Bedini Ferris Wheel Regauging Motor

[kcarring]

I hope that this is not too off topic. I've read the thread over and over, and I am just completing my first SSG, so I'm a newcomer. Here's my question. Firstly, I'm amazed with the low current input. I've listened to Tom and John speak over and over. I don't have a problem conceptualizing how the Bedini motor accomplishes work. What I don't understand is the scaling. Here we have a very large machine, very low current input. Very low RPM. So, what is the qualifying aspect of the increased magnitude. It would seem to me, one could not (even if possible) feed the battery bank with radiant spikes of an amplitude higher than what might do damage to those batteries (maybe I'm wrong there...) ... and if current and frequency are not real players... how does this "size matter"... what creates the "volume" of negative electricity. Does the duration of the peak stretch out... higher amplitude?... larger fields ... what makes this so powerful. Sorry for my ignorance. It's just very amazing. Thank you for sharing this with the world John B., and thank-you for great customer service at r-charge, too.

[FRC]

Same concerns

I hope that this is not too off topic. I've read the thread over and over, and I am just completing my first SSG, so I'm a newcomer. Here's my question. Firstly, I'm amazed with the low current input. I've listened to Tom and John speak over and over. I don't have a problem conceptualizing how the Bedini motor accomplishes work. What I don't understand is the scaling. Here we have a very large machine, very low current input. Very low RPM. So, what is the qualifying aspect of the increased magnitude. It would seem to me, one could not (even if possible) feed the battery bank with radiant spikes of an amplitude higher than what might do damage to those batteries (maybe I'm wrong there...) ... and if current and frequency are not real players... how does this "size matter"... what creates the "volume" of negative electricity. Does the duration of the peak stretch out... higher amplitude?... larger fields ... what makes this so powerful. Sorry for my ignorance. It's just very amazing. Thank you for sharing this with the world John B., and thank-you for great customer service at r-charge, too.

I share the same questions or concerns that Kyle has put forth. And also
as well, "Thank you for sharing this with the world John B., and thank-you for great customer service at r-charge, too."

George

[John_Bedini]

Bedini GT3

Kcarring, FRC

I thought I would answer some questions,

First Welcome.

The reason for the low current is allow for the highest possible Radiant Energy that is found in all space that surrounds you, some call it, Radiant, negative energy, special charges and so on, but it's all the same thing. This energy is scattered vectors pointing everywhere thought-out space.

To gather this energy you must build a pump for it. The Coils seem to fit the bill here as you can pump them. It does not take allot of power to do this just potential charge. Most batteries developed currents inside them, The first effect of this is the potentializing of the ions this causes the Ions to move the other direction as it does not take current to do this, just potential (Voltage). The Bedini GT3 machine is much different as the energy is stored in a capacitor to be discharged when the voltage is at max potential ( this is real current in amperes) to the second battery bank.

The machine does not use allot of current to do this as it is triggered out of the coil that drives the rotation of the wheel. The wheel must just rotate to cause the switching to gather this energy. The original SG machine is self triggered and is a fixed timing so that you can see the effect of Negative energy in the spike, that is then directed to the secondary battery to perform charging with impulse spikes, the power is in the spike to move the Ions in the battery.

The spike is self adjusting to the battery being used as the rotor changes speed to adjust for the battery. This is known as time charging. The SG can be looked at as a self rotating Magneto Energizer, high voltage output. Some of the effects of this is desulphation of bad batteries as it will bring them back to life if the battery is not shorted. You could look at this like a window that is covered with dirt, not a good view. The process cleans the window, now Ions can move in charge mode as the battery develops it's own current inside to charge. "Hope This Helps"

John B

[minoly]

Stubblefield Ironless Motor

John that motor is cool! we have two of those "batteries" sitting in our living room. they dried up long ago and still put out 1.12 volts each. we put them together last summer. Thanks for sharing so much, can't wait for the air cell.

[John_K]

Air Battery Powering Monopole Charging Battery

Check this out:

YouTube - Air Battery Powering Monopole Charging Battery

John B, this is awesome! Great work.


John K.

[kcarring]

Thanks for the welcome John. I wish I had attended the event.I remembered hearing about you long ago in the 80's, and it's great to see you are continuing on despite whatever BS you've endured, lot's I'm sure.

A friend reminded me, by inviting me over for a video one night, you and Tom B. talking... very fascinating and although it's bit complex, it certainly does make sense. It's not like the universe runs on hidden batteries we can't see, obviously there must be energy of some sort all around us.

You said

Kcarring, FRC"The Bedini GT3 machine is much different as the energy is stored in a capacitor to be discharged when the voltage is at max potential"

I think I overlooked that potential, thanks. I wonder if you must have had to put a load on that unit just to keep up with the energy it produced, it didn't look like you actually had that many cells in your charging bank (at the show) - although i am just guessing here.

If radiant energy can produce light, charge capacitors, turn motors, what else can it do on a huge scale? Maintain momentum? Massively huge momentum? How does this scale to the degree of enormous. Would it be done on earth, in space... what's the Star Trek potential in all this.

Sorry if I sound ridiculous but you know what, I don't think I do. This is a pretty huge thing we're talking about if it's nearly infinitely available...anywhere...

[FRC]

Check this out:

YouTube - Air Battery Powering Monopole Charging Battery

John B, this is awesome! Great work.


John K.

John B. did it ! This was the breakthrough I was referring to when I called him
the "Master" in a previous post. Quite impressive, and thanks for the reply to
kcaring and I. You almost always seem to throw in some little bit of extra information, in your posts, that are astounding, as in this last post to us.

Thanks Again

George

[everyidea]

It would have been nice if Rick had given props to LaserSaber in the video and/or video description. Hopefully he'll get a cut when these are offered as a kit from r-charge/Rick.

Check this out:

YouTube - Air Battery Powering Monopole Charging Battery

John B, this is awesome! Great work.


John K.

[minoly]

John that motor is cool! we have two of those "batteries" sitting in our living room. they dried up long ago and still put out 1.12 volts each. we put them together last summer. Thanks for sharing so much, can't wait for the air cell.

everyidea,
John B. give's LS credit in the Video @ about the 22 second mark
YouTube - Stubblefield Ironless motor
we show one of our 7 month old LS bat's running this "window motor"
YouTube - min2oly's Channel

[John_Bedini]

Bedini GT3

EveryiIdea, I do not control Rick, he just happened to film what I was experimenting with he did not know anything at that point as I said nothing. But now that you bring this up. Yes I will do that but I must test everything out before as I said in a couple posts back.

This is not new it's just different. I also said how he should run that motor Ironless. Now I will show you a motor that he has nothing to do with. YouTube - Energenx's Channel

My pages on stubblefield have been quoted many times no one gave me credit for it. Go back and listen to my channel. I did say I was checking out His battery on the Energenx channel. No matter how you look at it, it's a Monopole Motor as you find no north and south poles switching on the rotor here. I did want to talk to him as I was going to share some better things with him but he does not have time to discuss any engineering or data with me.
The Iron coils belongs to Edward Leedskalnin, I also said Hendershot had that motor too. I also pointed out that the motor standing vertical was done by me in the 70's and 80's, it's called the Zero force motor. I just wanted to show how to recapture the energy in the system and what burns the reed out. Also look at this is charging another battery from what is being wasted in the circuit, is HE doing that. I have given on the groups lab notes for years and people have used them, so what.

I will give credit to Stubblefield, Edward Leedskalnin and Lasersaber at the right time, and what about Lidmotor he deserves it also and anybody working on these machines. Let's see who comes back and gives me credit for the Iron pyrite battery as That was what I was going to show next. I said the potential was everywhere who gets credit for that.

I can't get into the stubblefield coil here with you unless it's private, but he has not figured out where the electromagnetic effect is coming from, has he. Most people discussing this technology just take an idea and usually change it the way they want and call it there own, don't they,if you look on my pages you will find out where that motor comes from as I said, here is the first DC pulse motor (Stubblefield). I even pointed out Tesla in the picture and now I find that picture everywhere, I know because of the arrow pointing at him, I have said nothing to anybody about it, I did not even ask them to take it down. I will give credit at the right time and not before I test everything out, You can bet on that.
Have a nice day, I'm out of here.

And Rick did say he would give him a percentage on that, when I was talking to him this morning, but do not look to make a big "Fortune" on this.
John B

[everyidea]

John,

My post was directed at Rick and his quickness to take a product to market without having an apparent nod to LS. It took me aback a little.

I know you give credit where credit is due, that is one thing I admire about you, you let people know where ideas come from and how you can change them for other concepts. Hopefully, others will do the same when they use your tech. I know I give credit when ever possible, just like you and many others here.

It's all fun and games until money comes into play. Rick took this to the next level by taking it to market, it's good to hear he'll give a nod to LS.

This forum is for sharing and developing tools for making a better world. I think we all can agree that if the tools created here are taken to market, then those who played a critical role in their development should be compensated, even if it's a small taste. This process will make people more open to share their ideas and not be so worried about someone going to market with their concepts. If a product from these forums is mass produced without this "known agreement" then it might kill all future sharing of ideas in fear of them being taken to market without any type of nod to the people who came up with it.

Maybe it's time to set up a Community Product Development Agreement so when someone mass produces a tool that was created/improved in the forums then the critical players involved will be compensated in some way. This way we don't have to worry about patents/fees/lawyers/lawsuits and it opens up for more open sharing the "secrets" that seem to be within all of these things. This agreement may even foster more work and sharing due to people wanting to be a critical player in its development.

rw

[kcarring]

John B:

Re-reading my post a few ago, it sounds a bit far fetched, but what i was getting at, is.. do you see radiant energy as potential (future) direct source for storage for flywheel momentum/inertia systems/storage.

Thanks for all your input and help. I'm having fun building my first kit today, the SSG. Trying to stick as close as I can to what Rick has demonstrated. Should be quite useful, this technology, for me personally as I am a dealer in solar panels and run 1300 watts myself.

Cheers

[FRC]

Lidmotor

I am glad that John gave Lidmotor some recognition, he deserves it ! And of course, John deserves a lot of recognition, Maybe a lot of the information is out there, but to be able to bring it all together. and assemble it, is pure genius !

FRC

[Rl2003]

Very cool stuff John, It gives me so many idea's I don't want to go to right now.
I did talk to a corrosion expert yesterday and there is electrolsis going on in a
iron and copper wound coil or air battery. He also said you maybe able to do
this without mosture and so the coils would last longer.

Has anyone read Larry Springs theories and experments on the electromagnetic fields.
I don't mean to start anything but found most of his
writings from a private collection.
He has alot to say about Magnetism and Iron. Sounds a whole alot like ED.L's
papers.

Mark

[genessc]

iron pyrite and magnesium. I'll give JB credit with that one. I had watched the lasersaber vids a good while back and he did some great work getting the device to work as it was noted it should. (finding the flaws in the patent and showing them in the vid JB linked to on this thread.)

Bruce Perrault had a stone for sale that looked like iron Pyrite that had low sub-ohm properties, except that that stone was silver looking instead of the slight gold color normal to iron pyrite (aka fools gold) so perhaps the pyrite being used has some particular inclusions of elements that makes it more usable than another specimen.

I don't have iron pyrite on hand... but would like to order some in the proper format... does it need to be a grown crystal or can it be machined into some rod shape for ease of use in putting in water or sticking into a tree? I have magnesium on hand already from some fire starter kits I had ordered a year or two back.

Water is interesting as it has capacity. And volume. perhaps both are directly related to each other. Putting two different pieces of matter in water that is local only to the two pieces of matter immersed in it perhaps acts like creating a local enmeshed field interaction area that is the volume of water in the shape of the container it is in. (I guess thats all a battery is, tho acid is used to provide imbalance and allow for the stretched tension of charge to exist by pushing current into the battery to "charge" it.)

You know with some of the HV experiments I've run, I could get an NE2 lamp to light between two capfuls of water, with one leg in one and the other leg in the other. no other connections made and it just had to be next to the device when running. Its also been noted on the ERR details that water is a collector of thz radiation... that it in effect blocks it... hmmm

Good stuff John.

Take care guys,
Gene

P.S. I've no desire to hoard knowledge and make people pay for what I worked to learn. (so long as people actually want to learn and not bicker about what they think they know.) I'm fairly sure that John shares this mentality. Nit-picking over credit is sorta silly... (mostly cuz it always come as a result of seeking to profit, rightly or wrongly, from whomever did the work) The reality is this information is not ownable. Its knowledge, the only claim to ownership comes from understanding the information available, which understanding turns information into knowledge. Its all been done under the sun... names are only a placemarker in the current river of time for those who made efforts in a similar vein. Its good to give credit where its do, but doing so properly would take geneology of all the lost names that contributed to every aspect of whats been cohered as the knowledge of radiant energy. "whats in a name, a rose by any other name would still smell as sweet."