the information JB has given us also works out as long as you don't include the control wires.

JB said the three coils are hooked up in parallel but does that include the two #18 control wires? If so then it becomes quite difficult as you know to reconcile the numbers using the impedances we have been given. So what do we do with the two #18 "control"wires?

Review of the magamp articles found in this thread indicate three ways to saturate the core of our center coil to initiate an amplifying effect:

1. Close proximity of a magnetic field to the core. Outer wheel magnets.

2. Short the ends of the #15 control wires together.

3. Apply a DC voltage to to the control wires.

To create the amplifying effect of the above functions one could wind the two #18 control wires around the center coil core (in parallel or series) and short the ends together. The two #15 power wires in series would then be wound on top of the control wires.

This configuration may or may not be how JB constructed his coils but it does seem one way of reconciling the numbers.

Best Regards, Ron

[John_Bedini]

BediniGT3

Brent,
Hope this Helps this is as close as I could get. The coils are so big that everything interferes with them even a set of keys in your pocket changes them. Just the AC magnetic fields also change the measurements with the LCR Meter.
And by no means I'm a master at anything as I put my pants on the same way you do.
I was bitten by this bug a long time ago and have never rested in my relentless search for this energy. Your all bitten by this bug too.

But here are the numbers
Big Coil
DCR= 4 Ohms
L@ 1K= 861.5
L@120Hz = 1.126
R@ 1Khz= 27.23
R@120Hz= 4.752
Henrys 1.126
All with Iron core in place 3 inches in diameter

Side Coils
Best measurement I can do because of interference with LCR meter
DCR=10.2 Ohms
Total all inductors together
DCR 2.2 Ohms.
I must take the machine apart to do this much better and I'm not going to do that as this is a working machine.
I'm going to send this meter for test as I don't know if I can believe it and I will do this again.
I would believe my analog meter before I believe any of this digital stuff at this point. and DCR should give the answer. The Bedini/Cole Switch works best at 2 to 30 Ohms.
So I will be back with more measurements after the meter is tested.
John B

[Les_K]

genessc,
Thanks, I think you just explained poynting and heavyside. Well, back to the shop....


Les

[genessc]

Hi Les,

Yeah thats one way to look at it I suppose.
Those ideas of poynting and heaviside had to do with whats in the wire and whats outside the wire when an applied potential is applied to the wire from some "source".

Not so much the pre-existent fields that sustain matter that is perceivable to our senses. These fields are there on/in the wire without any other "source" attached. They ARE the wire. The visible sensed part of the wire is the part cohered to be sensed by our senses. It has a constant instreaming and outstreaming of current to maintain its state.

Its this "natural state" of the wire that is different between an Iron and a Copper conductor of the same length and diameter. Its this current field delta between the two wires being put in local relation via the shorting as shown by lasersaber that is acting on the compass in the lasersaber video.

Matter is, because of a potential aka voltage which sustains the current inflow/outflow at the right rate to sustain the *thing* in its current state, which then changes at a rate commiserate with the evolution of time on the relative planet. Growing a crystal takes time... wood breaking down takes time. Most of natures processes are not instant.

Our devices aren't able to measure the ambient truths tho there is a book by Manly p. Hall on "The dual theories of conductivity in metals" that sorta talks about Peltier effect and other similar effects of putting dissimilar metals in direct local relation to each other. It might be helpful if you've not browsed it before although its got a good bit of math in it. I'm not much of a mathie.

This is what makes sense to me at my current place in learning. It seems the stubblefield methods took advantage of these pre-existent fields which Are simply by the fact that the Wire is.

What seems to be lacking is what angular phase relationship has to be produced to generate the largest effect? The precision wound coil in lasersabers video gives a good starting point. I wonder if its the layers of alternation that let the effect become more significant?

Anyways thats how I see it. (hopefully its helpful)

John B,

You say a trifilar stator with 1 wire iron could potentially be made self running yeah? Which wire is the Iron wire? The trigger, the Power? Or is that the feedback winding which would then be the 3rd winding? (rather than the typical collector winding as the 3rd winding?)

I know the hardware store has plastic covered iron wire or steel wire... wonder if that would work for this purpose. Or if bailing wire is the best way to go.

I'm also still planning to make a Solid State SG (not via the resistance from collector to base) but rather using your suggestion to replace the rotor with a coil and a sine. I'm curious to see how that lets the SG circuit work. Hopefully I'll get to that before to much longer.

Take care guys,
Gene

genessc,
Thanks, I think you just explained poynting and heavyside. Well, back to the shop....


Les

[BrentA929]

Bedini GT3 "Junior"

John B,

Thank you for your willingness to help!!!

Brent,
I can see what your trying to figure but I do not think I used that much wire That would be one big coil and I could not lift that. where did Jeremy post that? .

Jeremy took the figures you gave us in Post #20 and ran the numbers and displayed them in post #30 (His drawing in this post shows 30.5, 61, and 30.5 ohms for the three coils, but later updates it to 31.5, 63, and 31.5 based on your post #42)

Our wheel diameter is 6 feet and weighs 87 pounds (see attached Wheel Dimensions.pdf). We have laid out a possible spool arrangement in AutoCAD and attached it as Coil Closeup.pdf. We have not nailed down our spool sizes yet. We were waiting till we were confident in the setup of the windings. The diagram shows 10.5" (flange diameter) spools with 3.5" barrels. We have the ability to specify the lengths of the barrels, but have randomly chosen 10" for the center and 5" for the slaves. Those can change and can even be the smaller 6.5" (flange diameter) spools with a 2.5" barrel. I think the geometry matters and we can definitely make the necessary adjustments.

Your machine is going to be much different as you have scaled it down. what is the actual size of the machine? Mine is sixteen feet high. The wheel is almost 12 feet . The next question I have for you is, from the baseboard to the magnets how many inches do you have as I can see I must figure out your coil and the side coils.

I see that you have the copper so that is not the problem. The core I think is 3 inches across on all the coils but your machine is scaled down. So give me some figures here as your coils will not match mine at all. Also the bottom of my coils the core is at least 3 inches into the base on all of them and are you going to put the Iron shield in? so give me some measurements here so it will come out right. I will do all this but I do not think you have the space.
John B

You should be able to see all the measurements in the attachments. We were thinking about 2" cores, but would love your input...


Thanks, Brent

[BrentA929]

Measurements

John B,

Thanks for the measurements...

Let me be with these for a while to let them sink in!


Brent

Brent,
Hope this Helps this is as close as I could get. The coils are so big that everything interferes with them even a set of keys in your pocket changes them. Just the AC magnetic fields also change the measurements with the LCR Meter.
And by no means I'm a master at anything as I put my pants on the same way you do.
I was bitten by this bug a long time ago and have never rested in my relentless search for this energy. Your all bitten by this bug too.

But here are the numbers
Big Coil
DCR= 4 Ohms
L@ 1K= 861.5
L@120Hz = 1.126
R@ 1Khz= 27.23
R@120Hz= 4.752
Henrys 1.126
All with Iron core in place 3 inches in diameter

Side Coils
Best measurement I can do because of interference with LCR meter
DCR=10.2 Ohms
Total all inductors together
DCR 2.2 Ohms.
I must take the machine apart to do this much better and I'm not going to do that as this is a working machine.
I'm going to send this meter for test as I don't know if I can believe it and I will do this again.
I would believe my analog meter before I believe any of this digital stuff at this point. and DCR should give the answer. The Bedini/Cole Switch works best at 2 to 30 Ohms.
So I will be back with more measurements after the meter is tested.
John B

[BrentA929]

Trying to understand

Hi Brent,

Great job designing and assembling your wheel! Here are some thoughts concerning the power and control wires.

If you consider only the #15 power wires in the three coils the math appears to work out OK for parallel impedance (resistors) if we have 31.5 ohm slave coils and a 63 ohm master coil (two #15 wires in series) with the total impedance of all coils in parallel being 12.6 ohms.

Using the basic calculation for two parallel impedances we find:

R1 = 63 ohms (center coil)
R2 = 15.75 ohms (two 31.5 ohm slave coils in parallel reduce to 15.75 ohms)

----------R1 x R2-----63 x 15.75----992.25
R total = ________ = __________ = _______ = 12.6 ohms

----------R1 + R2-----63 + 15.75----78.75

Calculating for the weight of the power wires with the information JB has given us also works out as long as you don't include the control wires.

JB said the three coils are hooked up in parallel but does that include the two #18 control wires? If so then it becomes quite difficult as you know to reconcile the numbers using the impedances we have been given. So what do we do with the two #18 "control"wires?

Review of the magamp articles found in this thread indicate three ways to saturate the core of our center coil to initiate an amplifying effect:

1. Close proximity of a magnetic field to the core. Outer wheel magnets.

2. Short the ends of the #15 control wires together.

3. Apply a DC voltage to to the control wires.

To create the amplifying effect of the above functions one could wind the two #18 control wires around the center coil core (in parallel or series) and short the ends together. The two #15 power wires in series would then be wound on top of the control wires.

This configuration may or may not be how JB constructed his coils but it does seem one way of reconciling the numbers.

Best Regards, Ron

Ron,

Thanks for your input...

I think what your saying makes sense! Just trying to wrap my head around all the numbers so we can wind all of our coils. (the right way)


Thanks, Brent

[John_Bedini]

Bedini GT3

LaserSaber and All,

The coil I made for test.

I took a welding rod core as I have always done 6 Inches long. I took zinc coated iron wire Red Brand #17 Gauge. I very carefully wound by hand the same way you did. I spaced the wire by hand to make sure that one Iron wire did not touch the other taped them in place then put a layer gauze over the top and repeated the process to the end. I did not wet anything. It was 1500 turns I could see the effect and that was all I was looking for at this time.

I have seen something else now and I will test it soon. I have seen things in the past done by other people but you can not always replicate them. It's now not important to me to try and replicate as the energy is a brush effect which is in everything. Logic says that just two different things will do this effect no matter what they may be. Reich call it Orgone Energy it's the charge around things and each thing has it's own charge. The difference is, can you build a device to collect it, as it is a very strange form of energy more like a fluid that is in a gas.

Your battery is already done in living things, but your not going to plant electrodes into yourself.
Now most materials are very costly to do this work but You have my attention, sorry for that. I say that you can take your energy from anything to drive that motor you have made, let's just say you drive two metals in a tree Iron and Magnesium the motor would run with any coil of high impedance. I live near old telegraph stations as I'm basically a jump from the forest where old mining towns are hidden but I need permission to go into them which I have. I have seen the telegraph equipment with dead batteries still working and nobody at the other end but the power is still there, so this energy to work needs very High Impedance to manifest itself into a working system.

The motor your showing with cylinder turning at the ends of a coil is what is termed as a Zero Force Motor if you would turn the rotor the other direction and ride the magnetic streams you would get a much better effect and the motor would be much faster as you then would have canceled Lenz's law and it can't generate anything. You must be very careful in using Neo magnets as Copper is very magnetic under that condition, The neo magnet and the spacing is very critical because it will saturate the core, that has happened to you with the soft iron.

The reed switch is also important as it will eventually get magnetized and quit working.
I would almost bet that two pieces of Iron Pyrite will make the best battery for this motor. Don't look for allot of voltage it's just the magnetic current and the effect your looking for.
The real trick here is the energy that is developed from the pumping action of the coil and then can you tap it to charge batteries or something like that, then you can do useful work.
I say it can be done.

The Electromagnetic coil, What is it? this is the way I look at it, this device is an energy pump the same way the air compressor works. The electromagnetic coil works this way because it can very the Bloch wall to full open or full closed so the energy is sucked in at 90 degrees and compressed. This energy surrounds everything in a scattered form, vectors pointing in every direction call it dark energy or the Aether, or negative energy total potential. I presented this paper to two universities in Quantum mechanics and they said they could not teach this as they would loose their funding. Back EMF what is it, it's not what everybody thinks as it really only applies to DC motors and if understood you would find that it is always lower then the applied input voltage.

The spike is the Aether it's the differential between the back EMF and the negative energy. It will burn out anything in semiconductors if let loose. So what charges the battery is the spike as it causes a high potential on the Ions and they move, the battery develops it's own currents inside to charge. Imagine a coil as a pump that we can catch things with then you must transform it to use it. The Mono Pole Motor is one way to do this with a diode and if not that a bridge with a capacitor. If you look at the Mono Pole Motor you see the windings all the same so it is an one to one transformer all the same number of turns, no high voltage winding.( The negative Energy is what gives the high voltage with the pumping)


The Magnetic Tap ( again using the Bloch Wall), you could do the same thing with a barium magnet insulating a piece of steel on both sides and it will produce magnetic current, Zinc is the Key here as it deflects the magnetic current. Two rods in the ground or two metal plates in your creak with the water passing through them will also do the same thing.

The Stubblefield coil, Your hook up if the coil was in the ground with a carbon button microphone would allow you to transmit all over your property with your wife and the kids as a telephone system never needing any power ( Free energy at it's best with ground currents supplied by the earth ) I have spent years with Peter L doing Stubblefield experiments so there is not much I have not seen or done with this system, if it's free you can't charge for it.
But the term is wrong as it does not fit with the science community, as they charge for everything even when their wrong.

LaserSaber you have done excellent work with your experiments, you have let loose a Wild Dragon and everybody should thank you as I do for proving things I have been saying for years.
John B

[John_Bedini]

Bedini GT3

Right now, my figures show...

61ohms for the Main Base Coil and
30.5ohms for the conjugate asymmetrical side coils.
This will equal the 12.2 ohm total in parallel.

The side coils are opposed pulsing a weaker south pole to create attraction, while the Main center coil is creating a huge repulsed north field when switch goes on. Very interesting non-linear arrangement to say the least. I do know there is more to learn here.
POST #20
At this point I see the half bipolar bedini/cole circuit as the switch across conjugate coils in parallel. The switch sees this as a resistive load and non-inductive when on, but yet you are able to collect the collapsing magnet reactive impulse after disengaged.

I was looking at your Adams motor arrangement. Using the concept of your half bipolar bedini/cole circuit, I made some slight adjustments. Again, I am only learning here, but I see this as a method for switching the non-linear fields. Schematic parts will of course change accordingly.

We are all very inspired to test and learn here. Thank you so much!

Jeremy Burnum

Yes I see that, Thank you is this where you got the information?

[BrentA929]

Bedini GT3

John B,

I am assuming this was for me...

Yes, that is where I got it. You mentioned 12.2 ohms and then Jeremy calculated the 3 coils from that figure. There was another post that you mentioned 12.6 which was then updated by Jeremy to reflect this new value. Obviously, these are incorrect based on your previous measurements.


Brent

Right now, my figures show...

61ohms for the Main Base Coil and
30.5ohms for the conjugate asymmetrical side coils.
This will equal the 12.2 ohm total in parallel.

The side coils are opposed pulsing a weaker south pole to create attraction, while the Main center coil is creating a huge repulsed north field when switch goes on. Very interesting non-linear arrangement to say the least. I do know there is more to learn here.
POST #20
At this point I see the half bipolar bedini/cole circuit as the switch across conjugate coils in parallel. The switch sees this as a resistive load and non-inductive when on, but yet you are able to collect the collapsing magnet reactive impulse after disengaged.

I was looking at your Adams motor arrangement. Using the concept of your half bipolar bedini/cole circuit, I made some slight adjustments. Again, I am only learning here, but I see this as a method for switching the non-linear fields. Schematic parts will of course change accordingly.

We are all very inspired to test and learn here. Thank you so much!

Jeremy Burnum

Yes I see that, Thank you is this where you got the information?

[John_Bedini]

Bedini GT3

Brent,
It looks as in talking to Chuck here as you face the machine in your drawing That my left coil is off to the left by one inch as this machine was tuned as we rotated it. Can you keep your core at 3" my core length is exactly 11 X 10 inches top flange. Side core is 5 inches in length Top Flange 10 inches.
It looks as if you have the correct space to mount the coils. Gary says the weight is 205 pounds center coil with core. The coil is filled within 1/2 inch to the outer flange. Four wires wound together but not twisted. Can you match my coil impedance in DCR and also on the side coils or get as close as you can?
John B

[BrentA929]

Bedini GT3

Brent,
It looks as in talking to Chuck here as you face the machine in your drawing That my left coil is off to the left by one inch as this machine was tuned as we rotated it. Can you keep your core at 3" my core length is exactly 11 X 10 inches top flange. Side core is 5 inches in length Top Flange 10 inches.
It looks as if you have the correct space to mount the coils. Gary says the weight is 205 pounds center coil with core. The coil is filled within 1/2 inch to the outer flange. Four wires wound together but not twisted. Can you match my coil impedance in DCR and also on the side coils or get as close as you can?
John B

John B,

The drawing does not show any offset yet...

Yes, we can make our core 3" in diameter and we can also make the center spool longer to match your 11". The side spools will remain at the 5" and we will update our drawings to reflect this. Give us an hour or so and we will post them.

My question is does the iron flaps look ok from a geometry standpoint?

Also, I will check and see how close we can get with the wire we got. We purchased (2) 84 lb. spools of #15 and (1) 48 lb. spool of #18.


Thanks, Brent