Bedini Ferris Wheel Regauging Motor

[BrentA929]

Bedini GT3

John B,

Were you able to determine what is going on with the neon lights?

Also, I think we are close on the circuits. Can you recommend a good op-amp device!


Many thanks, Brent

[wheatbelt.radio]

Greetings All,

ive made almost 20 ssg type machines too play with the geometry, the more exciting potential ideas i try, the closer i realize JohnB is on the vacuum series with seemingly somewhat arbitrary figures...

but after 2 years tinkering, i came across something ive never seen before, and i have no idea whats happening or why, dont get too excited though because sadly its a problem,

the motor is running, but producing no backemf, w-t-f.. im running on the usual 12.4v +\- input , and draining 400ma over a trifilar coil (2 drive, one trigger)

usually when this happens it means the neon died, but i stuck my finger over the transistors and they are no longer making me involuntarily jump

17 gauge wire and 22 for the trigger,

the ideal coil geometry ive experimentally found too be is 9-10cms long, 7.5cm wide, with interior core diameter too small for my thumb too squeeze into, yet big enough for my middle finger with some wigglin space

1am now, il pickup some new trannys tomorrow and post how it goes

[wheatbelt.radio]

and a wisker under 700grams of wire per drive coil, so 1.4kg of driver per coil

[wheatbelt.radio]

found some tip31's ....

current ones were irf 460's

same problem

motor runs, so coil in operation, yet no measureable backemf,

......

this happened all of a sudden which i why i assumed it was a partial transistor failure, 2x at the same moment, unlikley,... but still..

now i have too do some fault finding with the remaining components,... a battery and a coil of wire, ... diode perhaps even, will find out tomorrow,

hopfully find out, but its totally wack, 400ma of juice and no emf significant enough too bite me or lite neons

[wheatbelt.radio]

ok sorry about the forum spamming, but there is a valuable lesson too be learnt,

DONT BUY EBAY TRANSISTORS, unless you can be sure they are no ripoffs,

... these things have a very strange way too fail, but the weirdest part is the continuity of failure

anyway i ripped a few old 2n3055s from another machine and they always work with every motor or indeed anything ive ever built, they are a great lifeblood too have stashed away

[BrentA929]

Bedini GT3 "Junior" Update

Hey Guys,

Been busy working on our build since being back from the July 2011 conference...

Most of our focus has been on getting the circuitry put together and with JB letting us see behind the proverbial curtain at the conference, we feel like we are headed in the right direction. BUT...we still have lots of questions.

Bedini/Cole circuit - we are experiencing extreme HEAT in our circuit (+200 degrees). We just upgraded our resistors to 5W and it is still getting HOT!!! Is it the size of our coils? Is it a tuning issue? What are we doing wrong? We don't have any neons on our transistors on our latest board, but I can bet that they would light up.

Comparator circuit - got the circuit done, but is anyone else feel like this is totally new to those of us that have been following the thread from the beginning. What happened to one black wire in and one black wire out? Scott and I asked JB at the conference and it is still not clear. When y'all get the comparator circuit working, you'll see what I'm saying.


@John B,

Our coils are identical to yours as we have tried to replicate our build as close to yours as possible. Can you give us some advice, since there is no one else that has coils this size!

@Erik N,

After spending a couple of weeks working with JB side by side on getting your build working, are there any suggestions you can make for those of us that are working on the BFW? Do you think you could have done it without his help? Starting to wonder if we need to take a road trip! Ha!

Take a look at our most recent video...

Bedini 3GT - Post Conference Update


Thanks, Brent

[txaggie00]

Schematic help?

@JB,

Like Brent said, we have been diligently working on the circuits you so kindly showed everyone at this past conference and we feel like we are getting close to some really good results. If we were to directly send you our current schematics, is there anyway you could look them over and possibly give us some pointers that may help us? Obviously I am not asking you to give us your schematic or even spell it out for us, but maybe just giving us some advice that will help us think it out on our own? Also, after the conference, we began to get concerned that our coils are too close and we may be overlapping fields too much. Should we be concerned about that? We talked about moving the two side coils out another magnet. What are your thoughts?

Also, we realize the goal here is to get the free energy out from this system. In a previous post, you mentioned a pancake coil generator. Is there anyway you can expand on that? Initially, the thought was to get a correct gear ratio to turn a generator because of the torque this machine produces, but we'd love to know if there was a more efficient way to do this.

Thanks again for everything at the conference!

I thoroughly enjoyed meeting a lot of the people from this thread at the conference. It's always nice to meet the person behind the screen name! John K., sorry we didn't get a chance to say goodbye, but you were pretty busy with everyone at the 30 coiler and we didn't want to interrupt.

Hope everyone is doing well!

-Scott

[John_Bedini]

bedini GT3

Hey Guys,

Been busy working on our build since being back from the July 2011 conference...

Most of our focus has been on getting the circuitry put together and with JB letting us see behind the proverbial curtain at the conference, we feel like we are headed in the right direction. BUT...we still have lots of questions.

Bedini/Cole circuit - we are experiencing extreme HEAT in our circuit (+200 degrees). We just upgraded our resistors to 5W and it is still getting HOT!!! Is it the size of our coils? Is it a tuning issue? What are we doing wrong? We don't have any neons on our transistors on our latest board, but I can bet that they would light up.

Comparator circuit - got the circuit done, but is anyone else feel like this is totally new to those of us that have been following the thread from the beginning. What happened to one black wire in and one black wire out? Scott and I asked JB at the conference and it is still not clear. When y'all get the comparator circuit working, you'll see what I'm saying.


@John B,

Our coils are identical to yours as we have tried to replicate our build as close to yours as possible. Can you give us some advice, since there is no one else that has coils this size!

@Erik N,

After spending a couple of weeks working with JB side by side on getting your build working, are there any suggestions you can make for those of us that are working on the BFW? Do you think you could have done it without his help? Starting to wonder if we need to take a road trip! Ha!

Take a look at our most recent video...

Bedini 3GT - Post Conference Update


Thanks, Brent

Take a picture of the motor circuit and post it here, be back to check on what I see. Sounds like no heat sink. Guess I must do a short video. As I explained the black wire was the negative to the charging battery.
Positive is right to the cap. Lets see the comparator circuit.I have no fear with you Brent but....... I can not post the circuit as it belongs to Energenx.

Look at a solid state DC switch timed with a magnetic wheel and a hall would work fine you have room on the back side of the timing wheel. three magnets is all you need.

Again,
I can not give the circuits as it belongs to energenx. I did allow everbody to view it and take pictures I also explained it. You must work on the motor drive first and get it working without heat on the devices.

I will go look at the youtube. I have a list of people that want the circuits I will be sending e-mails to. I'm not China so I can't do anything cheap my people do not work for rice. Be back.

JB

[John_Bedini]

Bedini GT3

Brent,
You can not run the motor circuit that way, you have no heat sink at all in that video. Get the insulators and thermal grease for those devices on a sink. Just bend them over and sink them down use 4-40 screws.
John B

[John_K]

Hey Scott and Brent,

It was great to finally meet you guys. Sorry I didn't get more time to chat, it was a crazy 3 days but I had a blast.


John K.

@JB,

Like Brent said, we have been diligently working on the circuits you so kindly showed everyone at this past conference and we feel like we are getting close to some really good results. If we were to directly send you our current schematics, is there anyway you could look them over and possibly give us some pointers that may help us? Obviously I am not asking you to give us your schematic or even spell it out for us, but maybe just giving us some advice that will help us think it out on our own? Also, after the conference, we began to get concerned that our coils are too close and we may be overlapping fields too much. Should we be concerned about that? We talked about moving the two side coils out another magnet. What are your thoughts?

Also, we realize the goal here is to get the free energy out from this system. In a previous post, you mentioned a pancake coil generator. Is there anyway you can expand on that? Initially, the thought was to get a correct gear ratio to turn a generator because of the torque this machine produces, but we'd love to know if there was a more efficient way to do this.

Thanks again for everything at the conference!

I thoroughly enjoyed meeting a lot of the people from this thread at the conference. It's always nice to meet the person behind the screen name! John K., sorry we didn't get a chance to say goodbye, but you were pretty busy with everyone at the 30 coiler and we didn't want to interrupt.

Hope everyone is doing well!

-Scott

[txaggie00]

@John B,

Brent is taking a picture of the circuits and will post shortly. I had a quick question for you. You said to get the motor drive working first without any heat on the devices. Our transisitors are not getting hot, but our resistors are. Specifically the 220 ohm resistor even at 5W. What would your suggestion be to keep those cooler?

Thanks,
Scott

Again,
I can not give the circuits as it belongs to energenx. I did allow everbody to view it and take pictures I also explained it. You must work on the motor drive first and get it working without heat on the devices.

[BrentA929]

Bedini GT3 motor circuit

John B,

Please see attached picture...

I wasn't real clear on what was getting HOT!!! It's the resistors that are the culprit of the heat. In the picture I am showing you how we are planing on mounting the devices and I realize that those need a heat sink. The video may have been a little premature, but the transistors are not the problem, it's the resistors. Also, keep in mind that the picture shows 1W resistors and the current circuit we are working on has 5W resistors.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated!


Many thanks, Brent

Take a picture of the motor circuit and post it here, be back to check on what I see. Sounds like no heat sink. Guess I must do a short video. As I explained the black wire was the negative to the charging battery.
Positive is right to the cap. Lets see the comparator circuit.I have no fear with you Brent but....... I can not post the circuit as it belongs to Energenx.

Look at a solid state DC switch timed with a magnetic wheel and a hall would work fine you have room on the back side of the timing wheel. three magnets is all you need.

Again,
I can not give the circuits as it belongs to energenx. I did allow everbody to view it and take pictures I also explained it. You must work on the motor drive first and get it working without heat on the devices.

I will go look at the youtube. I have a list of people that want the circuits I will be sending e-mails to. I'm not China so I can't do anything cheap my people do not work for rice. Be back.

JB

[John_Bedini]

Bedini GT3 Motor Drive

Brent,
The resistors,
Yes they do get warm.
If you looked at my board.
I used metal oxide 2 watt resistors (Mouser elec)
2.2 K is a carbon comp resistor 1/2 watt.
5 watt 15 v zener on the hall and a 680 ohm resistor 2 watt.
Space the resistors off the board for air flow.

Take 12 Volt 65 watt quartz light and put it in place of the coil, can you light it up or is just dim?
Circuit box PDF look's much better that should all work as it looks. do that test please with the motor drive.
I might change that capacitor for the best charging. maybe 10.000 uf 75 volts
John B

[hherby]

@John B,

Brent is taking a picture of the circuits and will post shortly. I had a quick question for you. You said to get the motor drive working first without any heat on the devices. Our transisitors are not getting hot, but our resistors are. Specifically the 220 ohm resistor even at 5W. What would your suggestion be to keep those cooler?

Thanks,
Scott

Scott,
It was nice meeting you guys at the convention.
I assume you are running above 12v so you may want to try 3.3k in place of 470 and 2.7k in place of 220. I had the same problem on my window motor when running at higher voltages.

Alex

[BrentA929]

Quartz light test

John B,

Thanks for your guidance!

We have most of what you have listed. The carbon comp resistors should be in today and we originally had 1W vs. the 2W that you are recommending. Of course we put on 5W yesterday with not much change.

One thing that I want to be real clear on...4 ft. wagon wheel (12V) vs. 12 ft. BFW (36V)...

Are these values on the components compatible with both builds?

Brent,
The resistors,
Yes they do get warm.
If you looked at my board.
I used metal oxide 2 watt resistors (Mouser elec)
2.2 K is a carbon comp resistor 1/2 watt.
5 watt 15 v zener on the hall and a 680 ohm resistor 2 watt.
Space the resistors off the board for air flow.

OK, we will try the test...do we do this on our 6 ft. 36V build that is getting HOT or do we need to do it on a 12V system? Eager to try this! Thanks!


Brent

Take 12 Volt 65 watt quartz light and put it in place of the coil, can you light it up or is just dim?
Circuit box PDF look's much better that should all work as it looks. do that test please with the motor drive.
I might change that capacitor for the best charging. maybe 10.000 uf 75 volts
John B